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Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/7/2013 10:20:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I put these on the Hiryu....took a bit of time to get them carrier trained, but I like there range.






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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/7/2013 11:03:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Potentially useful, but I'm not happy with the berth spaces they take away from planes that can actually kill things.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 12:32:21 AM   
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Potentially useful, but I'm not happy with the berth spaces they take away from planes that can actually kill things.


So Admiral Nagumo, how'd that work for you at Midway?

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 2:00:55 AM   
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I put these on the Hiryu....took a bit of time to get them carrier trained, but I like there range.



Setting them on range =21 is probably overkill. There's a hard coded limit to naval search, probably 12-14 hexes IIRC. Plus, I'd keep them on 'normal' range regardless to limit OPS losses. Similarly, you may want to back off of an 80% search order-they will tire out very quickly and give you lots of OPS losses at that pace.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 2:22:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MineSweeper

I put these on the Hiryu....took a bit of time to get them carrier trained, but I like there range.



Setting them on range =21 is probably overkill. There's a hard coded limit to naval search, probably 12-14 hexes IIRC. Plus, I'd keep them on 'normal' range regardless to limit OPS losses. Similarly, you may want to back off of an 80% search order-they will tire out very quickly and give you lots of OPS losses at that pace.


You are correct CB, I usually set them 10-15 hexes depending on the situation (just wanted to show the folks the 21 max range)


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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 2:25:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I could see this being VERY useful , not in a search function, but for Recon. You could Recon an intended target while well out of most strike planes range , one could tell if the target is worth hitting before committing a strike. And as a search function , one could set it on a single sector search for long distance search where you are going to reduce the chance of "stumbling" into a CV ambush.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 4:10:41 AM   
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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 4:45:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've done the same thing, though my unit is based on Shokaku, my thinking that I would put such a specialized unit on the largest and most modern CV platform.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 6:39:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, can be useful. Especially with a raiding force. The Allies get an excellent long range wildcat that comes with a camera. It is their best early war recon asset. But they only get a few and sadly they cannot operate off of carriers.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/8/2013 6:50:06 PM   
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Is there a hard coded limit to naval search in 12-14 hexes ?

I don't think there's a limit, but the probability of detecting a TF nose-dives beyond 12 hexes.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/10/2013 2:55:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of them break down into 3 plane units or similar - very useful for long range recon of intended targets.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/10/2013 3:14:43 PM   
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Is there a hard coded limit to naval search in 12-14 hexes ?

I don't think there's a limit, but the probability of detecting a TF nose-dives beyond 12 hexes.

That's what the developers have said. I have had search find things at longer ranges, but not so much as closer.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/11/2013 11:48:02 PM   
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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/12/2013 4:06:18 AM   
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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/12/2013 5:20:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everything I have read has said the F4F-7 was carrier capable. It was unamored and didn't have selfselling fuel tanks. it was not liked by the pilots and was 9 times out of 10 left in port. ( Read it in "The First Team" by John B. Lundstrom )

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/15/2013 5:55:18 AM   
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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/15/2013 6:47:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Someone said something about occupying the flight deck and hangar space only with aircraft that can actually kill something. I second that.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/15/2013 10:21:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought that it was carrier capable. However, the deck pretty much had to be completely clear of aircraft because the aircraft was so underpowered with a full fuel load that it required an extremely long deck run and/or very favorable wind over the deck conditions depending on its fuel load.

I also can't blame the pilots for not wanting to fly an armed and unarmored flying gas tank for up to 24 hours unsupported in enemy controlled territory.

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RE: Specialized Search Planes on Carriers - 4/16/2013 2:22:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		We made them CV capable for the US in Reluctant Admiral. I think we created a dozen or so small detachments for the Allied cause.


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