Slitherine

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-94-II x 47

Allied aircraft
Avenger III x 125
Firebrand TF Mk IV x 83
Corsair V x 95
Firefly F.IV x 54
Seafire F.47 x 18
Sea Fury x 32
F4U-1D Corsair x 29
F4U-4 Corsair x 338
F8F-1 Bearcat x 172
FR-1 Fireball x 35
FJ-1 Fury x 248
FH-1 Phantom x 111
F9F Panther x 218
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 100
SB2C-5 Helldiver x 299
TBF-1 Avenger x 12
TBM-3 Avenger x 45
AD-1 Skyraider x 588

Japanese Ships
BB Hotaka, Bomb hits 78, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shimakaze, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
CA Kumano, Bomb hits 24, and is sunk
CA Takachiho, Bomb hits 39, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Furutaka, Bomb hits 30, and is sunk
CA Kako, Bomb hits 28, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Ozuki, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Mikuma, Bomb hits 36, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Azama, Bomb hits 35, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yaegumo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Onome, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Fuyutsuki, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Myojinkaze, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Satsukaze, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.77, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Suzukaze, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
ML G-301, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK Rebuni Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Noyate, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kiyousuki, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.190, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD Hikokaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Susukaze, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
ML G-406, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Wakaba, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
ML G-318, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ML G-427, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ML G-407, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Repair Shipyard hits 24
Port hits 51

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3 x F4U-4 Corsair bombing from 18000 feet
Port Attack: 2 plane(s) with no ordnance
Port Attack: 2 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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4 x FJ-1 Fury sweeping at 18000 feet
4 x F9F Panther sweeping at 18000 feet

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14 x AD-1 Skyraider bombing from 18000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 2000 lb AP Bomb, 4 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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18 x Firebrand TF Mk IV bombing from 18000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 2000 lb AP Bomb, 4 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

Dansez,

If you do some rough calculations on my uber port strike, it tells you that something upwards of 6500 bombs were dropped for about 400 hits. FOW probably means less hits than that. Likely less than a 5% hit rate. This is by high skill aircrew against ineffective CAP. The light rain might have some negative effect.

I understood Alfred to be saying that the combat algorithms (may) already factor in an element that abstracts the spread of a bomb stick.

• create a new dedicated device (aka bomb) with similar stats to those of an existing bomb with the equivalent explosive power
  
• using the alternate bomb filters reduce proportionately the number of "stick bombs" carried on that particular mission profile
  

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34. Tweaked Air attacks at 10K were not being adjusted for misses when checking each bomb dropped. [A miss after a hit should end the 'stick' or increase the odds of any further bombs in same 'stick' of missing.]

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Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Allied aircraft
Avenger III x 120
Firebrand TF Mk IV x 29
Sea Fury x 32
F8F-1 Bearcat x 44
FJ-1 Fury x 265
FH-1 Phantom x 33
F9F Panther x 71
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 74
SB2C-5 Helldiver x 150
TBF-1 Avenger x 12
TBM-3 Avenger x 380
AD-1 Skyraider x 108

Allied aircraft losses
Avenger III: 8 damaged
Avenger III: 1 destroyed by flak
Firebrand TF Mk IV: 4 damaged
Firebrand TF Mk IV: 1 destroyed by flak
F8F-1 Bearcat: 14 damaged
F8F-1 Bearcat: 1 destroyed by flak
FH-1 Phantom: 8 damaged
FH-1 Phantom: 2 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 9 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-5 Helldiver: 21 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 67 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak
AD-1 Skyraider: 23 damaged
AD-1 Skyraider: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
LST T-158, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CL Yashiro, Bomb hits 16, and is sunk
APD -115, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
APD -113, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Yamanagiri, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Ushio, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD Nobikaze, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
SST I-361, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD Hayanami, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
E No.33, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Ashi, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.45, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
APD -121, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AD Koshu Maru #2, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kawagiri, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML G-319, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Yoitsuki, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yuri, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.67, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tadeyame, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
E No.37, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Aoi, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yomogi, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD -122, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Katsutade, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Amatsukaze, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC CHa-65, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E No.198, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Kasshoku-umi, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.47, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.205, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
PB No. 266, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD T-23, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Suresushio, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.55, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Tatsuyuke, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
APD T-17, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
SST I-366, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
LST T-152, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LST T-150, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
APD T-19, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Suruyate, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AKE Soya, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tamanami, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
PB No. 212, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK Akita Maru, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Suzunami, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD -119, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
DD Tadeyate, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
E Kozu, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.39, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AD Gyoko Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.196, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.221, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD -120, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E No.63, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E Mikura, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kiyoshimo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.49, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Taboko, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kuroshio, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.158, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E No.215, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AD Shintoku Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML M-1, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
APD -121, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Shirakumo, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Michitsuki, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
E Kurotori, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
E Takane, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.207, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Sazanami, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCI LB-5015, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AMc No. 207, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.69, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML G-206, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
APD Tade, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.21, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Ikino, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SC CHa-71, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E No.35, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Hirado, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB No. 236, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.200, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Natsushima, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E No.73, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
E Shisaka, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E No.60, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E No.41, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD -116, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E No.11, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML G-203, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E No.61, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
E No.17, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML M-10, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E No.27, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LST T-142, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E Amami, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.81, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
E No.43, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.75, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMc No. 233, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
E No.20, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ML M-9, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ML M-2, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LCI LB-5053, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
E Io, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 42
Port hits 45
Port fuel hits 10
Port supply hits 1

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One of the easily overlooked points is that the AI takes into account the type of target (ship) when electing to use GP or AP ordnance.

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using the alternate bomb filters reduce proportionately the number of "stick bombs" carried on that particular mission profile

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Ian, I don't understand your test in this context - dive-bombers usually drop single bombs, not sticks.

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Tweak 34 ... [A miss after a hit should end the 'stick' or increase the odds of any further bombs in same 'stick' of missing.]

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

I mostly agree with Witpqs.

MichaelM did say "A miss after a hit" . I took that to mean that each bomb gets separately assessed up to that point.

So if you have a B24 with a stick of 500lb GP x 10 (all in the same aircraft device slot) it could get results of miss, miss, hit, hit, miss - and then the code in tweak #34 impacts bombs 6-10 in the stick.

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ORIGINAL: inqistor
Also, for Port Attacks, maybe introduce larger bombs.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

The way I interpret MichaelM's comment quoted by Alfred is that a "stick" is a device that shows >1 individual bombs so that the code can work them as individual bombs in a stick, each influenced by the outcome of the one before it (except for the first one of course).

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ORIGINAL: Dili

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

The way I interpret MichaelM's comment quoted by Alfred is that a "stick" is a device that shows >1 individual bombs so that the code can work them as individual bombs in a stick, each influenced by the outcome of the one before it (except for the first one of course).

Shouldn't the stick be all the bombs that have same filter?

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ORIGINAL: Dili

Yes.

I limit my medium bombers to 6 bombs - or bomb sticks - heavy bombers to 10 bombs or bomb sticks.