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RE: Test Thread - 2/6/2006 11:36:21 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/6/2006 11:39:13 PM   
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They ever find out why the Secret Service went after them? I remember that at the time the SS wasn't saying anything. Wouldn't even tell them if they were the target of the investigation or not.


I just glanced hurried at a couple articles from reputable sources, but there appears to be a bunch of stuff out there. I'm certain you could find an answer.


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RE: Test Thread - 2/6/2006 11:43:04 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 1:18:07 AM   
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Maybe that explains why the BSA went after Steve Jackson games! Somebody got fragged!!


BSA?


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When was this? I haven't kept up with SJG for some years. I know at one point the Secret Service seized all their computers (can't remember if they ever even found out why), but I think this is the first I'm hearing of BSA. Especially since Steve Jackson Games produced role-playing and desktop/board games, not computer games.



Steve Jackson (who was in my dorm a year or two behind me at Rice) had a government goon squad seize all his company's computers when he started doing a game about hackers (which may have been called Hackers - (edit: actually called Cyberpunk.) The government claimed it was promoting hackers, or some such nonsense*. Jackson eventually beat off the bizarre government attack, but it almost bankrupted his company...

"More than three years later, a federal court awarded damages and attorneys' fees to the game company, ruling that the raid had been careless, illegal, and completely unjustified. Electronic civil-liberties advocates hailed the case as a landmark. It was the first step toward establishing that online speech IS speech, and entitled to Constitutional protection... and, specifically, that law-enforcement agents can't seize and hold a BBS with impunity."


*EDIT : Originally, they claimed that Steve Jackson & company WERE a bunch of hackers, but this quickly fell apart under scrutiny...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 1:47:31 AM   
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Would this be the same Steve Jackson whose co-writer was Ron (?) Livingstone? As in they wrote the 'fighting fantasy' series of books? If so I read/played most them in my early teens.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 1:47:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		In researching this (trying to refresh my decrepit memory), it turns out one of the people working at Steve Jackson Games was the target of the Secret Service because he ran a computer Bulletin Board System that published a hackers E-zine (called Phrack, which i think only recently became defunct) and apparently knew some alleged hackers.

Bruce Sterling (a sci-fi writer noted for doing Cyberpunk stories) wrote a book about this whole mess, and it (the book) is now online at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 1:53:17 AM   
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Hi Robert,

Would this be the same Steve Jackson whose co-writer was Ron (?) Livingstone? As in they wrote the 'fighting fantasy' series of books? If so I read/played most them in my early teens.

Regards,

Steven


He gets confused with this guy (who is British) and the US Steve Jackson actually wrote three books in the series. This from Wikipedia:

"Jackson is a 1974 graduate of Rice University.

He is often mistaken for Steve Jackson, a British gamebook and video game writer, by those new to the hobby. The confusion is exacerbated by the fact that while the UK Jackson was co-creator of the Fighting Fantasy Game Books series, the US Jackson also wrote three books in this series (Scorpion Swamp, Demons of the Deep, and Robot Commando)."

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 2:42:47 AM   
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On that note it's bedtime over here. Night all.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 3:24:21 AM   
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Maybe that explains why the BSA went after Steve Jackson games! Somebody got fragged!!


BSA?


Business Software Alliance.

Microsoft's goon squad........

Redmond's Comfy Chair Administrators......



When was this? I haven't kept up with SJG for some years. I know at one point the Secret Service seized all their computers (can't remember if they ever even found out why), but I think this is the first I'm hearing of BSA. Especially since Steve Jackson Games produced role-playing and desktop/board games, not computer games.



Steve Jackson (who was in my dorm a year or two behind me at Rice) had a government goon squad seize all his company's computers when he started doing a game about hackers (which may have been called Hackers - (edit: actually called Cyberpunk.) The government claimed it was promoting hackers, or some such nonsense*. Jackson eventually beat off the bizarre government attack, but it almost bankrupted his company...

"More than three years later, a federal court awarded damages and attorneys' fees to the game company, ruling that the raid had been careless, illegal, and completely unjustified. Electronic civil-liberties advocates hailed the case as a landmark. It was the first step toward establishing that online speech IS speech, and entitled to Constitutional protection... and, specifically, that law-enforcement agents can't seize and hold a BBS with impunity."


*EDIT : Originally, the claimed that Steve Jackson & company WERE a bunch of hackers, but this quickly fell apart under scrutiny...


I wonder if SJG ever collected or if it is still tied up in court.


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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:14:43 AM   
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I wonder if SJG ever collected or if it is still tied up in court.


i am thinking he collected. The amount of money for the the government was piddling for them ($50,000 plus court costs, etc.) but considerable for Steve Jackson games. It's been over a dozen years since they had the award made by the court, and there was no mention of an appeal in the articles i saw.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:43:38 AM   
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Interesting stuff my friend. You learn something new every day!

On that note it's bedtime over here. Night all.

Steven


let me guess... YOUR last name is Jackson, too??

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 11:24:33 AM   
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Interesting stuff my friend. You learn something new every day!

On that note it's bedtime over here. Night all.

Steven


let me guess... YOUR last name is Jackson, too??



Thank God in this situation it's a no

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 1:06:32 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 3:30:57 PM   
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Oh, Thread, once more I bathe in your warm glow..............



So penguins like bathing in warm glows? i thought they were into bracing blasts of cold air and freezing cold sea water...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:17:40 PM   
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I think he's confusing the blazing fire from his Perch Vindaloo with a warm glow from the Thread.......

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:35:57 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:36:29 PM   
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Spider - Tarantula?

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:39:38 PM   
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and its not a spider/tarantula...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:42:01 PM   
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Eagle?

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:42:25 PM   
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Eagle?


not an Eagle...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:50:31 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 4:51:59 PM   
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Monkey?


no, not a monkey...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:00:41 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:01:40 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:01:45 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:02:21 PM   
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Fox?


nope.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:02:44 PM   
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A referee's stupid cat getting PUNTed?



no...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:03:16 PM   
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Mole rat?



nope!

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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:04:43 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/7/2006 5:05:17 PM   
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Polar bear?


no...

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