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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I don't know. Could they, did they. IRL the answer is yes. In the game? Not sure, but the AE team was pretty hardcore and wanted things to work. They've got the AT algorithm in place (defensive fire only), so it wouldn't have been too hard to expand that to include other guns. And support troops also pitch in on defense only. My gut tells me yes, but I have no hard evidence to support it. Sandboxing it wouldn't be too hard … just look for supply usage in defense.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
I think I saw a comment by Alfred or one of the devs that they would defend themselves if they were about to get overrun. I did once trap an AA unit and shock attacked with tanks - lost a couple of tanks destroyed and about three times that number disabled but the AA unit was destroyed.

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ORIGINAL: rustysi

I have seen some AAA batteries fire in an anti-invasion roll. Don't recall what caliber they were, its been a while. Please don't confuse this with a CD type attack, troops were landing in the hex.

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They probably fire defensively like anti-tank guns but not offensively.

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

My guess is, that every Device with anti-soft/armor can fire during combat. I haven't seen isolated AA units damage anything, but they were mostly fragments, and already defeated once already.

But considering how defensive invasion/bombardment fire works - only CD guns seems to have any chance to hit anything, they have better accuracy, than normal guns, but numbers alone are much higher that all guns combined in hex. I just made invasion against Palmyra. During night bombardment there was only 6 guns firing, but when my troops began unloading, there are suddenly 76 reported firing. And during ground assault only 53 guns are listed.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

The entire discussion in this thread is moot, very moot.  So moot it verges on being silly.
So? Your point is?

There is a significant difference between any AAA device and any DP device.  This difference is easily noticed when their firepower stats are looked at.  Where are the stats located in the game? In general terms DP devices will have a meaningful anti-armour/anti-soft rating.  This means their participation in combat allows for meaningful damage to be inflicted on enemy devices.  You mean that if a pixelated person was hit by a AAA device that there would be no damage?

The comparable firepower ratings for a land AAA device is usually only around 1.  Where is this information located?To put that into context, Support devices are around 5 times more powerful.  Every experienced AE player knows Support devices provide very limited firepower to combat, so how much does one think the 20% of very limited actually contributes. Every little bit helps!

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

So? Your point is?


A great deal of naval gazing about what goes on under the hood which is irrelevant to how the game plays out.


Where are the stats located in the game?


In the ingame database and the editor. Basic game information sources which would not be overlooked by anyone wishing to make informed comments.


You mean that if a pixelated person was hit by a AAA device that there would be no damage?


Correct. Conforms to basic game combat algorithms where a hit does not guarantee any damage results. Well known state of affairs by well informed game commentators.


Where is this information located?


Again found in the ingame database (land firepower data excluded for AA devices) and editor. That AAA device land firepower is not listed in the ingame database speaks eloquently of the importance attached to the issue by the devs.


Every little bit helps!


No it doesn't really help. Stick to buying a lottery ticket, the odds are probably better there of getting some ROI. Almost everyone gets a negative return on their lottery investment.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

So? Your point is?


A great deal of naval gazing about what goes on under the hood which is irrelevant to how the game plays out.


Where are the stats located in the game?


In the ingame database and the editor. Basic game information sources which would not be overlooked by anyone wishing to make informed comments.


You mean that if a pixelated person was hit by a AAA device that there would be no damage?


Correct. Conforms to basic game combat algorithms where a hit does not guarantee any damage results. Well known state of affairs by well informed game commentators.


Where is this information located?


Again found in the ingame database (land firepower data excluded for AA devices) and editor. That AAA device land firepower is not listed in the ingame database speaks eloquently of the importance attached to the issue by the devs.


Every little bit helps!


No it doesn't really help. Stick to buying a lottery ticket, the odds are probably better there of getting some ROI. Almost everyone gets a negative return on their lottery investment.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

My guess is, that every Device with anti-soft/armor can fire during combat. I haven't seen isolated AA units damage anything, but they were mostly fragments, and already defeated once already.

But considering how defensive invasion/bombardment fire works - only CD guns seems to have any chance to hit anything, they have better accuracy, than normal guns, but numbers alone are much higher that all guns combined in hex. I just made invasion against Palmyra. During night bombardment there was only 6 guns firing, but when my troops began unloading, there are suddenly 76 reported firing. And during ground assault only 53 guns are listed.

The CD unit or Naval Fortress has the rangefinders and computers for targeting ships pre-landing, as the troops are getting into their landing craft.
The following phase where it says troops are lost going over the beach is all the other defensive fire from the enemy - including MGs, rifles, mortars, field arty, etc. I am not sure if the Naval Fortress can contribute to gunfire on the beach.

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

does an AA gun device has any defense impact on land combat?

they won't "shoot" on offensive because they lack AV value;

but how would they defend? I mean, would a .50 cal or 13mm work like a standard machine gun? or would a 90mm M1A1 gun shoot down tanks?

thanks

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

There is a significant difference between any AAA device and any DP device.  This difference is easily noticed when their firepower stats are looked at.  In general terms DP devices will have a meaningful anti-armour/anti-soft rating.  This means their participation in combat allows for meaningful damage to be inflicted on enemy devices. 

The comparable firepower ratings for a land AAA device is usually only around 1.  To put that into context, Support devices are around 5 times more powerful.  Every experienced AE player knows Support devices provide very limited firepower to combat, so how much does one think the 20% of very limited actually contributes.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

1.  Don't confuse a type AAA device with a type DP device.

2.  The supply metric would be of limited value.

Alfred

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Ground combat at Kuantan (51,79)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4856 troops, 41 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 168

Defending force 374 troops, 25 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 129

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 43 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuantan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 20 (20 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (32 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
56th Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment