Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Jakerson

I do not understand why these (Voronezh, Rostov, Sevastopol and Voroshilovgrad) are scored objectives that give Soviet side points per turn? I have played operation blue 5 times now as Soviet (against human German) and 4 games out 5 all of these objectives fall at turn 1 before Soviet have zero chance get any points from them as they are fallen before Soviet get first chance to move units.

If German player knows his optimized turn 1 moves on Operation Blue Scenario and how to take all these targets at first turn he can win operation blue by not even trying to take Stalingrad, Baku or any other objective that was their objective historically just by clearing Soviet pockets created first turn and avoiding big losses after that. It is bit boring to play when result of operation blue scenario is decided at turn 1 moves even before Soviet side get chance to make their first moves. Just my five cents.

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ORIGINAL: el hefe

Are you sure about this? According to my calculations of the VPs, if the Germans only secured those four victory objectives that you listed on the first turn, they would be overwhelmingly defeated by the Soviets in VPs as broken down here:

German VPs:
Voronezh: 50 (EG)
Rostov: 50 (EG)
Sevastapol: 100 (EG)
Voroshilovgrad: 50 (EG)
Total Axis VPs: 250 (EG)

Soviet VPs:
Baku: 200
Boguchar: 200 (EG) + 325 (ET Cumulative)
Grozny: 150
Maikop: 150
Krasnodar: 100 + 210 (ET Cumulative)
Stalingrad: 100 + 210 (ET Cumulative)
Total Soviet VPs: 1645

Note that the VPs are not the same for both sides. I played two games as the Germans vs the AI and captured all of the northern objectives through Stalingrad but wasnt able to capture Baku and Grozny and secured an Axis minor victory. The Germans just about have to grab all VPs to include Baku in order to achieve a major victory.

Trey

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ORIGINAL: Jakerson

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ORIGINAL: el hefe

Are you sure about this? According to my calculations of the VPs, if the Germans only secured those four victory objectives that you listed on the first turn, they would be overwhelmingly defeated by the Soviets in VPs as broken down here:

German VPs:
Voronezh: 50 (EG)
Rostov: 50 (EG)
Sevastapol: 100 (EG)
Voroshilovgrad: 50 (EG)
Total Axis VPs: 250 (EG)

Soviet VPs:
Baku: 200
Boguchar: 200 (EG) + 325 (ET Cumulative)
Grozny: 150
Maikop: 150
Krasnodar: 100 + 210 (ET Cumulative)
Stalingrad: 100 + 210 (ET Cumulative)
Total Soviet VPs: 1645

Note that the VPs are not the same for both sides. I played two games as the Germans vs the AI and captured all of the northern objectives through Stalingrad but wasnt able to capture Baku and Grozny and secured an Axis minor victory. The Germans just about have to grab all VPs to include Baku in order to achieve a major victory.

Trey

Boguchar has always fallen at turn 2 so I don’t understand why you count full points from it every game I have played so Soviet side only get 1 turn ET points from it. No matter even if you put full stack there it falls at turn 2 since they have no time to fortify. At turn 1 it is no possible Soviet side to send strong defenses at Boguchar to make it last longer than 1 turn all troops are trapped after German turn one moves. Troops on the behind are mostly inactive with 0 movement points and no reinforcement coming before German attack there at turn 2.

After that Germany can take more points decimating whole Bryansk front by sending majority of German mobile troops against it instead of going against Stalingrad and Baku. Germany doing right turn one moves along with taking all these objectives can Trap Bryansk front in the way that it cannot be saved from isolation done with majority of German mobile troops at turn 2. These moves give rest points German need to victory.

With this tactics score is about 1600 German side and 600 Soviet side at turn 3 after that German shift to defense without overextending his troops just fortifying he can easily hang against any soviet counter attacks. Soviet side gets 420 ET points from Stalingrad and Krasnodar. Game end 1600+ for German and 1000 score for Soviet.