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91 Years ago today...... - 3/13/2006 1:17:44 PM   
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March 13, 1915

Battle of Neuve Chapelle ends

On this day in 1915, British forces end their three-day assault on the German trenches near the village of Neuve Chapelle in northern France, the first offensive launched by the British in the spring of 1915.

The Battle of Neuve Chapelle began on March 10, 1915, at 8:05 a.m., when British forces attempted to break through the German trenches at Neuve Chapelle and capture the village of Aubers, less than a mile to the east. In the opening assault, 342 guns barraged the trenches for 35 minutes, partially directed by 85 reconnaissance aircraft flying overhead. The total number of shells fired during this barrage exceeded the number fired in the whole of the Boer War (a conflict fought in South Africa between British forces and South African revolutionaries in 1899-1902)—a frightening testament to how much the nature of war had changed in less than 15 years.

Following the opening barrage, British and Indian infantry forces immediately moved in to attack the German trench line along a 4,000-yard-long front. Though the troops in the center moved swiftly and successfully forward, taking the front line within 10 minutes and capturing the village of Neuve Chapelle itself before 9 a.m., the artillery had been less effective on the left, and nearly 1,000 advancing soldiers, not knowing the enemy trenches had been left undamaged, had been immediately mowed down by German guns. Lead units on the right were told to halt and await further instructions, as they faced being isolated if they moved forward. Meanwhile, the Allied command, receiving news of the early gains in the center, ordered a general advance. The slowness and inaccuracy of communication between the front lines and the corps headquarters—the army had no wireless technology, and telephone lines at the front were usually cut or destroyed by enemy fire during battle—caused Lieutenant-General Sir Henry Rawlinson, the corps commander, to order a fresh advance when support troops were unprepared. In the confusion, some artillery even opened fire on friendly infantry. By the late afternoon, forward units were attacking without adequate artillery support or effective coordination, in failing light, against a hardening German defense.

On March 13, the third and final day of the Battle of Neuve Chapelle, British troops repelled a German attack and launched another of their own. They were forced to call a halt after less than two hours, however, as many units had been decimated. By the time the attacks were called off later that day, Allied forces had captured a small salient 2,000 yards wide and 1,200 yards deep, along with 1,200 German prisoners, at the cost of 7,000 British and 4,200 Indian casualties.

The Battle of Neuve Chapelle highlighted the primitive state of communications on the battlefield during World War I, which made it incredibly difficult for commanders on both sides to know where and when to effectively deploy their reserve troops. General John Charteris, director of military intelligence under British commander Alexander Haig, took another sobering lesson from the battle, writing that “England will have to accustom herself to far greater losses than those of Neuve Chapelle before we finally crush the German army.”



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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 12:47:53 PM   
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The slaughter from WW1 just never ceases to amaze me. All those charges into machine gun fire...

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 1:03:26 PM   
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Even now, when third world countries fight (ethiopia/erithea) in mountanous terrain they will still charge the enemies trenches strait through machine gun fire. A life is next to meaningles over there.....

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 1:37:18 PM   
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You wonder how anyone survived WWI. I guess they just had more people than bullets.

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 1:50:55 PM   
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Well, when they talk about a whole generation of British and French men disappearing, they aren't that far off...

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 2:13:31 PM   
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Indeed check out the population period for that time and the next few years after........

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 2:29:40 PM   
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I'm thinking about the so-called "Pals" battalions in the British Army, which encouraged young men to enlist in groups with their friends, allowing them to stay together for morale purposes. This meant, of course, that some small communities lost ALL their young men.

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/14/2006 3:49:54 PM   
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quote:

that some small communities lost ALL their young men.


Most often, they lost them in a SINGLE day.....



Fact is, that the British army got destroyed THREE times during the war.

The Pre-war professional army got decimated at Mons and "first" Ypres

Their volunteer replacements, known as "Kitchener's Men" got decimated at the Somme and Passchendaele.

The replacements of the replacements (conscription troops), got again decimated during the 1917/18 offensives.


If you ever come in the vicinity of Ypress, you MUST go and see it. The whole place was a slaughterhouse in the mud during WW1, whole battalions disappeared into the mud of 1916.
The Germans had the sense to retreat a few hundred yards to prepared concrete positions on higher ground during the winter of 1916, but the British high command did not want to give ANY ground to the Germans and the Brit infantry had to stay in the mud, to literally rot away and freeze to death in their shell holes and trenches during the winter The city itself (500 meters from the frontline) was literally shot to pieces, no stone was left on top of another in the area. It is unimaginable to think about the hardships of that place in the winter of 15/16


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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 2:15:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: captskillet

(a conflict fought in South Africa between British forces and South African revolutionaries in 1899-1902)


This didn't happen to be written by a Brit did it?

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 3:57:03 PM   
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Hi all,

My grandfather was captured by Russians in 1915 on Eastern front. He was wounded in arm (bullet passed through his wrist) and he got another bullet in his groin - luckily for him, instead of carrying his dog-tag around neck he had it in his pocket (in his pants) and bullet stopped when it hit it (I still have his dog tags!)...

Please note that we were then (for centuries BTW) part of Austrian-Hungarian empire.

He was transferred to Siberia and come home in 1922 (with WWI and after Russian civil war he was unable to travel).

Luckily for him he was forest engineer and he almost immediately found himself great post as a foreman on one big estate there (all Russian men, of course, were fighting in war and thus there was no one to take care of huge estate).

In the meantime my grandmother never lost faith that he would return (she waited as his fiancée for 8 years) and they got married in 1923.

Strangely enough when he and my grandmother got children (4 in all) he insisted that their first daughter would called Olga and second one Myra (my mother was their third daughter and my uncle their only son)... God knows why...

BTW, I still remember sitting in his lap as a child (he died in 1977 as almost 100 years old) listening to him talking about his military and post WWI adventures!


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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 3:58:57 PM   
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Interesting stuff Leo, thanks

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 4:03:26 PM   
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Yes. Very interesting. Reading up about either world war always makes it sound so clynical and detached (not to mention far away) But it wasn't all that long ago. My GF's grandmother was a nurse in London during the BoB. I had a facinating evening listening to her tales about the Blitz in particular. Added a real human element to something usually only recounted in text books.



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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 4:17:03 PM   
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Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Interesting stuff Leo, thanks


No problems guys - glad to be able to share that!

BTW, my family is rather old - although I am in my mid thirties all my grandparents were born at the end of 19th century (in 1880's and 1890's)...


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 4:19:12 PM   
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you are old!

soon you will be 40 and then you have to get......

the Exam

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 4:26:08 PM   
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Hi all,

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you are old!

soon you will be 40 and then you have to get......

the Exam

(sound of plastic glove being snapped onto hand)




Hey!

Watch your mouth young man - most of us here are 30-40-50...


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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 4:31:54 PM   
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geezer.



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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 4:35:56 PM   
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quote:

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In the meantime my grandmother never lost faith that he would return



I realised how this story ended even before i read the whole post - i mean - if your grandfather wouldn't return than you wouldn't exist, right?


seriously, interesting story

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 5:14:05 PM   
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quote:

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geezer.




Thief.

Read my sig.

You ain't no geezer

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:02:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedy

You ain't no geezer


True...i'm a young Robust male.

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:03:22 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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You ain't no geezer


True...i'm a young Robust male.


'Robust' = large and lazy

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:12:17 PM   
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Incorrect.

it means "Beefy"



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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:14:15 PM   
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You're just "Big-Boned", right?

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:14:35 PM   
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Or perhaps.....Lardy.

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:15:19 PM   
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Tubbs Lardy of ol' Seattle Town...

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:15:36 PM   
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'Beefy' = obese

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:16:17 PM   
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Tubbs. LOL T. Tubbs

Beefy Tubbs.

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:43:14 PM   
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quote:

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'Beefy' = obese


nope. Beefy = Studly



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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:44:42 PM   
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Of course tubbs....of course tubbs

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:46:49 PM   
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try to contain your jelousy

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RE: 91 Years ago today...... - 3/15/2006 6:53:32 PM   
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