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German Divisional TO&Es - 8/15/2012 9:17:22 AM

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German Security Division (Typical, based on 201st Security XX)

DCCB Organisation

Security Regiment x 3: 2500 Security Infantry, 5 x 75mm LeIG

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Actual Security Division Organisation: 2 x Infantry Regiments (one of 3 x Infantry Battalions (each of 3 x Infantry Coy, 1 Heavy Weapons Coy); other of 3 Infantry Battalions each of 4 Infantry Companies, 1 x Motorized AT Coy, 1 Infantry Gun Coy, 1 x Russian Cavalry Coy, 1 Artillery Battalion (12 x 105mm lFK Infantry Guns))

Suggested DCCB Organisation ...

1) 2 Infantry Regiments, incorporating the Artillery

2) Security Infantry Regiment x 2: 2200 Security Infantry, 5 x 37mm ATG, 5 x 105mm leFK Infantry Guns.

Much weaker than the ones in the vanilla game, which are far too strong in Infantry, in that they have only 2 Regiments, but these ones have more (and bigger caliber) Infantry Guns and some AT Guns that the vanilla ones don't. There are also more Security Divisions in the OOB (thread elsewhere) than the three that are at start in vanilla DCCB.

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/15/2012 9:34:25 AM

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Jaeger Division (to 15 October 1942) - 5th JD, 8th JD, 28th JD, 97th JD, 100th JD, 101st JD*

DCCB Organisation

1st Jaeger Regiment: 2500 Infantry, 5 x 37mm AT, 5 x 75mm AT
2nd Jager Regiment: 2500 Infantry, 5 x 37mm AT, 5 x 50mm AT
3rd Jager Artillery Regiment: 400 Infantry, 20 x 105mm LeFH, 5 x 150mm SFH, 10 x 20mm Flak

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Actual Jaeger Division Organisation: 1 x Infantry Regiment (3 x Battalions (5 Infantry Companies, 1 Motorised Support Section, 1 Motorized AT Coy); 1 Bicycle Battalion (2 Bicycle Companies, 1 Motorized Support Coy), 1 Panzerjager Battalion (2 Motorised AT Coy), Pioneer Battalion (1 Motorized Engineer Coy, 2 Engineer Coy), 1 Feldersatz Battalion (3 Infantry Companies, no heavy weapons), 1 Artillery Regiment (3 Battalion 105mm Mountain Guns (2 @ reduced strength), 1 Battalion 150mm Howitzers)\

Suggested DCCB Organisation ...

1) 3 Regiments, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery ...

2) Jaeger Infantry Regiment x 2: 2000 Infantry, 250 Engineers, 5 x 75mm Infantry Guns, 10 x 50mm ATG, 35 x 37mm AT, 50 Trucks

3) Jaeger Artillery Regiment: 500 2nd Rate Infantry, 30 x 105mm Mountain Guns, 10 x 150mm sFH Howitzer, 50 Trucks

* Don't know, offhand, how many were on the Eastern Front, and, of those, how many were with AGS.

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/15/2012 9:59:33 AM

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Mountain Division (to 15 October 1942) - 7 in all (1st-7th)*

DCCB Organisation

Mountain Infantry Regiments x 2: 2600 Infantry, 10 x 37mm AT, 5 x 75mm AT, 10 x 75mm LeIG
Mountain Artillery Regiment: 1000 Infantry, 30 x 105mm LeFH, 10 xx 20mm AA

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Actual Mountain Infantry Division Organisation: 2 x Mountain Infantry Regiments (each with 3 Battalions (each with 3 Infantry Coy, 1 Heavy Weapons Coy, 1 Support Coy), 1 Panzerjager Company (Mot), Bicycle Battalion (2 Bicycle Coy, 1 Motorcycle Coy, 1 Support Coy (Mot)), Panzerjager Battalion (2 AT Coy (Mot)), Feldersatz Battalion (3 x Coy, no Heavy Weapons), Pioneer Battalion (1 Pioneer Coy (Mot), 2 Pioneer Coy (Mountain)), (Artillery Regiment (6 Batteries 105mm Mountain Guns, 3 Batteries 105mm Mountain Howitzers, 3 Batteries 150mm sFH guns).

Suggested organisation for DCCB ...

1) 2 Mountain Regiments, 1 Artillery Regiment

2) Mountain Infantry Regiment x 2: 2400 Infantry, 200 Engineers, 21 Mortars, 9 AT Rifles, 25 x 75mm Infantry Guns, 10 x 37mm ATG, 5 x 50mm ATG, 50 Trucks)

3) Mountain Artillery Regiment: 200 2nd rate Infantry, 25 x 105mm Mountain Guns, 10 x 105mm Mountain Howitzers, 10 x 150mm Howitzer, 25 Trucks.

* Dunno how many on the Eastern Front, nor how many of those in AGS.

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/15/2012 2:44:01 PM

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Motorised Division (to 15 October 1942)

DCCB Organisation

1st Motorised Infantry Regiment: 1600 Infantry, 10 x 37mm AT, 10 x 50mm AT, 10 x 150mm SiG 33, 10 x 20mm AA, 250 Trucks

2nd Motorised Infantry Regiment: 1600 Infantry, 10 x 37mm AT, 5 x 50mm AT, 5 x 75mm AT, 5 x 150mm SiG 33, 250 Trucks

3rd Panzer Battalion: 25 x Pz IIIh, 20 x Pz IIIj, 10 x Px IVf

4th Artillery Regiment: 350 Infantry, 20 x 105mm LeFH, 5 x 150mm SFH, 10 x 20mm AA, 5 x 88mm AA, 150 Trucks

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Actual Motorised Division Organisation: 2 x Motorised Infantry Regiments (3 x Motorised Infantry Battalions (each of 3 Motorised Infantry Companies, 1 Motorised Heavy Weapons Company), Motorised Infantry Support Company), 1 x Panzerjager Battalion, 1 x Panzer Battalion (1 x Medium Pz Coy, 2 x Lt Pz Coy), 1 x Motorcycle Infantry Battalion, 1 Motorised Artillery Regiment (2 x Light Battalions (6 Batteries 105mm Howitzer), 1 Heavy Battalion (1 Battery 100mm Guns, 2 Batteries 150mm Howitzer), 1 Motorised Flak Battalion (1 Battery 75mm AA, 2 Batteries 88mm/20mm AA), 1 Motorised Pioneer Battalion (3 x Pioneer Companies).

Suggested DCCB Organisation:

1) Motorised Infantry Regiment x 2: 2600 Infantry, 10 x 28mm ATR, 10 x 37mm AT, 9 x 50mm SPAT, 5 x 50mm AT, 5 x 75mm LeIG, 5 x 150mm SIG, 10 x SdKfz 222 Armoured Car, 10 x SdKfz 223 Armoured Car, 250 Trucks

2) Panzer Battalion: 10 x Pz II, 35 x Pz III (may be 37mm or 50mm), 15 x Pz IV

3) Artillery Regiment: 200 2nd Rate Infantry, 25 x 105mm LeFH, 5 x 100mm K18 guns, 10 x 150mm sFH, 150 Trucks

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/16/2012 5:10:41 AM

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Slovak Schnelle (Fast) Division (November 1942)

DCCB Organisation

1st Schnelle Regiment: 1800 Infanrtry, 10 x 37mm AT, 10 x 20mm AA, 20 Px 38t, 300 Trucks

2nd Schnelle Regiment: 1800 Infanrtry, 5 x 75mm AT, 10 x 37mm AT, 10 x 20mm AA, 20 Px 38t, 300 Trucks

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Actual Schnelle Division Organisation: 1 x Lt. Armour Platoon, 1 x Infantry Regiment (Mot) (2 x Infantry Battalions (Mot) of 3 Infantry Companies (Mot), 1 Heavy Weapons Coy (Mot) each; 1 x Infantry Gun Coy (Mot), 1 x AT Company (Mot)), 1 Recon Battalion (Mot) (3 x Bicycle Infantry Coy, 1 x Heavy Weapons Coy, 1 x Support Coy), 1 x AT Coy (Mot), 1 x Infantry Gun Section (Mot), 2 x AA Coy (1 x 88mm, 1 x 20mm), 1 x Artillery Regiment (Mot) (5 x 105mm Howitzer Batteries, 1 x 100mm K8 Gun Battery) ... not listed for Nov 42, but present in 1941 ... 1 Panzer Battalion (2 x Tank Coy, 1 x AT Coy (Mot)).

Suggested DCCB Organisation ...

1) 3 Regiments, 1 Infantry, 1 x Tank, 1 Artillery

2) Schnelle Infantry Regiment: 2000 Infantry, 10 x 81mm Mortars, 5 x 150mm Infantry Guns, 20 x 50mm AT, 5 x 88mm AA, 10 x 20mm AA, 300 Trucks

3) Schnelle Panzer Regiment: 10 x Pz II, 40 x Pz 38t

4) Schnelle Artillery Regiment: 200 2nd Rate Infantry, 20 x 105mm LeIG, 5 x 100mm K8 Gun, 150 Trucks

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/16/2012 8:43:05 AM

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SS Motorised Divisions (to October 1942)

DCCB Organisation

LAH Division

1st Motorised Infantry Regiment: 1800 SS Infantry, 150 Trucks (SS), 120 SS Halftrack, 10 37mm AT (SS), 10 50mm AT (SS), 10 Lt AA (20mm), 5 150mm SIG 33 (SS), 5 x Marder II SPAT (SS)

2nd Motorised Infantry Regiment: 1800 SS Infantry, 150 Trucks (SS), 120 SS Halftrack, 10 37mm AT (SS), 10 75mm AT (SS), 10 Lt AA (20mm), 5 x 150mm SIG 33 (SS), 5 x Marder II SPAT (SS)

3rd Panzer Regiment: 30 x Pz IIIj (SS), 10 x Pz IIIh (SS), 5 x Pz IVf (SS), 5 x Pz IVg (SS), 5x StuG IIIf (SS)

4th Artillery Regiment: 400 Infantry (SS), 20 x 105mm LeFH (SS), 10 x 150mm SFH (SS), 10 x 20mm AA, 10 x 88mm AA, 150 Trucks (SS)

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Actual LAH Organisation: 2 x SS Infantry Regiments (Mot) (each with 3 x Infantry Battalions (Mot) (each with 3 x Infantry Companies, 1 Support Company), 1 x Support Company, 1 x SPAA Coy, 1 x SPAT Coy), StuG Battalion (25 StuG III), 1 x Panzer Battalion (1 x Medium Pz Company, 2 x Lt Panzer Coy), 1 x SS Infantry Regiment (Mot) (1 x Infantry Battalions (Mot) (2 x Mot Infantry Coy, 1 x Mech Inf Coy, 1 x Lt Armoured Car Platoon (3), 1 x Mot Support Coy)), Artillery Regiment (4 Batteries 105mm LeFH, 12 Batteries 150mm SFH, 3 Battery 100mm K18 guns, 2 SPAA Batteries (20mm), 3 Mot AA Batteries (20mm, 88mm)), RPanzerjager Battalion (9 x 75mm Marder, 9 x 75mm AT, 9 x 50mm AT), Pioneer Battalion (3 x Pioneer Coy, 1 x Bridging Coy)

Suggested LAH DCCB Organisation ...

1) 1st SS Motorised Infantry Regiment: 3200 SS Infantry, 5 x 37mm AT, 10 x 50mm AT, 12 x 75mm IG, 2 x 150mm IG, 10 x SPAA (20mm), 15 x Marder II, 300 Trucks.

2) 2nd SS Motorised Infantry Regiment: 3200 SS Infantry, 5 x 37mm AT, 10 x 50mm AT, 12 x 75mm IG, 2 x 150mm IG, 10 x SPAA (20mm), 15 x Marder II, 250 Trucks, 50 Halftracks.

3) 3rd SS Armoured Regiment: 25 x StuG III, 25 x Pz IIIh, 20 x Pz IIIj, 10 x Pz IVf

4) 4th SS Artillery Regiment: 200 2nd Rate Infantry, 16 x 105mm LeFH, 16 x 159mm SFH, 4 x 100mm K18 Guns, 18 x SPAA 20mm, 5 x 88mm AA, 150 trucks

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SS Wiking Motorised Division

Substantially the same, except no StuG Battalion ...

3) 3rd SS Armoured Regiment: 25 x Pz IIIh, 20 x Pz IIIj, 10 x Pz IVf

Note: A *lot* more infantry, and a *lot* fewer Halftracks per TO&E.

Y'know, thinking on it, it might be more realistic to give the SS Divisions 3 Infantry Regiments, 1 Armoured Battalion and 1 Artillery Battalion, for a total of five elements. What do y'all think?

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/16/2012 1:16:22 PM

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Wow - that's a huge amount of data to absorb and somehow organize. Who feels like putting it into an Excel spreadsheet for easy use as a reference when editing the DCCB OOBs?

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/16/2012 3:13:30 PM

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Well, I *gave* Excel, as part of M$Office, but can't say I've ever *used* it ... so, probably not me ... or not until way after I finish the TO&E stuff.

I *was* (am) intending to consolidate and update it all as a single pdf document once I have it finished, though.

Oh, and, to be accurate, there needs to be a number of added weapon types ... Armoured Cars, Infantry Guns other than the 75mm one, the different Guns/Howitzers of the same caliber, SP AA Vehicles and more ... which I wouldn't even consider doing until I have finished the TO&E/OOB stuff ... and, then, only after time sitting down to see how the various values for existing weapons mesh with the real world values so I can reverse engineer new ones (of course, someone else could do it first!)

And that assumes that the game engine has enough slots for all the added unit types/organisations/weapon systems.

And I must do Panzer DIvisions, Panzer Grenadier Divisions and Infantry Divisions as well as Independent Tank (and other) units ... probably tomorrow for these.

Lots of work

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/16/2012 4:56:19 PM

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Ah, right - so you are planning to mod the OOB in-game yourself? In that case I think I will hold on until you've finished and import your OOB into my scenario (if that's OK with you?) rather than become one more modder slaving away to fix the same set of issues.

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/16/2012 8:11:30 PM

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 2:06:22 AM

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Well, I'm thinking about modding it ... but I have exactly zero experience with doing so, and with the editor in DCCB. So don't hold your breath unless you look good in purple

Of course, I am off work till the end of January on Long Service Leave (what you furriners would, wrongly, but close enough, call a "sabbatical") ... so, eventually, I'll get around to it.

Of course, as I noted previously, I have about five other things I am more or less committed to do at the same time, finishing off the writing of my latest RPG, for example (see the sig)

But, yes, it is my plan ...

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 2:20:17 AM

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German Panzer Division (to October 1942) 3rd-9th-11th-13th-14th-16th-22nd-23rd-24th with AGS

DCCB Organisation

PzGr Regiment x 2: 1700 Infantry, 250 Trucks, 120 Halftracks, 10 x 37mm AT, 10 x 75mm AT, 5 x Marder II, 5 x 150mm SIG 33, 10 x 20mm Flak

Panzer Regiment: 400 Infantry, 60 x Halftracks, 40 x Pz IIIj, 35 x Pz IIIh, 30 IVf, 10 IVg, 10 x 20mm Flak

Artillery Regiment: 400 Infantry, 150 Trucks, 20 x 105mm LeFH, 10 x 150mm SFH, 10 x 20mm AA, 10 x 88mm AA

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Actual Panzer Division Organisation 1 x Panzer Regiment (Lt Tank Platoon, 1-3 Panzer Battalions each of 21 x Lt Tank Platoon, Scout Platoon, Engineer Platoon, 1 x Medium and 2 x Light Companies), 1 PzGr Brigade (2 x PzGr Regiments each of 2 x Infantry Battalions (Mot) (each of 3 x Infantry Coy, 1 x Weapons Coy), 2 x Support Sections; SP Support Section), 1 x Panzerjager Battalion (1 x Marder II Coy, 1 x AT Coy, 1 x SPAA Coy), 1 x Motorcycle Battalion (1 x Armoured Car Coy, 3 x Motorcycle Coy, 1 x Support Coy), Artillery Regiment (9 Batteries 105mm LeFH, 1 Battery 100mm K8 guns, 3 Batteries 150mm SFH), 1 x Pioneer Battalion (1 x Armoured Pioneer Coy, 2 x Motorised Pioneer Coy, 1 Motorized Bridge Coy).

1st PzGr Regiment: 1800 Infantry, 200 x Engineers, 250 Trucks, 120 x Halftrack, 15x 50mm AT, 10 x 37mm AT, 10 x 75mm LeIG, 5 x 150mm SIG33, 5 x Marder II, 5 x 20mm AA

2nd PzGr Regiment: 1800 Infantry, 200 x Engineers, 350 Trucks, 60 x Halftrack, 15x 50mm AT, 10 x 37mm AT, 10 x 75mm LeIG, 5 x 150mm SIG33, 5 x Marder II, 5 x 20mm AA

3rd Panzer Regiment: 65 x Pz II, 100 x Pz III, 50 x Pz IV

4th Artillery Regiment: 200 2nd Rate Infantry, 25 x 105mm LeFH, 5 x 100mm K8, 10 x 150mm SFH, 150 Trucks

Note: The difference between the two PzGr Regiments. Less Halftracks in the 2nd. Also note many more tanks, especially Pz IIs.

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 3:07:08 AM

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German Infantry Division (based on 377th ID, 1 June 42)

DCCB Organisation

1st Infantry Regiment: 2500 Infantry, 10 75mm LeIG, 5 50mm AT

2nd Infantry Regiment: 2500 Infantry, 10 75mm LeIG, 10 37mm AT

3rd Infantry Regiment: 2500 Infantry, 10 75mm LeIG, 10 37mm AT, 5 50m AT

Artillery Regiment: 800 Infantry, 25 x 105mm LeFH, 10 x 150mm SFH, 10 x 20mm Flak

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Actual Organisation 3 Infantry Regiments (each of 3 x Battalions (each of 3 Infantry Coy, 1 Support Coy), 1 Infantry Gun Coy, 1 AT Coy), 1 Recon & Panzerjager Battalion (2 Mot Coy, 1 Bicycle Coy), 1 Artillery Regiment (9 Batteries 105mm LeFH, 3 Batteries 150mm SFH), 1 Pioneer Battalion

Infantry Regiment x 3: 3400 Infantry, 200 Engineers, 10 x 75mm IG, 5 x 37mm AT, 5 x 50mm AT, 20 x Trucks

Artillery Regiment: 35 x 105mm LeFH, 10 x 150mm SFH

Note: Lots more infantry.

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 7:07:49 AM

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Tank Strengths, AGS (June 1942)

Kienitz Detachment: 15 x Pz II, 14 x Pz III (short), 110 x Pz III (long), 1 Pz IV (short), 12 x Pz IV (long). 4 Command Tanks

9th Panzer (27 Jun 42): 21 x Pz II, 101 x Px III, 22 x Pz. IV

9th Panzer (29 Jun 42): 21 x Pz II, 81 x Px III, 19 x Pz. IV

Dingler Detachment: 10 x Pz II, 35 x Pz III, 8 x Pz IV

24th Panzer: 31 x Pz II, 105 x Pz III, 30 x Pz IV.

Grossdeutschland: 12 x Pz II, 25 Pz III, 19 x StuG III

3rd (Mot) Infantry Division: 9 x Pz II, 33 x Pz III, 7 x Pz IV

Interesting to compare with TO&Es ... and note the loss rate for the 9th Panzer over only 2 days! So don't complain!

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 7:20:05 AM

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Headcounts of Rumanian Divisions (August-September 42)

1st Rumanian XX: 86th Infantry III (651 men), 93rd Infantry III (723 men), 5th Jager III (506 men), Light Infantry II (417 men), 9 x 76.2mm Batteries, 4 x 100mm Batteries.

2nd Rumanian XX: 1st Infantry III (473 men), 26th Infantry III (584 men), 31st Infantry III (460 men), Light Infantry II (202 men), 9 x 75mm Batteries, 4 x 100mm Batteries

4th Rumanian XX: 5th Infantry III (978 men), 21st Infantry III (1272 men), 30th Infantry III (793 men), Light Infantry II (512 men), 9 x 76.2mm Batteries, 4 x 100m Batteries

20th Rumanian XX: 62nd Infantry III (1280 men), 83rd Infantry III (1102 men), 91st Infantry III (1203 men), Light Infantry II (553 men), 6 x 76.2mm Batteries, 6 x 100mm Batteries

Again, interesting to note how big a variance to TO&E strengths.

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 8:01:03 AM

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Tank Availability, 4th Panzer Army, September 1942

1 SEP 42
24th Panzer XX: 1 Command, 14 x Pz II, 36 x Pz III, 6 x Pz IV
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 5 x Pz II, 4 Pz III

2 SEP 42
24th Panzer XX: 10 x Pz II, 16 x Pz III (short), 15 x Pz III (long), 1 Pz IV (short), 5 x Pz IV (long), 1 Command
14th Panzer XX: 24 Pz III (long), 2 Pz IV (short), 3 x Pz IV (long). 4 Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 6 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III, 1 x Pz IV

4 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 21 x Pz III (long), 2 x Pz IV (short), 1 Pz IV (long)
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 3 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III, 2 x Pz IV

5 SEP 42
24th Panzer XX: 10 x Pz II, 10 x Pz III (long), 10 x Pz IV (short), 4 x Pz IV (long), 1 Command
14th Panzer XX: 21 x Pz III (long) 1 Pz IV (short), 2 x Pz IV (long)
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 3 x Pz II, 7 x Pz III. 2 x Pz IV, 3 x Marder II

6 SEP 42
14th Panzer: 7 x Pz II, 21 x Pz III (long), 1 Pz IV (short), 3 x Pz IV (long), 3 Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 7 x Pz II, 6 x Pz III, 2 x Pz IV, 3 x Marder II

7 SEP 42
24th Panzer XX: 14 x Pz II, 13 x Pz III (short), 14 x Pz III (long), 4 x Pz IV (long), 2 Command
14th Panzer XX; 7 x Pz II, 35 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (short), 5 x Pz IV (long), 4 x Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 7 x Pz II, 6 x Pz III (long), 2 x Pz IV (long), 3 x Marder II

8 SEP 42
24th Panzer XX: 9 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (short), 5 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (long)

9 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 2 x Pz III (short), 9 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (short), 1 x Pz IV (long), 4 Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 6 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (long), 2 x Pz IV (long), 4 x Marder II

10 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 7 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (short), 21 x Pz III (long), 3 x Pz IV (short), 3 x Pz IV (long), 3 Command
24th Panzer XX: 6 x Pz II, 6 x Pz III (short), 7 x Pz III (long), 2 x Pz IV (short), 1 x Pz IV (long), 2 Command.
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 6 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (long), 2 x Pz IV (long), 4 x Marder II

12 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 3 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (short), 11 x Pz III (long), 3 x Pz IV (short), 2 x Pz IV (long), 4 Command
24th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 2 x Pz III (short), 7 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (short), 4 x Pz IV (long)), 2 Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 4 x Pz II, 2 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (long)

13 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 3 x Pz II, 2 x Pz III (short), 12 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (short), 3 x Pz IV (long), 4 Command
24th Panzer XX: 7 x Pz II, 5 x Pz III (short), 6 x Pz III (long), 1 x Pz IV (short), 3 x Pz IV (long), 1 Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 2 x Pz II, 5 x Pz III (long), 2 x Pz IV (long)

14 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 3 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (s), 18 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l), 4 Command
24th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 6 x Pz III (s), 6 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l), 2 Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 6 x Pz III (l), 2 x Pz IV (l)

15 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (s), 17 x Pz III (l), 2 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 Command
24th Panzer XX: 7 x Pz II, 3 x Pz III (s), 7 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l)
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 1 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (l)

16 SEP 42 (24th Panzer XX & 3rd (Mot) Infantry XX detached to 6th Army Corps previous midnight)
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (s), 18 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 Command

17 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (s), 18 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

18 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 2 x Pz III (s), 25 x Pz III (l), 2 x Pz IV (s), 6 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

19 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 1 x Pz III (s), 25 x Pz III (l), 1 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

20 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 9 x Pz II, 3 x Pz III (s), 29 x Pz III (l), 5 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

22 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 10 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (s), 28 x Pz III (l), 5 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

23 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 6 x Pz II, 5 x Pz III (s), 29 x Pz III (l), 5 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

24 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 6 x Pz II, 3 x Pz III (s), 30 x Pz III (l), 5 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

25 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 6 x Pz II, 3 x Pz III (s), 29 x Pz III (l), 4 x Pz IV (s), 5 x Pz IV (l), 3 x Command

26 SEP 42
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 3 x Pz III (s), 30 x Pz III (l), 6 x Pz IV (s), 6 x Pz IV (l), 5 x Command

28 SEP 42 (29th (Mot) Infantry XX returned)
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (s), 30 x Pz III (l), 7 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l), 5 x Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 6 x Pz II, 10 x Pz III (s), 14 x Pz III (l), 11 x Pz IV (l), 5 x Marder II

29 SEP 42 (29th (Mot) Infantry XX returned)
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (s), 32 x Pz III (l), 7 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l), 5 x Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 6 x Pz II, 10 x Pz III (s), 14 x Pz III (l), 11 x Pz IV (l), 5 x Marder II

30 SEP 42 (29th (Mot) Infantry XX returned)
14th Panzer XX: 8 x Pz II, 4 x Pz III (s), 30 x Pz III (l), 7 x Pz IV (s), 4 x Pz IV (l), 5 x Command
29th (Mot) Infantry XX: 4 x Pz II, 10 x Pz III (s), 17 x Pz III (l), 10 x Pz IV (l), 6 x Marder II

Way, way, way under TO&E!!!

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 8:11:05 AM

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Headcounts of Rumanian Infantry XX, 4th Panzer Army, Early October 1942

1st Rumanian XX: 5th Jaeger III (372 men), 85th Infantry III (439 men), 93rd Infantry III (436 men), Light Infantry II (294 men)

2nd Rumanian XX: 1st Infantry III (464 men), 26th Infantry III (535 men), 31st Infantry III (421 men), Lt Infantry II (194 men)

4th Rumanian XX: 5th Infantry III (664 men), 21st Infantry III (741 men), 20th Infantry III (599 men), Lt Infantry II (443 men)

20th Romanian XX: 82nd Infantry III (1200 men), 83rd Infantry (1169 men), 91st Infantry (1203 men), Lt Infantry II (43 men)

Get it? Romanian TOE is a pious hope at best! Once in combat, anyway.

Phil

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RE: German Divisional TO&Es - 8/17/2012 10:27:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: aspqrz

Well, I'm thinking about modding it ... but I have exactly zero experience with doing so, and with the editor in DCCB. So don't hold your breath unless you look good in purple

Of course, I am off work till the end of January on Long Service Leave (what you furriners would, wrongly, but close enough, call a "sabbatical") ... so, eventually, I'll get around to it.

Of course, as I noted previously, I have about five other things I am more or less committed to do at the same time, finishing off the writing of my latest RPG, for example (see the sig)

But, yes, it is my plan ...

Phil

And a very good plan it is too! I think I will leave that to you and anyone else who opts to do the same...

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