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Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/12/2006 9:40:43 PM

KG Erwin

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In 8.403, and using the "programmer's conventions" with true troop cost on, AND with a customized OOB set, I've come up with a German long campaign core force that's pretty cool, IMHO.

Using the Campaign Watcher export feature, here is the September 1939 Kampfgruppe Erwin, loosely based on the organization of Panzer Division Kempf, an ad-hoc unit which combined Heer and SS units in the Polish Campaign:

"#" "Element" "Rank" "Leader" "Kills" "Exp" "Mor" "Rally" "Inf" "Arm" "Art"
"A0" "KGE Kdr" "Col" "Erwin" "0" "68" "87" "78" "72" "38" "41"
"B0" "KGE SdKfz 251" "1Lt" "Hausser" "0" "68" "71" "76" "40" "76" "48"
"C0" "I1 PzKpfW III E" "Cpt" "Vahl" "0" "54" "80" "80" "41" "70" "36"
"C1" "I2 PzKpfW III E" "Sgt" "Tychsen" "0" "66" "68" "72" "40" "74" "34"
"D0" "11 PzKpfW II C" "1Lt" "Enseling" "0" "70" "77" "69" "30" "68" "39"
"D1" "21 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Holzer" "0" "59" "81" "76" "39" "74" "43"
"D2" "31 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Langanke" "0" "65" "77" "71" "39" "77" "45"
"D3" "41 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Muehleck" "0" "72" "72" "77" "31" "70" "42"
"D4" "51 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Schlomka" "0" "81" "73" "73" "35" "79" "40"
"E0" "12 PzKpfW II C" "1Lt" "Matzke" "0" "66" "65" "71" "39" "78" "39"
"E1" "22 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Veith" "0" "60" "73" "75" "34" "77" "40"
"E2" "32 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Frauscher" "0" "64" "83" "78" "36" "66" "39"
"E3" "42 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Kloskowski" "0" "71" "90" "69" "43" "72" "41"
"E4" "52 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Barkmann" "0" "76" "77" "79" "39" "79" "44"
"F0" "13 PzKpfW II C" "1Lt" "Gresiak" "0" "67" "61" "82" "31" "65" "43"
"F1" "23 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Reeb" "0" "75" "75" "72" "40" "74" "38"
"F2" "33 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Boska" "0" "60" "70" "74" "39" "69" "36"
"F3" "43 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Simke" "0" "70" "78" "80" "45" "71" "40"
"F4" "53 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Hargeshimer" "0" "62" "78" "78" "36" "83" "44"
"G0" "14 PzKpfW II C" "1Lt" "Kesten" "0" "69" "75" "70" "45" "69" "41"
"G1" "24 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Worthmann" "0" "70" "75" "67" "44" "77" "42"
"G2" "34 PzKpfW II C" "Sgt" "Zimmermann" "0" "59" "71" "77" "44" "78" "43"
"G3" "44 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Seibold" "0" "66" "68" "79" "32" "72" "40"
"G4" "54 PzKpfW I B" "Sgt" "Thaler" "0" "75" "71" "82" "38" "65" "37"
"H0" "SSD Kdr " "Cpt" "Steiner" "0" "77" "82" "79" "75" "38" "43"
"I0" "ID SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Schuldt" "0" "66" "89" "81" "73" "38" "30"
"I1" "1D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Reitzenstein" "0" "83" "83" "72" "82" "35" "46"
"I2" "2D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Burghardt" "0" "73" "81" "72" "76" "39" "38"
"I3" "3D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Witt" "0" "78" "77" "81" "70" "42" "39"
"I4" "4D SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Zehender" "0" "80" "81" "77" "69" "37" "45"
"J0" "IID SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Praefke" "0" "88" "86" "75" "65" "35" "39"
"J1" "5D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Eckert" "0" "80" "83" "71" "80" "44" "36"
"J2" "6D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Koch" "0" "72" "86" "71" "73" "36" "33"
"J3" "7D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Bissinger" "0" "77" "87" "70" "75" "32" "36"
"J4" "8D SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Bolte" "0" "87" "87" "77" "79" "37" "39"
"K0" "IIID SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Kleinheister" "0" "79" "84" "74" "80" "35" "40"
"K1" "9D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Harzer" "0" "76" "85" "75" "72" "48" "45"
"K2" "10D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Gesele" "0" "81" "84" "74" "70" "36" "43"
"K3" "11D SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Ehrath" "0" "79" "85" "74" "74" "40" "35"
"K4" "12D SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Wisliceny" "0" "89" "81" "82" "76" "32" "45"
"L0" "1D 8cm GrW" "2Lt" "Gattinger" "0" "64" "79" "69" "37" "39" "71"
"L1" "2D 8cm GrW" "Sgt" "Spindler" "0" "61" "84" "69" "39" "39" "79"
"L2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Besslein" "0" "57" "79" "74" "38" "74" "43"
"M0" "1D 75mm leIG" "2Lt" "Hansen" "0" "72" "69" "66" "43" "36" "77"
"M1" "2D 75mm leIG" "Sgt" "Gille" "0" "67" "72" "80" "38" "32" "82"
"M2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Sander" "0" "68" "73" "65" "33" "72" "42"
"M3" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Wunder" "0" "66" "78" "73" "41" "73" "41"
"N0" "1D 37mm PaK" "2Lt" "Burmeister" "0" "63" "77" "81" "38" "34" "80"
"N1" "2D 37mm PaK" "Sgt" "Schweiger" "0" "63" "75" "81" "39" "36" "81"
"N2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Kniep" "0" "64" "58" "78" "44" "76" "38"
"N3" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Rohder" "0" "67" "78" "76" "34" "74" "39"
"O0" "SSG Kdr " "Cpt" "Demelhuber" "0" "81" "79" "72" "76" "36" "32"
"P0" "IG SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Schmidhuber" "0" "77" "85" "75" "79" "44" "31"
"P1" "1G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Dieckmann" "0" "72" "81" "76" "72" "40" "46"
"P2" "2G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Grossler" "0" "67" "89" "70" "76" "36" "43"
"P3" "3G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Faulhaber" "0" "81" "90" "76" "79" "44" "40"
"P4" "4G SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Huehnerfauth" "0" "78" "88" "68" "67" "37" "39"
"Q0" "IIG SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Dorffler" "0" "66" "79" "79" "77" "41" "48"
"Q1" "5G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Vorbeck" "0" "87" "77" "69" "79" "40" "37"
"Q2" "6G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Knebel" "0" "77" "77" "74" "80" "37" "33"
"Q3" "7G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Walther" "0" "73" "79" "71" "69" "44" "39"
"Q4" "8G SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Braunagl" "0" "83" "94" "73" "76" "47" "45"
"R0" "IIIG SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Koeppen" "0" "69" "95" "78" "75" "39" "43"
"R1" "9G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Oppell" "0" "76" "86" "73" "72" "31" "33"
"R2" "10G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Wild" "0" "77" "81" "66" "70" "41" "37"
"R3" "11G SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Rien" "0" "81" "91" "72" "68" "31" "37"
"R4" "12G SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Borchert" "0" "88" "85" "67" "81" "40" "43"
"S0" "1G 8cm GrW" "2Lt" "Schlamelcher" "0" "74" "73" "77" "42" "33" "67"
"S1" "2G 8cm GrW" "Sgt" "Richter" "0" "60" "76" "71" "43" "36" "74"
"S2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Dietsche" "0" "66" "75" "72" "36" "72" "37"
"T0" "1G 75mm leIG" "2Lt" "Wiehle" "0" "71" "71" "73" "41" "36" "80"
"T1" "2G 75mm leIG" "Sgt" "Brasack" "0" "75" "76" "70" "39" "37" "71"
"T2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Heldmann" "0" "57" "79" "74" "46" "71" "30"
"T3" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Bernau" "0" "72" "74" "78" "47" "82" "44"
"U0" "1G 37mm PaK" "2Lt" "Maack" "0" "71" "82" "74" "38" "38" "78"
"U1" "2G 37mm PaK" "Sgt" "Oeck" "0" "69" "75" "72" "40" "40" "74"
"U2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Korff" "0" "76" "86" "75" "43" "71" "36"
"U3" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Neu" "0" "72" "61" "77" "36" "74" "40"
"V0" "SSDF Kdr " "Cpt" "Keppler" "0" "81" "74" "74" "77" "31" "37"
"W0" "IDF SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Hauser" "0" "77" "85" "76" "78" "41" "34"
"W1" "1DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Leiner" "0" "76" "87" "79" "67" "38" "37"
"W2" "2DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Staden" "0" "77" "76" "74" "74" "37" "37"
"W3" "3DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Boysen" "0" "70" "87" "68" "69" "40" "42"
"W4" "4DF SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Schmager" "0" "75" "84" "73" "78" "36" "35"
"X0" "IIDF SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Scholz" "0" "83" "81" "67" "78" "37" "34"
"X1" "5DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Sarnow" "0" "88" "85" "81" "80" "37" "44"
"X2" "6DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Grieme" "0" "74" "83" "71" "74" "32" "30"
"X3" "7DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Schulze" "0" "90" "87" "71" "81" "33" "37"
"X4" "8DF SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Altrogge" "0" "75" "88" "69" "79" "39" "46"
"Y0" "IIIDF SS Schtz" "2Lt" "Waeckerle" "0" "81" "83" "77" "80" "43" "36"
"Y1" "9DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Harmel" "0" "82" "94" "70" "74" "46" "39"
"Y2" "10DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Barthelmes" "0" "75" "84" "75" "75" "44" "34"
"Y3" "11DF SS Schtz" "Sgt" "Kepplinger" "0" "80" "89" "75" "70" "30" "39"
"Y4" "12DF SS MG34 " "Sgt" "Krueger" "0" "77" "86" "78" "70" "47" "45"
"Z0" "1DF 8cm GrW" "2Lt" "Kreutz" "0" "63" "68" "69" "39" "33" "78"
"Z1" "2DF 8cm GrW" "Sgt" "Gast" "0" "76" "75" "74" "36" "36" "82"
"Z2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Boeckmann" "0" "56" "75" "75" "47" "75" "44"
"[0" "1DF 75mm leIG" "2Lt" "Preiss" "0" "63" "70" "69" "43" "37" "73"
"[1" "2DF 75mm leIG" "Sgt" "Erpsenmuller" "0" "71" "79" "72" "42" "40" "75"
"[2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Rumohr" "0" "69" "70" "82" "34" "70" "39"
"[3" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Buenning" "0" "63" "67" "81" "42" "74" "40"
"\0" "1DF 37mm PaK" "2Lt" "Ax" "0" "67" "69" "72" "43" "43" "68"
"\1" "2DF 37mm PaK" "Sgt" "Seegerer" "0" "67" "62" "68" "35" "33" "79"
"\2" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Zinn" "0" "71" "72" "74" "46" "73" "43"
"\3" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Wurach" "0" "61" "73" "75" "42" "72" "38"
"]0" "1 SdKfz 10/4 " "1Lt" "Ostendorff" "0" "60" "60" "75" "35" "82" "40"
"]1" "2 SdKfz 10/4 " "Sgt" "Dreike" "0" "66" "66" "69" "31" "69" "40"
"^0" "3 SdKfz 10/4 " "1Lt" "Meyer" "0" "55" "60" "81" "37" "78" "32"
"^1" "4 SdKfz 10/4 " "Sgt" "Rentrop" "0" "69" "78" "74" "33" "70" "40"
"_0" "1 Pioniere" "2Lt" "Blumberg" "0" "87" "80" "71" "71" "30" "36"
"_1" "2 Pioniere" "Sgt" "Becker" "0" "66" "76" "66" "74" "43" "42"
"_2" "3 Pioniere" "Sgt" "Tietz" "0" "63" "84" "72" "73" "37" "39"
"_3" "Sturmpioniere" "Sgt" "Ullrich" "0" "78" "90" "74" "72" "37" "45"
"_4" "SS Pi MG34 " "Sgt" "Brosow" "0" "70" "79" "77" "69" "37" "39"
"_5" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Schmelzer" "0" "74" "92" "69" "34" "67" "38"
"_6" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Fleischer" "0" "77" "94" "67" "41" "78" "38"
"_7" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Boden" "0" "87" "83" "70" "34" "76" "37"
"_8" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Arnold" "0" "85" "82" "73" "38" "73" "44"
"_9" "Krupp Kfz 69" "Sgt" "Rieflin" "0" "82" "87" "74" "34" "70" "34"
"`0" "11 SdKfz 231-8" "Cpt" "Brandt" "0" "81" "72" "75" "39" "76" "36"
"`1" "21 SdKfz 231-8" "Sgt" "Lehmann" "0" "80" "79" "77" "35" "78" "40"
"a0" "11 SdKfz 221" "1Lt" "Krag" "0" "60" "81" "69" "35" "75" "34"
"a1" "21 SdKfz 221" "Sgt" "Wulf" "0" "69" "79" "75" "41" "76" "38"
"b0" "11 Kradschtz" "2Lt" "Harzig" "0" "62" "63" "76" "72" "39" "42"
"b1" "21 Kradschtz" "Sgt" "Vogt" "0" "67" "77" "79" "69" "36" "44"
"b2" "31 Kradschtz" "Sgt" "Klingenberg" "0" "76" "72" "82" "69" "37" "33"
"c0" "11 Spaehtrp" "2Lt" "Siegling" "0" "73" "79" "75" "72" "38" "40"
"c1" "21 Spaehtrp" "Sgt" "Auer" "0" "61" "76" "68" "78" "41" "36"
"c2" "31 Spaehtrp" "Sgt" "Hinze" "0" "65" "74" "69" "77" "42" "40"
"d0" "Stoewer SdKfz 4" "1Lt" "Grunewalder" "0" "74" "77" "76" "42" "71" "36"
"d1" "Stoewer SdKfz 4" "Sgt" "Schmidt" "0" "69" "74" "75" "42" "81" "38"
"d2" "Stoewer SdKfz 4" "Sgt" "Fick" "0" "63" "67" "76" "35" "77" "38"
"e0" "12 SdKfz 231-8" "Cpt" "Weidinger" "0" "79" "85" "76" "38" "72" "33"
"e1" "22 SdKfz 231-8" "Sgt" "Poetschke" "0" "79" "91" "80" "41" "82" "35"
"f0" "12 SdKfz 221" "1Lt" "Weiss" "0" "66" "79" "77" "42" "77" "38"
"f1" "22 SdKfz 221" "Sgt" "Scherg" "0" "64" "74" "66" "38" "76" "35"
"g0" "12 Kradschtz" "2Lt" "Pachur" "0" "69" "74" "75" "81" "44" "40"
"g1" "22 Kradschtz" "Sgt" "Bader" "0" "61" "60" "72" "74" "43" "36"
"g2" "32 Kradschtz" "Sgt" "Schwinke" "0" "81" "83" "78" "72" "36" "36"
"h0" "12 Spaehtrp" "2Lt" "Geiger" "0" "62" "76" "75" "66" "30" "33"
"h1" "22 Spaehtrp" "Sgt" "Schnabl" "0" "71" "80" "78" "76" "45" "41"
"h2" "32 Spaehtrp" "Sgt" "Pavelka" "0" "60" "75" "79" "81" "41" "38"
"i0" "Stoewer SdKfz 4" "1Lt" "Schadlich" "0" "71" "79" "72" "38" "75" "36"
"i1" "Stoewer SdKfz 4" "Sgt" "Kroeger" "0" "57" "74" "76" "45" "78" "46"
"i2" "Stoewer SdKfz 4" "Sgt" "Buch" "0" "68" "84" "74" "38" "72" "38"

In "true troop" cost points, this combat group ended up costing 3297 points. It's huge, yes, but they are relatively few motorized elements. In the scale of SPWaW, I saw no need to buy motorized infantry at all, with the exception of the engineers and scout patrols. The infantry is still king of the battlefield, and as was the historical case, other than the six ATGs, AT defense is sorely lacking. No AT rifles at all (they weren't readily available until 1940). There's little AA defense either, except for the four SP flakwagons. The burden of battle, as was always the case, rests with the landsers, but these guys are the highly-motivated SS Schuetzen (riflemen).

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/22/2006 3:28:59 AM

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I'm currently working a German Long Campaign. I'm sorry, I'm trying to read your OOB. What's your ratio of Infantry vs. Engineers? With the assaults, I always seem to have too few Eng.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/22/2006 4:55:00 PM

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Buy extra platoons of engineers with your extra points before any assault.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/22/2006 11:34:11 PM

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Flame tanks clear minefields far faster than engineers. Use arty/engineers to find the field, then turn off all flame-tank secondary weapons. From an adjacent hex, 'Z' the mined hex. Clears them out very quickly...

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/22/2006 11:41:09 PM

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quote:

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Flame tanks clear minefields far faster than engineers. Use arty/engineers to find the field, then turn off all flame-tank secondary weapons. From an adjacent hex, 'Z' the mined hex. Clears them out very quickly...

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Ya, but that's kinda cheesy...

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/23/2006 12:15:02 AM

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/23/2006 6:01:49 AM

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So robot, you don't have many Engineers in your core force? You buy them as support on assaults? Or flame tanks....

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/23/2006 4:02:36 PM

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Yes dr in assaults i buy extra as support. very seldom do i buy flame tanks sometime mine clear tanks i do buy one or two. One platoon of engineers is always attatched to every company. they make forr good pi;llbox busters.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/24/2006 6:51:43 AM

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I went with a core force of 1 Panzer co, 1 SS Rifle co, 1 regular Rifle co, and 1 Engineer co, backed with a few Flak 88's and some 81mm mortars, as well as a number of trucks to move the flaks around. This is starting sept 1939. Whether I'll do any good with that force is another thing entirely; thus far, I've only managed one DV; and that was a defense, using a number of heavy ATGs and a number of Panzer IVs which knocked the living crap out of the brits before they could bring heavy fire into my posistions. Add in a strange lack of british artillery (I'm still trying to figure that one out) and it was a slaughter. I had limited arty as well, but I had assumned that I'd be hit with at least some mortar fire. Instead my retreat hexes were pounded, and my force was unmolested.

One thing I did do is drop all ATRs for more artillery. While early in the war they may have been useful, I've never had any success against any kind of armoured vehicle; mostly the fire and do a little damage, then get slaughtered by MG fire. I wouldn't take any of this as a good thing to do, given my limited experience.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 1/25/2006 7:07:17 AM

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Here's another idea -- to simplify core purchases, I modified my USMC formations to create self-contained Combat Teams.

A 1942 Combat Team looks like this:

1. Co HQ
2. Light tank section (three M2A4 or M3)
3. One 75mm GMC
4-6. Three Inf Platoons (each with one Plt HQ, three Rifle Sqd, one BAR sqd, two .30 MMG and one 60mm mortar)
7. Engineer section (two eng sqd)
8. Inf Recon Sqd (three recon patrols)
9. One 81mm mortar w/Jeep BT
10. One 37mm ATG w/Jeep

All I gotta do is buy a command transport vehicle and three of these combat teams, and my battalion landing team is complete.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 2/7/2006 10:33:54 PM

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I've been playing with Infantry company formations a bit. Latest, I've replaced the AT with Engineers Plt, Light mortars with a Sniper, and the lonely Inf squad that sets in the first formation by himself is either replaced by heavy infantry, or elite infantry. Latest campaign agaisnt the Poles haven't shown the capabilities of the 4 companies set up this way, as the two Panzer cos have pretty well stalled the entire Polish attack singlehandedly. The battle would probably be over now if the visibility wasn't so poor that you have to be right on them to see them. My ATGs and Howitzers haven't even fired a shot, and the three companies I placed in forward positions have only shifted positions slightly; while Co D sits in reserve. I have to say that with such poor vis, my Snipers haven't been given a work out yet. I've established at least 5 cos of Polish infantry, with a co of Calvary to boot and a section of really light tanks. I've wiped out the tanks, and halved the calvary strength; and the infantry has lost at least a co and a half, all by turn 4. Again, enemy arty seems to not know what the hell it's doing, nothing has hit anywhere near any of my positions, just randomly behind me.

Also a question. I noticed while messing with the Soviet Union that they had Conscript companies avaliable. Has anyone actually used them? I slapped together a Conscript company in place of a Rifle co, but they pretty well did nothing as that battle was over before they could fight anything; and their position was too far away to see any real action.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 2/8/2006 4:40:02 AM

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Yes I use conscripts to harras the enemys backfield a lot. There very good at taking out hiddin mortars and at guns. Plus they do fairly well against tanks if there close enough. They just dont carry enough molotov cocktails is the only thing i dont like about them.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 2/12/2006 10:18:37 AM

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Out of a random mood after watching a thing on the Military channel about Pointe Du Hoc; I put together a US Ranger battalion. Three Ranger companies, each set up like this:

6x US Army Rangers Sec
2x US Army Engineers
1x US FT Engineers
3x M3 Halftracks
2x M5A1 Stuart Light Tanks
5x M4A3 Sherman Medium Tanks
4x M10 Wolverine Tank Destroyers

I replaced the M1/9 Bazooka crews with the M10s, Mortar crews with the Shermans, The '0' unit (solo Ranger sec) was replaced with 2 Ranger secs, .30cal cres replaced with Stuarts, and one pair of Rangers replaced with an Engineering platoon (which included the M3s).

Thus far, I've fought a meeting engagement, with decent visibility, and curbstomped the germans, with only 4 AFVs destroyed, two damaged, and 33 men killed. Second battle is a Delay, and I've managed to destroy a number of halftracks, sig33s, StugIIIs and a few Panzer IVs at long range. The ATGs I bought for support have yet to fire. The M3s have proven to be adequet replacements for the lost MGs. My infantry has seen very little actual combat; save for one company which attacked two enemy ATGs (that did the most damage against my tanks) and destroyed them in the first battle.

I purchase artillery and such with my support points. I almost always choose arty that is capable of long range fire. Leftover points have picked up some snipers, usually only two or three.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 4/6/2006 8:36:15 AM

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My WW2 Russian core force (june 1941):
1 Heavy tank company 5 KV 1A
1 meduim tank company 9 T34 41
1 rifle company (12x rifle 3x 50mm moratrs 2x 12.7 HMG)
1 conscript company (10x conscript)
2 recon platoons (2x 4-men recons)
1 moto rifle platoon (4x rifle 1 HMG + truks)
Fwd observer
4x 76mm ATG + 5 truks
4x SP-AA MG trucks
6x 82mm mortars
ammo dump

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 4/13/2006 3:54:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: serg3d

My WW2 Russian core force (june 1941):
1 Heavy tank company 5 KV 1A
1 meduim tank company 9 T34 41
1 rifle company (12x rifle 3x 50mm moratrs 2x 12.7 HMG)
1 conscript company (10x conscript)
2 recon platoons (2x 4-men recons)
1 moto rifle platoon (4x rifle 1 HMG + truks)
Fwd observer
4x 76mm ATG + 5 truks
4x SP-AA MG trucks
6x 82mm mortars
ammo dump

That one is pretty good,, BUT, which mech.exe are you using? As the Russians, I went BIG, as in 8.403 their ratings on exp/morale are pretty low.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 4/13/2006 4:22:47 AM

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As a US Marine Battalion Combat Team commander, I keep tweaking the "ideal" composition.

At present, the Combat team has three rifle platoons, three MMG sections, three 60mm mortars, an engineer section, and a inf recon squad. This is a reinforced rile company.

Now, to fill out my reinforced Battalion Landing Team, I buy three of these Combat teams, plus the following:

1) a transport vehicle for the battalion commander
2) three M2A4 tank platoons --15 tanks (special dispensation from division HQ-- a bn normally had no more than a single tank platoon assigned to it)
3) two M3 SP 75mm (assigned from regimental special weapons bn)
4) four 81mm mortars (two sections)
5) two 37mm ATGs (a 1942 bn should really have 4 or 6)
6) two 50-cal AAMGs, carried by jeeps (gotta have some sort of AA defense, standard for 1942 bn TOE)

Note: even in 1942, a Marine battalion, as inexperienced as the troops were, had access to an impressive amount of firepower. Apart from their high morale, the truth is, the sheer volume of ordnance they could unleash upon their Japanese opponents is what saved their butts. 18 MMGs is nothing to sneeze at. Add the 9 light mortars and 4 medium mortars, and even without the armor, that's a well-armed force.

No matter to me: I'd much rather spend rounds than spend lives.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 4/14/2006 11:56:40 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

quote:

ORIGINAL: serg3d

My WW2 Russian core force (june 1941):
1 Heavy tank company 5 KV 1A
1 meduim tank company 9 T34 41
1 rifle company (12x rifle 3x 50mm moratrs 2x 12.7 HMG)
1 conscript company (10x conscript)
2 recon platoons (2x 4-men recons)
1 moto rifle platoon (4x rifle 1 HMG + truks)
Fwd observer
4x 76mm ATG + 5 truks
4x SP-AA MG trucks
6x 82mm mortars
ammo dump

That one is pretty good,, BUT, which mech.exe are you using? As the Russians, I went BIG, as in 8.403 their ratings on exp/morale are pretty low.

8.403, 1850 strating core points.
Simultaneously I started another campain (which is repoted at AAR/DAR forum in the post "on the spearhead"), less "elite" , more realistic for june 1941, also 1850 points

T34 company (m1940) (10 tanks)
BT5 incomplete light tanks company (14 x BT5 1x BT7A)
3x conscript company (3 x 10 conscript)
recon platoon ( 3x 4-men team)
4x 12.5 HMG
4x 76mm ATG
4x 37mm ATG
FO
6 x 82 mortars
Amoo Dump
4 x SP-AA MG trucks

This loosely based on historical Katukov forces (Katukov commanded tank divison, tank brigade and later mechinized corp).
In his memories "on the spearhead of the main advance" Katukov written, that orignally his tank divison had 33 BT tanks(which exactly unspecified) some ATG and motorized rifles. He lost all his BT, and being handed over tank brigade of T34 and KV. So this force is some kind of transitional between his original and late 1941 forces. If campain will go well I'll replace BT with KV-1/KV-2 (KV-2 are not historical, but fun anyway) and T34, and may be some 57mm TD.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 4/30/2006 3:52:29 PM

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, and the lonely Inf squad that sets in the first formation by himself is either replaced by heavy infantry, or elite infantry.

You should keep the A0 unit out of harm's way, since it represents your commander. You'll get at a big disadvantage if you lose that unit, Thus it might be a better idea to not change it and modify the rest of the force instead. Of course they will be more resilient as heavy or elite inf, particularly because of the greater number of men, so if that's your point then go ahead. But I've never had trouble with losing the HQ, particularly not against the AI, so I just keep the original unit.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 4/30/2006 9:47:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Svennemir

quote:

, and the lonely Inf squad that sets in the first formation by himself is either replaced by heavy infantry, or elite infantry.

You should keep the A0 unit out of harm's way, since it represents your commander. You'll get at a big disadvantage if you lose that unit, Thus it might be a better idea to not change it and modify the rest of the force instead. Of course they will be more resilient as heavy or elite inf, particularly because of the greater number of men, so if that's your point then go ahead. But I've never had trouble with losing the HQ, particularly not against the AI, so I just keep the original unit.

Yeah, I don't change the A0 until new weapons become available (just trading in the Springfields for Garands). I also trade in the command jeep for a Sherman in late 43 or early 44, just in case I can't keep myself from moving forward and getting into the action.

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RE: Yet Another Long Campaign Core Force - 7/20/2006 10:20:57 PM

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Wanted to bump this to the top, to see how the core force ideas have changed since the introduction of SPWaW Enhanced V2.

One thing I'm grateful for is that the concept of Combat Teams has been expanded.

For buys just learning the game, having a ready-made combined-arms team offers some good guidelines.

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