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Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/19/2006 1:26:46 PM   
von Shagmeister


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Status: offline 		Thought I'd start this thread as a place to post up real life pilots for BTR (as of 17Aug43) and BoB (not sure of proposed start date for that as of yet).

Try and include their actual rank and number of kills (if known) for the relevant start dates or later date for units arriving later on.

Here is my 1st installment

Data is correct for 17Aug43 (unless otherwise stated). Many will already be in as I sent lots of data to JC. Kill figures still need to be properly cross referenced but are reasonably accurate (JG 26 figures very accurate), have posted the data so it can be included sooner rather than later.

Name; Unit; Rank (Position); # Kills

Pilots highlighted in bold already included

Grünlinger, Walter; Stab/JG 26; Ofw; 5 Kills
Philipp, Gerhard; Stab/JG 26; Hptm (Ia); 0 Kills
Hösl, ???; Stab/JG 26; Hptm (Adj); 0 Kills
Priller, Josef; Stab/JG 26, Obstlt (Kdre.); 91 Kills
Schmeinl, Hermann; Stab/JG 26 or 4./JG 26; Ofw; 0 Kills, ? Missions

Kranefeld, Kurt; Stab I./JG 26; Olt; 1 Kill
Borris, Karl; Stab I./JG 26; Hptm (Gr.Kdr.); 28 Kills

Jessen, Heinrich; ?Stab I.?/JG 26; Lt or Olt; 6 Kills

Oltmanns, Rudolf; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Pittmann, Helmut; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Schmidtke, Günther; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Schmelzer, Philipp; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Becker, Hans-Georg; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Beese, Artur; 1./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 15 Kills should be 1./JG 26 not Stab/JG 26
Heckmann, Alfred; 1./JG 26; Ofw; 57 Kills
Lindelaub, Friedrich; 1./JG 26; Ofw; 3 Kills
Matthiesen, Johannes; 1./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Hofmann, Wilhelm; 1./JG 26; Fw; 2 Kills
Söffing, Waldemar; 1./JG 26 (Recovering from wounds 28/7/43 (fit mid 4/44)); Ofw; 10 Kills
Schwan, Werner; 1./JG 26 (recovering from wounds 6/4/43 (fit 2/44); Uffz; 0 Kills

Ruppert, Hans; ?1./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Dietze, Gottfried; ?1./JG 26?; Lt; 2 Kills
Schnier, Ewald; ?/8/43 ?1./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Hüttig, Helmut; ?/8/43 ?1./JG 26?; Gefr; 0 Kills
Kretschmer, Horst; ?/8/43 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills

Draheim, Manfred; 21/9/43 1./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill, ? Missions

Heuser, Heinrich; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 3 Kills
Schild, Heinrich; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill
Thielmann, Hans-Joachim; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Hecker, Michael; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Kind, Herbert; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Willius, Karl; 2./JG 26; Lt; 34 Kills
Kunze, Klaus; 2./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill
Gäth, Wilhelm; 2./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 9 Kills
Sandoz, Hans; 2./JG 26; Gefr; 1 Kill
Schwentik, Horst; 2./JG 26 or Instr duties; Fw; 1 Kill

Gulecke, Johann; ?2./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Hartigs, Hans; ?2./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills
Seidl, Norbert; ?/8/43 ?2./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Schneider, Friedrich; ?/8/43 ?2./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills

Richter, Horst; 3./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Kaiser, Werner; 3./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Münch, Heinz; 3./JG 26; Uffz (or Fw); 3 Kills
Eichinger, Leopold; 3./JG 26; Ofw; 2 Kills
Grimm, Wolfgang; 3./JG 26; Lt; 2 Kills
Kiefner, Georg; 3./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill
Triebnig, Otto; 3./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Hermichen, Rolf; 3./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 35 Kills
Ahrens, Peter; 3./JG 26; Fw; 6 Kills
Scheyda, Erich; 3./JG 26; Fw; 13 Kills
Ullrich, Walter; 3./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills
Bäumener, Helmut; 3./JG 26 (Recovering from wounds 20/6/43 (fit early 9/43); Fw; 0 Kills

Kuhnert, Kurt; ?3.?/JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Vanderveerd, Franz; ?3./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Beer, Heinrich; ?3./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills


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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/19/2006 4:27:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		201 Josep Pips Priller 35 Stab/JG 26 German
202 Karl Borris 36 I/JG 26 German
203 Willhelm F. Galland 37 II/JG 26 German
204 Klaus Mietusch 38 III/JG 26 German
205 Wilhelm Freuworth 37 II/JG 26 German
206 Adolf Addi Glunz 37 II/JG 26 German
207 Rolf Hermichen 36 I/JG 26 German
208 Wilhelm Hofmann 37 II/JG 26 German
209 Heinz Hemethmuller 38 III/JG 26 German
210 Walter Matoni 37 II/JG 26 German
211 Wilhelm Mayer 37 II/JG 26 German
212 Johannes Naumann 37 II/JG 26 German
213 Waldemar Radener 37 II/JG 26 German
214 Hermann Staiger 260 12./JG 26 German
215 Gerhard Vogt 37 II/JG 26 German
216 Karl Charlie Willius 36 I/JG 26 German
4599 Wolfgang Rose 36 I/JG 26 German
4600 Helmut Menge 36 I/JG 26 German
4540 Emil Leitz 37 II/JG 26 German
4541 Karl Seebeck 37 II/JG 26 German
4542 Walter Grunlinger 38 III/JG 26 German
4543 Hans Dirksen 254 8./JG 26 German
4544 Gottfried Schmidt 38 III/JG 26 German
4545 Karl-Heniz Kempf 38 III/JG 26 German
4546 Erich Schwarz 254 8./JG 26 German
4547 Erwin Schohl 254 8./JG 26 German
4548 Adolf Tabbat 38 III/JG 26 German
4549 Erich Salewsky 38 III/JG 26 German
4550 Horst Sengpiel 38 III/JG 26 German
4551 Hinz Wodarczyk 35 Stab/JG 26 German
4552 Hans Werner Winter 36 I/JG 26 German
4553 Gerhard Schulwtz 36 I/JG 26 German
4554 Friedrich Schneider 36 I/JG 26 German
4555 Willi Kunz 36 I/JG 26 German
4556 Hans Bleich 37 II/JG 26 German
4557 Erich Linder 37 II/JG 26 German
4558 Hans-Georg Becker 36 I/JG 26 German
4559 Helmut Huttig 36 I/JG 26 German
4560 Max Groth 36 I/JG 26 German
4561 Waldermar Soffing 36 I/JG 26 German
4562 Gottfried Meyer 37 II/JG 26 German
4563 Heinrich Humburg 38 III/JG 26 German
4564 Joachim Gunter 36 I/JG 26 German
4565 Herbert Zimmermann 254 8./JG 26 German
4566 Artur Beese 35 Stab/JG 26 German
4567 Gerd Wiegand 254 8./JG 26 German
4568 Jan Schild 36 I/JG 26 German
4569 Werner Kraft 38 III/JG 26 German
4570 Hans-Georg Dippel 38 III/JG 26 German
4571 Helmut Hoppe 37 II/JG 26 German
4572 Dietrich Kehl 37 II/JG 26 German
4573 Peter Crump 37 II/JG 26 German
4574 Johannes Seifert 37 II/JG 26 German
4575 Wolfgang Neu 37 II/JG 26 German
4576 Wilhelm Phillp 36 I/JG 26 German
4577 Hans Ruppert 36 I/JG 26 German
4578 Siegfried Sly 37 II/JG 26 German
4579 Karl-Georg Genth 260 12./JG 26 German
4580 Werner Molge 37 II/JG 26 German
4581 Ludwig Satter 36 I/JG 26 German
4582 Hans Kukla 36 I/JG 26 German
4583 Arnfried Kohler 36 I/JG 26 German
4584 Alfred Teichmann 36 I/JG 26 German
4585 Johannes Aistleltner 38 III/JG 26 German

some may show up in different units as some were from before the Staffel change over and some were after


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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/19/2006 4:43:39 PM   
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Donner, Konrad Von; Stab II./JG 26; Olt; 3 Kills
Galland, Wilhelm-Ferdinard; Stab II./JG 26; Maj (Gr.Kdr.); 54 Kills
Hummel, Otto; Stab II./JG 26 or 5./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Schmidt, Karl-Heinz; Stab II./JG 26 or 4./JG 26; Lt; 0? Kills

Falkner, Gerhard; 4./JG 26;Uffz; 0 Kills
Gasser, Franz; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Günther, Martin; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Hanke, Erwin; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Bürger, Walter; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Butzmann, Hermann; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Glunz, Adolf; 4./JG 26; Ofw; 39 Kills
Roth, Willi; 4./JG 26; Ofw; 19 Kills
Heinemann, Ernst; 4./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill
Hoppe, Helmut; 4./JG 26; Lt (St.Kap.); 15 Kills
Weyrich, Rudolf; 4./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills

Wyrich, Heinz; 4/9/43 4./JG 26; Gefr; 0 Kills
Przybyl, Leo; ?/8/43 ?4./JG 26?; Obgefr; 0 Kills
Fischer, Hans; Instr duties or 4./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill

Gomann, Heinz; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 6 Kills
Krieg, Heinrich; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill
Hoffmann, Werner; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Kubon, Harry; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Sternberg, Horst; 5./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 19 Kills
Günther, Alfred; 5./JG 26; Ofw; 0 Kills
Lange, Friedrich; 5./JG 26; Lt; 3 Kills
Kehl, Dietrich; 5./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill
Kipping, Peter; 5./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Matoni, Walter; 5./JG 26; Lt or Olt; 6 Kills
Crump, Peter; 5./JG 26; Fw; 10 Kills
Pittmann, Hans; 5./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills
Freuwörth, Wilhelm; 5./JG 26; Fw or Ofw; 58 Kills
Gräve, Alfons; 5./JG 26 or 12./JG 26; Ofw; 1 Kill


Maletz, Gerhard; ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Scheu, Johann; ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; ? Kills
Berg, Heinrich; ?/8/43 ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Steinkühler, Werner; ?/8/43 ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills

Schilling, Franz; 6./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Scholz, Erwin; 6./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Berger, Walter; 6./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Jörg, Adolf; 6./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 0 Kills
Radener, Waldemar; 6./JG 26; Lt; 5 Kills
Lörzer, Hans-Günther; 6./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Naumann, Johannes; 6./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 20 Kills
Mayer, Wilhelm; 6./JG 26; Fw; 4 Kills
Vogt, Gerhard; 6./JG 26; Fw; 13 Kills
Zeschke, Karl-Heinz; 6./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills
Ehret, Karl; 6./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills

Georgi, Rudolf; ?6./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Wölfert, Hans; ?6./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills


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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/19/2006 5:41:26 PM   
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could go though the list I posted of who I already have in the game and cross out yours if they on my list, it will make it easier on me when I try and add yours in

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/19/2006 8:45:30 PM   
von Shagmeister


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Status: offline 		I'll go through and repost the ones not already in.

Edit

I've highlighted the ones already included

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/19/2006 10:26:10 PM   
von Shagmeister


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

4599 Wolfgang Rose 36 I/JG 26 German
4600 Helmut Menge 36 I/JG 26 German
4551 Hinz Wodarczyk 35 Stab/JG 26 German
4552 Hans Werner Winter 36 I/JG 26 German
4553 Gerhard Schulwtz 36 I/JG 26 German
4555 Willi Kunz 36 I/JG 26 German
4560 Max Groth 36 I/JG 26 German
4561 Waldermar Soffing 36 I/JG 26 German
4564 Joachim Gunter 36 I/JG 26 German
4576 Wilhelm Phillp 36 I/JG 26 German
4581 Ludwig Satter 36 I/JG 26 German
4582 Hans Kukla 36 I/JG 26 German
4583 Arnfried Kohler 36 I/JG 26 German
4584 Alfred Teichmann 36 I/JG 26 German


some may show up in different units as some were from before the Staffel change over and some were after



Here are corrections to I./JG 26 pilots already included. If I./JG 26 is anything to go by there are many serious errors, probably easier just to start from scratch and re-enter the lot. (dates are European standard DD/MM/YY)

4599 Wolfgang Rose 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 4./JG 26 4/44 from trng
4600 Helmut Menge 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 4./JG 26 11/43 from trng
4551 Hinz [Heinz] Wodarczyk 35 Stab/JG 26 German - Joined I./JG26 2/44 from trng
4552 Hans Werner Winter 36 I/JG 26 German - flying with 7./JG 26 as of 8/5/44
4553 Gerhard Schulwtz [Schulz] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng
4555 Willi Kunz 36 I/JG 26 German - KIA with 7./JG 26 1/1/45 – no other details
4560 Max Groth 36 I/JG 26 German - WIA 7/4/44 with 1./JG 26 – 1st mention
4564 Joachim Gunter [Günther] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined I./JG 26 9/43
4576 Wilhelm Phillp [Philip] 36 I/JG 26 German - transferred to JG 54 1/11/42
4581 Ludwig Satter [Sattler] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined I./JG 26 1/44 from trng
4582 Hans Kukla 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 4./JG 26 6/44 from trng
4583 Arnfried Kohler 36 I/JG 26 German - KIA 19/3/45 with 13./JG 26 – no other details
4584 Alfred Teichmann 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined II./JG 26 11/43 from trng



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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 1:15:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

208 Wilhelm Hofmann 37 II/JG 26 German
4540 Emil Leitz 37 II/JG 26 German
4541 Karl Seebeck 37 II/JG 26 German
4556 Hans Bleich 37 II/JG 26 German
4557 Erich Linder 37 II/JG 26 German
4562 Gottfried Meyer 37 II/JG 26 German
4574 Johannes Seifert 37 II/JG 26 German
4575 Wolfgang Neu 37 II/JG 26 German
4578 Siegfried Sly 37 II/JG 26 German
4580 Werner Molge 37 II/JG 26 German

some may show up in different units as some were from before the Staffel change over and some were after



208 Wilhelm Hofmann 37 II/JG 26 German – flying with 1./JG 26
4540 Emil Leitz 37 II/JG 26 German - KIFA 28/7/43
4541 Karl Seebeck 37 II/JG 26 German - flying with 7./JG 26
4556 Hans Bleich 37 II/JG 26 German – joined I./JG 26 5/44 from trng
4557 Erich Linder 37 II/JG 26 German - 1st mention 29/1/44 with 8./JG 26
4562 Gottfried Meyer 37 II/JG 26 German - joined 9./JG 26 12/44 from trng
4574 Johannes Seifert 37 II/JG 26 German - Stab/Military Mission in Bulgaria, rejoined II./JG 26 9/9/43 as Gr.Kdr.
4575 Wolfgang Neu 37 II/JG 26 German – Instr duties (Unit ?), rejoined 8./JG 26 9/43
4578 Siegfried Sly [Sy] 37 II/JG 26 German – joined II./JG 26 3/44 from trng
4580 Werner Molge 37 II/JG 26 German – joined II./JG 26 11/44 from trng


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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 2:29:30 PM   
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4553 Gerhard Schulwtz [Schulz] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng




Schulwitz, Gerhard




Schulz, Gerhard

still a mispelling, will correct



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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 2:47:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Names may have spelling erros, books, transferring, or plain missing the keys, see any of those I will correct

Unit placements is based on books and docs, they may of moved, or changed from the time I see the info

I think I got to disagree with the idea that anybody not in the game as of Aug 17th does not get in

by that thinking, the 20th FG, the 55th FG, the 357th FG, JV44, JG52 should all have AI pilots, since they not in the game from Aug 17th ?



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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 3:12:40 PM   
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Stutt, Rudolf; Stab III./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill
Todt, Ernst ; Stab III./JG 26; Lt (Adj); 0 Kills
Mietusch, Klaus; Stab III./JG 26; Hptm (Gr.Kdr.); 45 Kills
Völmle, Dieter; Stab III./JG 26 or 7./JG 26; Lt; 0? Kills

Seebeck, Karl; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 2 Kills
Wöge, ???; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 2 Kills
Kirschner, Horst; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Patzke, Günther; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Dippel, Hans-Georg; 7./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 16 Kills
Kemethmüller, Heinz; 7./JG 26; Ofw; 74 Kills
Reischer, Peter; 7./JG 26; Lt; 5 Kills
Pape, Dietwin; 7./JG 26; Lt; 2 Kills
Burkert, Erich; 7./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Otto, Gottfried; 7./JG 26; Fw; 1 Kill

Broda, Günther; ?7./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Bannischka, Helmut; ?/8/43 7./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Mensing, Wilhelm; 19/8/43 7./JG 26; Fw; 0? Kills

Dirksen, Hans; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 3(4?) Kills
Schwarz, Erich; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 3 Kills
Schöhl, Horst-Günther [Erwin]; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill
Schmidtke, Kurt; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Wiegand, Gerhard; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Hager, Robert; 8./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 1 Kill
Heitmann, Hans; 8./JG 26; Ofw; 7 Kills
Holtz, Norbert; 8./JG 26; Obgefr?; 0 Kills
Ebersberger, Kurt; 8./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 29 Kills
Edmann, Johann; 8./JG 26 (Recovering from wounds 22/6/43); Ofw; 5 Kills

Zandenell, Erich; ?8./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Aistleitner, Johann; Instr duties or 8./JG 26; Olt; 12 Kills
Zirngibl, Josef; Instr duties or 8./JG 26; Fw; 4 Kills
Janda, Ernst; 3./JGr. Ost (St.Kap.(Fhr.)) or 8./JG 26; Olt; 2 Kills
Michel, Wilhelm; 31/8/43 8./JG 26; Hptm; ? Kills
Mayer, Hans; 10/10/43 8./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills

Holl, Walter; 9./JG 26; Uffz; 5 Kills
Steinberg, Günther; 9./JG 26; Uffz; 2 Kills
Hering, Heinrich; 9./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Schauder, Paul; 9./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 13 Kills
Dörre, Edgar; 9./JG 26; Fw; 8 Kills
Kraft, Werner; 9./JG 26; Fw; 1 Kill
Mössner, Werner; 9./JG 26; Fw; ? Kills

Erbskorn, Hans; ?9./JG 26?; Ofw; 2 Kills
Karl, Gerhard; 23/8/43 9./JG 26; Lt; 0? Kills
Bäder, Alfred; 27/9/43 9./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills

Schulwitz, Gerhard; 10./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill
Hadraba, Karl; 10./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Meyer, Johannes; 10./JG 26; Olt; 0 Kills
Leuschel, Rudolf; 10./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 5 Kills
Heck, Gert; 10./JG 26; Obfhr or Lt; 0 Kills
Sander, Hans-Walter; 10./JG 26; Flgr; 1 Kill

Pötter, Ludwig; ?/8/43 ?10./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills
Salomon, Heinz; 19/8/43 10./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Borounick, Erich; 23/8/43 10./JG 26; Ofw; 0? Kills
Ullmann, Helmuth; 23/8/43 10./JG 26; Gefr; 0? Kills
Guttmann, Gerhard; 3/9/43 10./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills

Laub, Karl; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 2(4) Kills
Hein, Hans; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Reichert, Alois; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Jenner, Anton; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
Hoffmann, Hermann; 11./JG 26; Ofw; 7 Kills
Kempf, Karl-Heinz; 11./JG 26; Lt; 57 Kills
Schmidt, Gottfried; 11./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill
Steindl, Peter (-Paul?); 11./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); ~9 Kills
Polster, Wolfgang; 11./JG 26; Fw; 1 Kill
Bürger, Peter; 11./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills
Wölke, Burghardt; 11./JG 26; Fhr; 0 Kills

Reinhardt, Klaus; ?11./JG 26?; Ofw; 0 Kills

Meyer, Alex; 12./JG 26; Uffz; 0? Kills
Fritzlehner, Fritz; 12./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills
David, Rudolf; 12./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 1 Kill
Trapp, Karl; 12./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 0 Kills
Grupe, Werner; 12./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills
Staiger, Hermann; 12./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 31 Kills
Würtz, Wilhelm; 12./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills

Menze, Josef; ?12./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 3:41:14 PM   
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did the Ia fly missions ?



Pflanz, Rudi

Pfützner, Alfred

Philipp, Wilhelm (I added a L, you forgot the P)

Pielmeyer, Kurt

Piesslinger, Josef

Pietruschka, Werner

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 3:50:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Unit placements is based on books and docs, they may of moved, or changed from the time I see the info


As I hope you know I've been seriously researching pilots careers for about 5 years. The data supplied is as accurate as possible for 17Aug43 unless otherwise stated.

quote:



I think I got to disagree with the idea that anybody not in the game as of Aug 17th does not get in

by that thinking, the 20th FG, the 55th FG, the 357th FG, JV44, JG52 should all have AI pilots, since they not in the game from Aug 17th ?


Who said anything about pilots in on 17Aug43 being the only real life pilots to be included. If a unit is in the game at start and individuals can be linked to that unit at the time they should be included with that unit.

For units arriving later in time any individuals that can be identified as being with that unit at that time should be included, unless they qualify for inclusion earlier on with another unit (ie JV 44, Erp.Kdo. 262 etc).

If you look at the list of Allied pilots I sent you (I presume you haven't bothered from your above statement) which includes the 55FG (I didn't get round 20FG or 357FG but did for many other later arriving 8FC units) you will see the pilots are included for the date the unit arrives in theatre or ones who join before the first mission flown by the unit.

If you don't think the data I provide or the points are make are valid or accurate I will bow to your omniscience and await the first beta.

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 4:12:20 PM   
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4553 Gerhard Schulwtz [Schulz] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng


Schulwitz, Gerhard

Schulz, Gerhard

still a mispelling, will correct




Schulwitz, Gerhard was flying with 10./JG 26 as of 17Aug43
Schulz, Gerhard joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 4:23:09 PM   
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I don't find a Gerhard Philipp

did the Ia fly missions ?



Pflanz, Rudi

Pfützner, Alfred

Philipp, Wilhelm (I added a L, you forgot the P)

Pielmeyer, Kurt

Piesslinger, Josef

Pietruschka, Werner


Some Ia's flew missions, but not sure if Gerhard Philipp was "non-flying"

Philipp, Wilhelm - sorry yes missed the 2nd p - transferred to JG 54 1/11/42 from 4./JG 26 - as of 17Aug43 ?3./JG 54?; Ofw; ? Kills

Pflanz, Rudolf - KIA 31/7/42 with 11.(H)/JG 2

Pfützner, Alfred - joined 5./JG 26 7/44 from trng

Pielmeyer, Kurt - KIA 31/5/40 with Stab I./JG 26

Piesslinger, Josef - KIA 4/11/44 with 1./JG 26, no other details

Pietruschka, Werner - joined II./JG 26 12/43 from trng

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 5/20/2006 5:51:14 PM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 10/9/2006 8:26:40 PM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/21/2006 2:15:59 PM   
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Here’s a list of pilots who were with 540 Sqn as of 17Aug43 (I seem to remember the last list I sent you was a bit light on 540 Sqn pilots), ranks are accurate for that date as are awards. The suggested experience range is based on their careers where that info is known. Full names are given where known

540 Sqn

F/O Baird, S.I. – Exp 65-69
W/C (C/O) Douglas-Hamilton, Lord Malcolm A.; OBE  – Exp 75-85
F/O Farlow, ??? – Exp 60-65
F/L Graham, ??? – Exp 65-69
F/L Hollick, ??? – Exp 65-69
S/L (Flt Cdr) Hood, Michael Douglas Sutcliffe; DFC – Exp 85-95
F/O Hosking, R.A. – Exp 65-69
S/L (Flt Cdr) Hughes, Gordon E.; DFC – Exp 85-95
F/O Hugo, P.J. – Exp 70-75
F/L Lenton, Reginald A.; MC – Exp 80-89
F/L Morgan, W.J. Guy; DFM – Exp 90-99
F/S Peek, E.P.H. – Exp 65-69
F/O Slonski, Marek – Exp 60-65
Sgt Thomas, P.D. – Exp 65-69
P/O White, W.J. – Exp 70-75


I can’t stress enough how experienced some of these guys were (as were many others in 106 (PR) Wg), many having flown PR since the early PRU days with many also having served as PR instructors at Dyce (8 OTU)

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/21/2006 2:41:27 PM   
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Just had a look at the 540 Sqn pilots already included and there are 3 double entries: Reggie Lenton, Malcolm Douglas-Hamilton and an R. Shannon (I've no record of any Shannon with 106 Wg during this period)

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/21/2006 10:36:27 PM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/21/2006 11:48:21 PM   
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F/L R.A. Lenton (remove) and F/L Reginald A. Lenton (correct)
Sgt R. Shannon x2 (remove both)
W/C Lrd Malcom-Hamilton and W/C Douglas Hamilton (should be Lord Malcolm A. Douglas-Hamilton though I know you only have limited room)

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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/22/2006 1:30:18 AM   
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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/22/2006 1:41:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		odd, I do not have a R Shannon in the list, let alone a double ? wonder if it is from another squadron and being sent to the wrong place ?




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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/22/2006 2:08:06 AM   
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please recheck, and see if you still get that Shannon, I do not see or find him, so he may be a game add in




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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion - 12/22/2006 2:26:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sgt R. Shannon is listed twice with 540 Sqn. I've completely exited the game 4 times and they are there every time.

I've just noticed there is no space between the R. and Shannon - R.Shannon. Don't know if that effects the way the editor reads the name.

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