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Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/21/2006 9:57:25 AM   
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US East
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Florida
New York
Washington


US West
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Carolina
Chicago
Oklahoma


Canada
Calgary
Montreal
Toronto
Vancouver


Schedules


Arizona Wranglers
Week 1 vs Florida Pirates
Week 2 vs Montreal Thunder
Week 3 at Calgary Bandits
Week 4 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 5 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 6 vs Toronto Blizzard
Week 7 at Toronto Blizzard
Week 8 at Vancouver Force
Week 9 at Vancouver Force
Week 10 vs Washington Federals
Week 11 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 12 vs Montreal Thunder
Home Games: 8 Div games: 2

Boston Breakers
Week 1 at Calgary Bandits
Week 2 vs Florida Pirates
Week 3 vs Florida Pirates
Week 4 at Chicago Wind
Week 5 at Vancouver Force
Week 6 at Chicago Wind
Week 7 vs Montreal Thunder
Week 8 at Chicago Wind
Week 9 at Montreal Thunder
Week 10 at Vancouver Force
Week 11 at Toronto Blizzard
Week 12 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Home Games: 3 Div games: 2

Calgary Bandits
Week 1 vs Boston Breakers
Week 2 at Chicago Wind
Week 3 vs Arizona Wranglers
Week 4 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 5 at Florida Pirates
Week 6 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 7 at Vancouver Force
Week 8 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 9 at Washington Federals
Week 10 at Florida Pirates
Week 11 at Vancouver Force
Week 12 vs Washington Federals
Home Games: 5 Div games: 2

Carolina Lightning
Week 1 vs Chicago Wind
Week 2 vs Washington Federals
Week 3 at Chicago Wind
Week 4 vs Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 5 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 6 at Calgary Bandits
Week 7 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 8 at Calgary Bandits
Week 9 vs Toronto Blizzard
Week 10 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 11 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 12 vs Toronto Blizzard
Home games: 5 Div games: 7

Chicago Wind
Week 1 at Carolina Lightning
Week 2 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 3 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 4 vs Boston Breakers
Week 5 at Washington Federals
Week 6 vs Boston Breakers
Week 7 vs Florida Pirates
Week 8 vs Boston Breakers
Week 9 vs Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 10 vs New York Blazers
Week 11 vs Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 12 vs Florida Pirates
Home games: 10 Div games:4

Florida Pirates
Week 1 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 2 at Boston Breakers
Week 3 at Boston Breakers
Week 4 vs Toronto Blizzard
Week 5 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 6 at Montreal Thunder
Week 7 at Chicago Wind
Week 8 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 9 vs New York Blazers
Week 10 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 11 vs New York Blazers
Week 12 at Chicago Wind
Home Games: 5 Div games: 4

Montreal Thunder
Week 1 at Washington Federals
Week 2 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 3 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 4 at New York Blazers
Week 5 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 6 vs Florida Pirates
Week 7 at Boston Breakers
Week 8 vs New York Blazers
Week 9 vs Boston Breakers
Week 10 vs Toronto Blizzard
Week 11 vs Washington Federals
Week 12 at Arizona Wranglers
Home Games: 5 Div games: 1

New York Blazers
Week 1 vs Vancouver Force
Week 2 at Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 3 at Toronto Blizzard
Week 4 vs Montreal Thunder
Week 5 vs Toronto Blizzard
Week 6 vs Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 7 vs Washington Federals
Week 8 at Montreal Thunder
Week 9 at Florida Pirates
Week 10 at Chicago Wind
Week 11 at Florida Pirates
Week 12 at Vancouver Force
Home Games: 5 Div games: 3

Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 1 at Toronto Blizzard
Week 2 vs New York Blazers
Week 3 vs Montreal Thunder
Week 4 at Carolina Lightning
Week 5 vs Montreal Thunder
Week 6 at New York Blazers
Week 7 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 8 vs Florida Pirates
Week 9 at Chicago Wind
Week 10 vs Carolina Lightning
Week 11 at Chicago Wind
Week 12 vs Boston Breakers
Home Games: 7 Div games: 5

Toronto Blizzard
Week 1 vs Oklahoma Outlaws
Week 2 vs Vancouver Force
Week 3 vs New York Blazers
Week 4 at Florida Pirates
Week 5 at New York Blazers
Week 6 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 7 vs Arizona Wranglers
Week 8 at Washington Federals
Week 9 at Carolina Lightning
Week 10 at Montreal Thunder
Week 11 vs Boston Breakers
Week 12 at Carolina Lightning
Home Games: 5 Div games: 2

Vancouver Force
Week 1 at New York Blazers
Week 2 at Toronto Blizzard
Week 3 at Washington Federals
Week 4 at Washington Federals
Week 5 vs Boston Breakers
Week 6 vs Washington Federals
Week 7 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 8 vs Arizona Wranglers
Week 9 vs Arizona Wranglers
Week 10 vs Boston Breakers
Week 11 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 12 vs New York Blazers
Home Games: 8 Div games: 3

Washington Federals
Week 1 vs Montreal Thunder
Week 2 at Carolina Lightning
Week 3 vs Vancouver Force
Week 4 vs Vancouver Force
Week 5 vs Chicago Wind
Week 6 at Vancouver Force
Week 7 at New York Blazers
Week 8 vs Toronto Blizzard
Week 9 vs Calgary Bandits
Week 10 at Arizona Wranglers
Week 11 at Montreal Thunder
Week 12 at Calgary Bandits
Home Games: 6 Div games: 1


Just for information.





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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/21/2006 10:38:14 AM   
Marauders

 

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/21/2006 10:59:41 AM   
Magnum357

 

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/21/2006 11:58:13 AM   
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What do you mean Marauders? Shaggy, are you complaining that its not producing a balanced schedule?


Well the problem is that a team should be playing half their games at home. That doesn't seem to be the case. On top of that, you should at least play each divisional opponent at least once (it should probably be twice with the longer schedule in this case). Scheduling is something that is fundamental to any football game.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/21/2006 2:58:17 PM   
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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/21/2006 3:45:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Magnum357

What do you mean Marauders? Shaggy, are you complaining that its not producing a balanced schedule?


Exactly. Boston has 3 home games and 9 away. Chicago has 10 home games and 2 away.

Divisional games are a mess. Montreal only plays 1.

Not to mention things like Vancouver playing Washington 3 out of 4 weeks in a row.

So, yeah, it's not balanced.


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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/22/2006 1:32:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I can understand what you mean by that. Maybe the reason why David didn't make the game have balanced schedules is because with such vast differences in league structures that it would be very difficult for him to make balanced schedules. And with leagues with Odd number of teams, its even harder to get perfectly balanced schedules. He probably figured that 3rd party developers could easily handle the Scheduling duties and let the users schedule there own games.

21SEC, I'm actually working on a schedule utility for the game, but its taking me some time too make it work right.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/23/2006 6:14:54 AM   
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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/23/2006 5:31:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shaggyra


quote:

ORIGINAL: Magnum357

What do you mean Marauders? Shaggy, are you complaining that its not producing a balanced schedule?


Exactly. Boston has 3 home games and 9 away. Chicago has 10 home games and 2 away.

Divisional games are a mess. Montreal only plays 1.

Not to mention things like Vancouver playing Washington 3 out of 4 weeks in a row.

So, yeah, it's not balanced.



Dude,

Can't you just be happy for one second? Who cares if the schedule is not balanced? It'll get fixed some other day. Just play the game and stop moaning so much.


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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/24/2006 3:04:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mbMike

Dude,

Can't you just be happy for one second? Who cares if the schedule is not balanced? It'll get fixed some other day. Just play the game and stop moaning so much.



Excuse me?

And just what are you doing to help things?

This is a problem with the game. I'm pointing it out here. Just like we are supposed to do.

Grow up or kiss my ......................................

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/24/2006 3:30:01 AM   
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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/24/2006 3:50:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm having the same problem with the 1959 NFL league. My Steelers are scheduled to play the Packers three times in a 14 game season, all on the road. While this would have been nice last season its a bit frustrating. I tried generating new scheldules but this imbalance showed up every time.

This is obviously an issue that needs attention. I am suprised that this is the first time its been reported.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 3/24/2006 1:20:44 PM   
Magnum357

 

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Status: offline 		Didn't the NFL only play a 12 game season during 1959? I may be wrong on that, would need too look that up.

As I said before, I'm working on a Utility as we speak to edit schedules, but its taking me a little longer then I thought. Also, at the rate things are going, my utility will only be useful with Custom made leagues because it seems the Stock League Databases are designed slightly differently then the Custom ones.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/2/2006 7:27:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I completed a custom 40 team league but the scheduling makes it unplayable at this point. Hopefully there will be at least a manual scheduler in a future patch. Tried the scheduler.txt utility from fbmax, but when it opens it gives me a "something is wrong, we're sorry for the inconvenience error". Anyone else having any luck with schedules at this point?

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/2/2006 8:09:13 PM   
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but you have to know the team ID number it doesn't show the team name

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/2/2006 8:53:52 PM   
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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/3/2006 2:15:10 AM   
Magnum357

 

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Status: offline 		Hey guys, just a quick update on my Schedule program. At this point, the untility can function, but I'm still having some problems with the program. Right now, it can load needed League file, but it only displays the ID number for each teams matchup. I wanted it too be able too display the actual teams name but I haven't figured out to do that yet. Also, I'm trying to add a feature that allows you too print out a .txt file of a Particular Teams schedule if the user wants too. This has also delayed my progress of releasing my utiltity as I'm having trouble trying to get Team names to display right in the program.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/3/2006 3:22:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just good to know that you are still working on it.Though I can't seem to get ANY utility from fbmax to work. This includes the database viewer and scheduler.txt.I'm sure it's something missing on my part, but I'm not saavy enough to figure out too much. In other words, the problem is probably between the chair and the keyboard.I may have to wait for a patch to get it done in the future. **crosses fingers**

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/3/2006 10:33:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Rottweiler, where you able to use the DataConstant Utility I made for MaxFB? It allows you too adjust Gameplay settings sort of like how Madden has its slider settings. The only other files that you need to make it run is the vb6 runtime files, but I think almost all up to date XP OS's should have those in Windows already.

That is another thing I'm trying to do while making my utilities. I'm trying to make them pretty easy to install and use on anybodies system. So you don't have to have the latest version of Access or Jet Database to make it function.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/3/2006 10:41:35 AM   
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I have a small league right now so it might not be too hard for me to make my own schedules

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/3/2006 11:27:23 PM   
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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/4/2006 2:16:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't tried the slider utility Magnum, but I will tonight (Monday). The other two utilities I tried needed other items that my machine must not have. I have XP with all critical utilities totally updated, but still get errors when running the others. I'll let you know how it goes with the slider.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/4/2006 2:29:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The utility seems to work Magnum, although before it gives me the window to adjust the values, I get a error message that says "The data binding DLL 'VB5DB.DLL' could not be loaded. If I click "ok" from the error message though it takes me to the value adjusting box.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/4/2006 12:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm... that is a little odd. It looks like your system is trying to use a VB5 .dll file to use with the utility with the Database. Not sure why though, as I completely build my Utilities with VB6. But I'm glad the Utility is still working out for you. Just out of curiosity, what OS are you using?

Right now, I still working on my schedule utility, but what I think I'm going to do when I release it on www.fbmax.com is too include the Microsoft VB6 Runtime file with the Utility. That will help people who do not have those Runtime files.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/5/2006 2:28:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am using a service pack 1 XP OS patched to SP2 and fully updated with the critical updates. This could be the problem, as I may have missed several dll files that were not critical based on SP2. Either way, I think it would be a smart move for you to include the runtime files with your utility. I know alot of old fbpro buddies who are gonna get into this game later and are running older (98se, 2000) machines.If the runtime files are installed with the game and the machine already has them, will they cause a problem? If not, IMO definitely include them.

Thanks, ROT

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/5/2006 4:25:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, not that I'm aware of. The install package that allows you too install Runtime files will either add or update the vb6 runtime files automatically. I agree with your friends about using older OS's to play Football Pro and other stuff. WinXP I guess is ok, but I still like using Windows 98 SE and 2000 more then XP.

Don't worry, I will include the Runtime files with my schedule utility, if I can ever get the darn thing to work right.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/28/2006 10:02:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another problem I didnt see listed thats far more problematic, is the same team playing two opponents in the same week.

I am trying to play a 24 team (2 conferences, 2 divisions per conference, 6 teams per division) league, with 16 games, and am consistently seeing the schedule showing teams playing twice in one week.


EDIT----- Ok, I was using the out of game utility to generate the schedules. When I didnt use the utilities after starting the season, before the draft, and let the schedule get generated while in game, I didnt have the problem. Needs more testing to be sure, but I think thats the problem I was having, especially from reading Davids earlier posts about his preference using the in game things over the utilities.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/28/2006 8:48:43 PM   
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Has anyone tried editing the schedules?



I have set up a 12 team college league with 2 divisions. The game created a schedule that I did not like. I opened the league file using access (following Shaggyra instructions in an earlier thread - linking a blank Access 2000 DB with the version the game created) After doing that I manually edited the schedule which runs for 12 weeks so that each team plays each other team one time only. (11 games To do this each team had to have an open date. After I made these changes, I opened the league data base with the game and it showed the schedule, just as I entered it.

I have not tried to run the season yet, so far all appears to be working correctly with this edit. Teams are entered in the schedule using numbers 1,2,3---12 instead of team names. When viewed in the game, the names are shown just as is the case with the schedules it creates.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/29/2006 3:32:26 AM   
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Has anyone tried editing the schedules?


I did something similar to what Deltadog did. However, instead of editing the games that had been created I deleted the generated games and inserted new rows into the schedule table. Same result, just a different way of getting there.

I don't have Access, so I use a Java-based SQL tool and use the Java JDBC-ODBC bridge to connect to the league database.

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RE: Schedule problems w/ 12 team league - 4/29/2006 5:24:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that doesnt work for those us of who not only dont have those tools, but who wont be getting them, and wouldnt know how to use them if they did.

We need it fixed in a patch.

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