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RE: Disaster in China - 3/12/2006 11:36:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well you are going to need every one of those reserve units for the Timor area, because when I sweep though it is going to be with the force of a tsuami.

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/12/2006 12:04:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		it is sth i need to learn as most of my enemies had problems with continuing game so far
maybe it is a good reason to play this game once as allied ?
see your ass kicked numerous times and later offensive with forces so strong ?
i think i need to learn patience and start thinking that i play for time not for more land
the main problem is that i'm aggressive of nature considering WITP . always try to hit fast and hard and kick once more when enemy on his knees. now it is gone. any offensive will be atrition war which should be avoided as far as aviation is concerned. I don't care land atrition cos pools for manpower armaments and vehicles are so high that i decided to stop most of factories. so enemy offensive in India is rather welcomed. Pacific is difficult as loser finish most often without defending troops.
timor area is most obvious place for allied players that do not want to risk their fleet unless they are guaranteed winners.
I start thinking there may be no good opportunity for carrier battle in early 43 and later it is not as much important

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/12/2006 8:32:39 PM   
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I don't care land atrition cos pools for manpower armaments and vehicles are so high that i decided to stop most of factories.


Now that HAS to be unusual. Tanks and other vehicles take iron, which the Japanese did not have in quantity. Their tank production was nothing like the Germans'. I would keep a close eye on vehicle levels: once Raver gets his counter-attacks going and his close air support units up to snuff, my guess is you will see heavy vehicle losses. (And for all posters: it's LOSSES, not LOOSES!)

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/12/2006 8:42:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you do we see an allied fight back in this one? It seems everything so far has been an IJN triumpf.

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/12/2006 9:51:04 PM   
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Raver promised action in 43 that's all I know - it is supposed to knock me down - all other info is confidential apart from it will be multi axis - there are 6 potential direction so you need to guess - the obvious one is via Timor / North PNG /less probable in salomens as caledonia is without allied soldiers
we have mid Oct 42 now and after short break we are on the move again
it is not triumpf as i have never seen any pacific fleet ship during campaign bigger than DD

today I decided to change a bit my a/c production - another 100k supply will be spend additionally within 1 month as I concentrate on interceptors instead of all around fighters
Supply situation as stated earlier is excellent - production centers are at 98-99% overall capacity and alot of changes has beed done to industry

as far as tanks are concerned - Ravere harass Benares in india regularly but FB tends to choose biggest unit so tanks are safe
in a few days i'll get 2nd arm div - I hope i will be able to face allied with 3 highly exp arm div on PI in 44/45 type 3 are not far away (stats) from shermans so it may be interesting
few days ago Raver tried to knock down my tanks shocking them with chinase army group
1 arm div - half strenght + 3 exp tank rgt vs 12 corps (remember - low supply) and they were kicked nice :-)
Kwantung div bought out few days ago - ready for duty on perimeter
another big unit will go in 2-3 days

the only thing I worry about are heavy bombers but it is sth everybody fears at this moment
i noticed that my fighters are quite capable of standing against 4E even escorted by enemy fighters - things will worse with introduction of P38 - expected workhorse of allied airpower

huge amounts of armament and vehicles are result of no land activity - I have almost no losses during 42 - only expenditures are new units - i wouldn't be surprised if I can deliver more replacemet to the front than allied player :-)
2 weeks ago I started 4&5th phase of my defensive plans
1. establish defensive lines - done
2. build up key bases for support + counterattack operations - done
3. fort all important frontline bases -done
4. fort secondary bases - underway
5. prepare 2nd defensive line - underway
it was an excellent idea to buy out Kwantung eng unit fast and move construction unit on Pacific
Fleet shape is excellent - i recently retrained pilots from Hiyo/Junyo and CVL which experianced heavy losses in spring.

that's all - no serious fights to report so this AAR remains more or less inactive

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/12/2006 11:42:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aztez

When you do we see an allied fight back in this one? It seems everything so far has been an IJN triumpf.



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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 11:26:16 AM   
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also direct result of talking about allied activity were higher sorties on last turn i got
21th first p38 seen over Lautem
it looks Kendari is no longer safe harbour

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 12:01:21 PM   
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it looks Kendari is no longer safe harbour



Yup...............first Kedari, next the world ! muu haaa haaaa!

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 1:44:35 PM   
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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 3:10:53 PM   
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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 7:35:28 PM   
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maybe not 100% typical fighter sqn but one of many frontline units



Sneer, would you explain a neewb like me how and why you have much more pilots than planes in a squadron? I assume you just disbanded other units into this group but could you explain to me why?

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 7:37:25 PM   
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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 7:48:27 PM   
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More staying power. I can't say I agree with that many extra pilots though. Some people like it though.


Hmmm, more pilots = less average fatigue? And you dont have to rotate your units in and out so often, which also means increased fatigue and the risk to be bombed to death while resting. Is this what you mean Mike?

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 7:53:25 PM   
Mike Solli


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Status: offline 		Yes, what you said plus simply the fact that the unit can take losses and remain in combat at full strength. If the number of planes drops below 36, you just turn on accept replacements (or in this case just leave it on with so many pilots).

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 9:32:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		most important to me is amount of reserve pilots - in this case they are ready to fight next day after heavy losses - this way I don't have dramatic loss of efficiency after 2-3 days of fights - remember that A2A in our game is far too bloody. this way i can withstand alied air offensive as nobody is able to fly whole week on offensive -meanwhile I can rotate

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 9:38:19 PM   
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most important to me is amount of reserve pilots - in this case they are ready to fight next day after heavy losses - this way I don't have dramatic loss of efficiency after 2-3 days of fights - remember that A2A in our game is far too bloody. this way i can withstand alied air offensive as nobody is able to fly whole week on offensive -meanwhile I can rotate



I'm playing CHS, so I dont know about the bloodiness that lies ahead of me, but maybe I should adopt such a technique as well. Currently I'm really pissed at AVG, that might be an option to deal with those bastards...

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 10:15:09 PM   
Mistmatz

 

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Status: offline 		Is it ok to split up a group into lets say 3 parts of 9 planes and then disband/withdraw into 3 different groups to increase their size? Or may that cause some bugs, maybe when they are not disbanded in the same turn or something...

Which brings me to another question whats the difference between withdraw and disband?

Withdraw = pilots to pool; Disband = pilots to other formation???
If so is the withdrawn/disbanded squad in both cases rebuild in 90 days?

Sorry for kidnapping the thread, btw...

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/13/2006 10:18:45 PM   
Mike Solli


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ORIGINAL: Mistmatz

Which brings me to another question whats the difference between withdraw and disband?

Withdraw = pilots to pool; Disband = pilots to other formation???
If so is the withdrawn/disbanded squad in both cases rebuild in 90 days?

Sorry for kidnapping the thread, btw...


Disbanded Unit: Pilots and planes into other unit at base while disbanded unit (no planes or pilots) has option to come back in 90 days.
Withdrawn Unit: Planes into other unit at base while withdrawn unit (pilots but no planes) comes back in 60(?) days. (Maybe 90 days, not sure.)

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 11:20:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mistmatz

Which brings me to another question whats the difference between withdraw and disband?

Withdraw = pilots to pool; Disband = pilots to other formation???
If so is the withdrawn/disbanded squad in both cases rebuild in 90 days?

Sorry for kidnapping the thread, btw...


Disbanded Unit: Pilots and planes into other unit at base while disbanded unit (no planes or pilots) has option to come back in 90 days.
Withdrawn Unit: Planes into other unit at base while withdrawn unit (pilots but no planes) comes back in 60(?) days. (Maybe 90 days, not sure.)


This sounds like when a withdrawn unit reappears it have the same pilots as before.
So there is no chance to get experienced pilots eg from transport squad into pool and then redistributed into fighter formation - correct?

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 11:29:55 AM   
Sneer


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but back to war
26th
on of my zero daitais decided - i never gave such order- to patrol Lautem
8 zeros intercepted
20 tomahawks
24 lightings
200 b17

losses
7 zeros
7 p40
4 p38
1 b17

i wait for a moment Raver decide to strike my really defended place
maybe Kendari is still safe in early 43 ???

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 12:32:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair my P-38 pilots are VERY green with exp of 56 and the P-40 jocks were flying at their extreme range limits.

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 4:13:39 PM   
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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 4:24:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		this few fights of my fighters showed that as long as i keep quality on my side I have nothing to fear - problem is how long will I manage to keep this quality
P-38 are welcome visit my airfields alone - not hiding behind mighty B17

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 4:27:14 PM   
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this few fights of my fighters showed that as long as i keep quality on my side I have nothing to fear - problem is how long will I manage to keep this quality
P-38 are welcome visit my airfields alone - not hiding behind mighty B17



So what would you say are the most important aspects to keep japanese pilot quality at high level?

I'm currently in 01/42, navy pool of course empty and due to ongoing expansion (= lots of theaters) I need every squadron I have and cannot afford to withdraw squads into others at the moment. Any ideas on timing the withdrawal?

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 5:31:42 PM   
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fight intensive and short - be prepared and knock down enemy fast
avoid attrition fights
do not press offensivly too much
Jan and Feb /42 are periods of losses as well as next 2 months - later you will have few month break - unless you decide to continue offensve

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 8:25:46 PM   
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This sounds like when a withdrawn unit reappears it have the same pilots as before.
So there is no chance to get experienced pilots eg from transport squad into pool and then redistributed into fighter formation - correct?



Correct.

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/14/2006 11:21:50 PM   
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It will be interesting to see what tune Sneer will be singing when "2" 72 plane FG of P-38's coming on a couple of sweeps over his AF's...

All Hail to "Forked Tail Death"

to the best of knowlegde i should be able to stand such raid for some time - later when pilots quality will be lower it will be difficult or impossible but not now
planes losses are not a factor - i'll have great reserves of all fighters as i like to have industrial overcapacity.
also planes will be better than historical ones so at least for some time it will be nice show to see
if only i had unlimited 50 exp pilot pool - i would not fear allied - unfortunately 30 exp pilots mostly kill themselves during transfers
it is game so we both try to do our best - so often our bases are overstacked and bombing raids are more often and biger - similarly cap is also bigger + bloody A2A model - there will be lot of lost planes and result from attrition war can be only one.
But the main purpose of this game is to give stand as good and as long I can. if we play on points Raver would be forces to sth risky after summer - now he is confident he can wait next few months and probably he is right as pace of this game is faster than historical because of easy logistics. so even if he stsrts later he can finish ahead of time

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another month passed - 3/15/2006 12:59:11 PM   
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RE: Disaster in China - 3/16/2006 1:01:35 PM   
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RE: Disaster in China - 3/16/2006 1:42:15 PM   
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china is like domino

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