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Die-hard CL Boise - 4/3/2006 10:37:55 PM

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I am playing v1.6 as JPN and I noticed again and again that CL Boise is a die-hard cruiser...

Caught it with a 2 CL und 4DD task force near Tawi Tawi. It received 26 hits but got away, but it also managed to sink IJN CL Kashii and 2 DDs!!!

While I have the greatest respect for ships that fight on bravely, this seems a bit odd...

What does a Navy have to do to sink the Boise? Send three aircraft carrier divisions?

Any ideas? Meanwhile I am gonna google for history or check Hull's book on the INJ battles to see if Boise was some sort of super cruiser.

Thanks in advance, reverred seniors...

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/3/2006 10:43:33 PM

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First, welcome to the Forum!

Ah, the Boise. My favorite Allied ship to hate.

It's definitely one tough mother. How do you sink her? Torpedoes. Keep your ships in Japanese Nell/Betty range and you have a chance to catch all those nasty Allied ships. In my PBEM game, I finally got the Boise (by Betties and/or Nells) on 20 May 42 after she bombarded Rabaul. I consider myself as having won that game by having sunk her.

She caused damage all out of proportion to her size.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/3/2006 10:47:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mighty Atomu

I am playing v1.6 as JPN and I noticed again and again that CL Boise is a die-hard cruiser...

Caught it with a 2 CL und 4DD task force near Tawi Tawi. It received 26 hits but got away, but it also managed to sink IJN CL Kashii and 2 DDs!!!

While I have the greatest respect for ships that fight on bravely, this seems a bit odd...

What does a Navy have to do to sink the Boise? Send three aircraft carrier divisions?

Any ideas? Meanwhile I am gonna google for history or check Hull's book on the INJ battles to see if Boise was some sort of super cruiser.

Thanks in advance, reverred seniors...

Go Boise, GO!!!!!

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/3/2006 10:51:59 PM

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/3/2006 11:48:37 PM

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if you had 2 kashi type CLs (i assume so as their speed makes other composition difficult)+4 DD( good odds that rather older types) the advantage of firepower was at Boise
so if crew was good enough to dodge torps and kept to medium range at least it had a good chance of inflicting losses on enemy while being safe against low caliber japanese weapon -
8 5.5" of CLs are no threat to boise armor as well as 4.7 and 5 " of destroyers - only torps count but it is low reliability weapon

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 12:34:35 AM

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That is one of the few Allied ships that I go on a major hunt for early game. I hate that ship with a passion. She can devestate IJN ships. I use 2 CV's and a 4 CA surface group to try and catch her and kill her.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 12:40:35 AM

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I have a strong suspicion that CL Boise is hard coded in some way...

BTW, I love her.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 12:48:40 AM

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Boise is a Brooklyn class light cruiser. It's bristling with high performance 6" guns and has almost heavy cruiser armor. She also is, along with the Prince of Wales, the most modern ship in the SRA area on december 7th. The only bad thing about her is her moderate night experience.

Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.

Bring in heavy cruisers, or better yet, use your aircraft.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 12:51:44 AM

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Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.

and that's saying something about Japanese CLs.......

By the way, I think you're being generous about the Katori class in particular and Japanese CLs in general.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 1:32:26 AM

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quote:

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Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.

and that's saying something about Japanese CLs.......

By the way, I think you're being generous about the Katori class in particular and Japanese CLs in general.

Well, the other CL's (aside from the Tenryu's) atleast have a nice battery of long lances. They do fine vs enemy destroyers too, with their armor and 5.5" guns. IIRC their role was planned as a destroyer leader in the first place. Now if they were armed with those nice 6.1" guns things would have been quite different.

Alas, small japanese sailors couldn't handload those shells well and no automatic system was available

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 1:32:28 AM

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quote:

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Boise is a Brooklyn class light cruiser. It's bristling with high performance 6" guns and has almost heavy cruiser armor. She also is, along with the Prince of Wales, the most modern ship in the SRA area on december 7th. The only bad thing about her is her moderate night experience.

Kashii class (or rather the Katori class into which Kashii belongs) are undoubtedly THE crappiest CL's afloat in WitP. Slow, weakly armed and armored. Designed as training cruisers. They don't even have the 24" torpedoes.

Bring in heavy cruisers, or better yet, use your aircraft.

Yep, A BB (Hei I think) got mine of Kendari. Not until it had sunk several transports though.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 1:59:35 AM

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Heh, I remember way back from Alikchi's playtest of Iron Storm 1, where the Boise also kicked a lot of Japanese keister...

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 4:51:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mighty Atomu
Caught it with a 2 CL und 4DD task force near Tawi Tawi. It received 26 hits but got away, but it also managed to sink IJN CL Kashii and 2 DDs!!!

Wow, the Boise had a bad day. I have had the Boise wipe out the initial Legaspi invasion escort TF containing a CL and about 8 DDs. It got them all in one engagement, none made it to port. The Boise was not seriously hurt.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 11:49:46 AM

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You guys remember a while ago when Boise had Proton Torpedo's......?

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 9:31:20 PM

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Since both my PBEM's are still in 12/41, I guess I need to do my own experiment with the Boise and a few Flush Deck DD's.

I'll probably send the other 2 Brooklyn class at PH over to join the fun and change the seaplanes over to Kingfisher for the extra search range.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 9:35:12 PM

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Use the Flush Decks sparingly in surface engagments. They are poor gunners, or perhaps it is poor guns. They are far more usefull for convoy escort.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 9:46:32 PM

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I know, because the Flush Deck are one of the few ASW ships rated at 4 to start the game.

These are the one's over in the PI and SRA.
The PH one's are assigned to escorting troop convoys.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 9:55:58 PM

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Wow, thanks everyone. Quite inspiring and rather interesting.

After a somewhat lenghthy discussion at Imperial Navy Headquarters, including some coordination calls with key Imperial Army leaders, I have decided to send the message out to the Imperial Navy:

Here is a translation:

SINK THE GODDAMN BOISE!!!

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 9:58:16 PM

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Easier said than done......

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 10:04:14 PM

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It has to be done. It is a matter of honor. I need more research...

Torpedos, huh?

I caught her on day 2 near Tawi Tawi while establishing a air base in Jolo. That air base should serve well for Bettys and Nells...

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 10:05:35 PM

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By the way:

Which are the best IJN cruisers, then?

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 10:13:11 PM

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Which are the best IJN cruisers, then?

The Takao class has the best armor. The Nachi and Mogami classes have the same main guns (10 eight-inchers). Interestingly, the Mogamis were built with 15 six-inchers, and the Brooklyn class were meant as an answer to them. But if I were you, I would think about using Kongo-class basttlecruisers.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 10:25:20 PM

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I've used the Flush-Deckers with some success in SRA and around SoPac as one or dual surface raiders.

Japan will frequently make quick un- or lightly- escorted runs into the undefended bases of SRA and SoPac with an AP/PG and SNLF. The little Flush-Deckers will clobber the lone APs, and will most likely blow the snot out an IJN PG. Put up the Flush-Decker vs. a real IJN DD, and it's toast tho. But you don't usually see real DDs escorting the grab-n-go TFs.

The range on the Flush-Deckers is prohibative. But with the relative closeness of bases in SRA and SoPac, they can can bounce around to various fuel sources well enough.

You can keep going with lone Flush-Deckers as SRA initially starts to cave (and you see some Japan LBA showing up). The singl-ship TF, and their high speed/maneuver ratings is a mild defense vs. a -few- bombers (your AAA sucks). But you gotta back off tho, once the enemy LBA starts to dominate.

And Flush-Deckers are cheap enough, that if one or two goes down, I don't worry about it.

The RN D-class (older and slower) class CLs are fair lone surface raiders also (and they trump the IJN DDs and, even some of the CLs). I don't expend them all in this way tho, I save a few for returns to King George when he asks for them.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 10:49:15 PM

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Feinder's comments remind me of something you should do. Never ever move a small unit in a single ship. One of the nasty Allied subs gets lucky and that unit is gone. I always use at least 2 ships per unit.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/4/2006 10:59:55 PM

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quote:

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The RN D-class (older and slower) class CLs are fair lone surface raiders also (and they trump the IJN DDs and, even some of the CLs). I don't expend them all in this way tho, I save a few for returns to King George when he asks for them.

I've grown to love the D-class CL's for two reasons.

One, they are RN ships and have very good nigh experience
two, they carry torpedoes, which combines nicely with reason #1

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/5/2006 12:19:16 AM

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Well - whatever you say, but at least I got a trade off:

Jolo and Davao have fallen on day four, and so I was able to station some Bettys, Nells, Sallys and Dive Bombers there. ASW patrols are forcing the Subs to keep a low profile...

The Boise slipped away. But I did catch lots of convoys... and the AVD William B. Preston...

Meanwhile, Kongo and Haruna with 3 CAs, 1 CL and six DDs are cruising in the area...

By the way, the Boise according to Hull's "Battle History of the Imperial Japanese Navy" was in a TF to defend Balikpapan. But she did't make it to the battle as she hit some sort of rock in the sea and had to leave her task force...

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/5/2006 12:23:46 AM

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I always thought of Boise as my "bonus CL." She wasn't even part of the Asiatic Fleet, just happened to be there after escorting a convoy in.. Treat her like a superweapon

To sink her, aircraft are usually the key. Anything smaller than a CA has the potential to get wasted, and I think the Furutakas are actually slightly vulnerable (only six 8" guns, plus light-ish armour).

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/5/2006 12:33:01 AM

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Hmmmm... she's gonne.

I guess I will meet her again somewhere in the SRA... or later near Rabaul or PM...

The Betty crews are writing her name on the Torps...

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/5/2006 12:35:59 AM

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The part that sucks is that when you do sink her, she comes back as either a Cleveland or Baltimore class.

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RE: Die-hard CL Boise - 4/5/2006 2:17:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Feinder

I've used the Flush-Deckers with some success in SRA and around SoPac as one or dual surface raiders.

Japan will frequently make quick un- or lightly- escorted runs into the undefended bases of SRA and SoPac with an AP/PG and SNLF. The little Flush-Deckers will clobber the lone APs, and will most likely blow the snot out an IJN PG. Put up the Flush-Decker vs. a real IJN DD, and it's toast tho. But you don't usually see real DDs escorting the grab-n-go TFs.

The range on the Flush-Deckers is prohibative. But with the relative closeness of bases in SRA and SoPac, they can can bounce around to various fuel sources well enough.

You can keep going with lone Flush-Deckers as SRA initially starts to cave (and you see some Japan LBA showing up). The singl-ship TF, and their high speed/maneuver ratings is a mild defense vs. a -few- bombers (your AAA sucks). But you gotta back off tho, once the enemy LBA starts to dominate.

And Flush-Deckers are cheap enough, that if one or two goes down, I don't worry about it.

The RN D-class (older and slower) class CLs are fair lone surface raiders also (and they trump the IJN DDs and, even some of the CLs). I don't expend them all in this way tho, I save a few for returns to King George when he asks for them.

Flush decks are fine, if you need them, but if Im going to expend DDs on surface action I'd rather use 5" guns. The RN DD and the Dutch DDs both do well in DEI. I got a lot of mileage out of the Piet ....., whatever its name was. But DEI is ideal for small surface action. I even did well with a couple of PGs there.

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