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Respect for the Long Island - 1/17/2003 7:29:17 AM   
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Okay so the Long Island gets no respect. Umpteen players have suggested sending her back or sending her as bait or sending her to hell but surely she must have been valuable to start with, why else would they have sent her into the theater? I believe she arrives empty so no wonder no one gets excited when she arrives. But did this really happen? Was she empty to begin with? It doesn't make sense but maybe it did happen that way. One way for her to gain respect is to arrive loaded with a plane squadron, perhaps asw patrol planes or whatever was due to arrive then.. Is this too ahistorical?
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- 1/17/2003 9:30:24 AM   
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Long Islands history

The second Long Island (CVE-1) was laid down 7 July 1939, as Mormacmail, under Maritime Commission contract, by the Sun Shipbuilding & Drydock Co., Chester, Pa.; launched 11 January 1940; sponsored by Miss Dian B. Holt; acquired by the Navy 6 March 1941; and commissioned 2 June 1941 as Long Island (AVG-1) Comdr. Donald B. Duncan in command.

In the tense months before Pearl Harbor, the new escort aircraft carrier operated out of Norfolk, conducting experiments to prove the feasibility of aircraft operations from converted cargo ships. The data gathered by Long Island greatly improved the combat readiness of later "baby flattops." Just after the Japanese attack, Long Island escorted a convoy to Newfoundland and qualified carrier pilots at Norfolk before departing for the west coast 10 May 1942. Reaching San Francisco 5 June, the ship immediately joined Admiral Pye's four battleships and provided air cover while at sea to reinforce Admiral Nimitz' forces after their brilliant victory in the Battle of Midway. She left the formation 17 July and returned to the west coast to resume carrier pilot training.

Long Island departed San Diego 8 July 1942 and arrived Pearl Harbor the 17th. After a training run south to Palmyra Island, the ship loaded two squadrons of Marine Corps aircraft and got underway for the South Pacific 2 August. Five days later, the marines, while landing on Guadalcanal, encountered stiff opposition and needed more air support than could be provided by the handful of carriers available during the early months of the war. Touching Fiji Islands 13 August, Long Island then steamed to a point 200 miles southeast of Guadalcanal and launched her aircraft. These planes, the first to reach Henderson Field, were instrumental in the liberation of Guadalcanal and went on to compile a distinguished war record. Her mission was accomplished in an outstanding fashion. Reclassified ACV-1 on 20 August, Long Island sailed for Efate, New Hebrides, and arrived 23 August.

Long Island returned to the west coast 20 September 1942, as the new "baby flattops" took up the slack in the Pacific war zones. For the next year, the escort carrier trained carrier pilots at San Diego, an unglamorous but vital contribution to victory. Long Island was reclassified CVE-1 on 15 July 1943. During 1944 and 1945, she transported airplanes and their crews from the west coast to various outposts in the Pacific. After V-J Day, she revisited many of these same bases while transporting soldiers and sailors back home during operation "Magic Carpet."

Long Island decommissioned 26 March 1946 at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. Struck from the Navy List 12 April 1946, she was sold to Zidell Ship Dismantling Co., Portland, Oreg., 24 April 1947 for scrapping. This was not to be. The old warrior still had some life left for on 12 March 1948, she was acquired by the Canada-Europe Line for conversion to merchant service. Upon completion of conversion in 1949, she was renamed Nelly and served as an immigrant carrier between Europe and Canada. In 1953, she was sold to the University of the Seven Seas and was converted into a schoolship. Later that year, she was renamed Seven Seas and with her cargo of students, began sailing all over the world in pursuit of knowledge. After 13 years of service in this role, she was replaced as a schoolship for the university, and was sold to the University of Rotterdam for use as a floating dormitory. Into 1969, she is still in service in this role, berthed near the university grounds.



Take a look at this picture:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/0300106.jpg

The text:

Moored at Naval Air Station, North Island, California, on 2 June 1942, shortly before she sortied with Task Force ONE under Vice Admiral William S. Pye. Aircraft on deck include six Grumman F4F-4 fighters and three Curtiss SOC-3A of squadron VGS-1.

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- 1/17/2003 9:31:03 AM   
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I used her to transfer aircraft from a damaged carrier in the west to land beses in the east

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- 1/17/2003 9:41:50 AM   
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Holy Crapper! :eek:

Excellent post PzB! :)

Still "serving" as a dorm in Blighty would have been way down on my list of answers to the question: "Where do you think the Long Island is today?" :p

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- 1/17/2003 11:13:23 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grumbling Grogn
[B]Holy Crapper! :eek:

Excellent post PzB! :)

Still "serving" as a dorm in Blighty would have been way down on my list of answers to the question: "Where do you think the Long Island is today?" :p [/B][/QUOTE]

Note that she was performing this duty in 1969, according to the quoted material. I doubt that she survived the hammer much longer.

A worthy ship and true, from PzB's excellent research. She still sucks big red wet donkey dicks in UV.

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- 1/17/2003 11:16:48 AM   
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From that excellent post by PZB, I see that aircraft were flown from the Long Island. I wonder why that can't be corrected ro is it because she never assumed a combat role to begin with.

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- 1/17/2003 11:27:07 AM   
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Actually, wasn't the Long Island the CVE that was docked near New Orleans as a museum? I was there about 10 years ago, and saw it from our Cruise Ship pulled out (I was really disappointed that I hadn't seen it when we went in, and so hadn't taken the time to tour it while in NO).

I'm not sure it was the Long Island, but I am poitive it was a CVL or CVE, and I think somebody had told me that it was the LI. My brother Knavey moved to NO about a year later, and the CVE got hit by a barge that lost steering while moving down the river. The CVE took significant damage. Because it wasn't making that much money as a musuem (poor spot on the river), and now had a big bash in side, she was sold moved somewhere else. I don't know who bought her, or where she ended up (or even if she was scrapped).

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- 1/17/2003 11:59:27 AM   
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People are probably complaining and calling her names because they're starved of carriers and when they finally get one, it's an old hunk o' junk without ac's ;)

I guess she was more of a beginning and indirect contributor than an active combatant.

She received 1 battle star in her career, so she must have contributed with valuable service.

I'm currently steaming her around the high seas trying to convince my opponent that she's my CV TF - the Jap scout planes should easily report her as a CVL or even a CV.

Long Island was hulked as dormitory at Rotterdam in 1966 and sold for scrap in 1977.

The end....

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- 1/17/2003 2:37:29 PM   
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Problems with the Long Island:

1) It eats flight groups
2) It serves little purpose seeing as how there are very few locations that can't be reached quicker via 2 "Transfer Base" operations. P-39s from Noumea to Lunga? One day, click to Luganville. Next day, click to Lunga. Rest em up a day, and off they go.

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- 1/17/2003 2:42:58 PM   
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Yeah, but check 'er out...

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- 1/17/2003 8:33:07 PM   
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Well it's no wonder she can't run ops Pasternenaski, there's no room to land anything on that deck!

(*just kidding*)

Nic pic.

I use to ferry planes around just like she's supposed to. I hate giving up points, so the thought of sacrificing her, or even using her as just a decoy makes my eye-balls shrivel. But for the next couple of months, my OB says that pretty much my squadron reinforcements are coming into the side of the theather where I want them, so I sent her home.

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- 1/17/2003 9:45:41 PM   
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If it didn't EAT planes, people would probably use it for something, but loosing an entire squadron due to a glitch really makes the ship a double negative. First time it ate a P-39D squadron on me, I didn't catch it until trying to unload at the other end, having already overwritten the save and was royally ticked off. The bad wrap has just stuck with the ship ever since.

It's not the ship, it's the ship in the game :(

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