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von Shagmeister -> Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/19/2006 1:26:46 PM)
Thought I'd start this thread as a place to post up real life pilots for BTR (as of 17Aug43) and BoB (not sure of proposed start date for that as of yet). Try and include their actual rank and number of kills (if known) for the relevant start dates or later date for units arriving later on. Here is my 1st installment Data is correct for 17Aug43 (unless otherwise stated). Many will already be in as I sent lots of data to JC. Kill figures still need to be properly cross referenced but are reasonably accurate (JG 26 figures very accurate), have posted the data so it can be included sooner rather than later. Name; Unit; Rank (Position); # Kills Pilots highlighted in bold already included Grünlinger, Walter; Stab/JG 26; Ofw; 5 Kills Philipp, Gerhard; Stab/JG 26; Hptm (Ia); 0 Kills Hösl, ???; Stab/JG 26; Hptm (Adj); 0 Kills Priller, Josef; Stab/JG 26, Obstlt (Kdre.); 91 Kills Schmeinl, Hermann; Stab/JG 26 or 4./JG 26; Ofw; 0 Kills, ? Missions Kranefeld, Kurt; Stab I./JG 26; Olt; 1 Kill Borris, Karl; Stab I./JG 26; Hptm (Gr.Kdr.); 28 Kills Jessen, Heinrich; ?Stab I.?/JG 26; Lt or Olt; 6 Kills Oltmanns, Rudolf; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Pittmann, Helmut; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Schmidtke, Günther; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Schmelzer, Philipp; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Becker, Hans-Georg; 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Beese, Artur; 1./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 15 Kills should be 1./JG 26 not Stab/JG 26 Heckmann, Alfred; 1./JG 26; Ofw; 57 Kills Lindelaub, Friedrich; 1./JG 26; Ofw; 3 Kills Matthiesen, Johannes; 1./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Hofmann, Wilhelm; 1./JG 26; Fw; 2 Kills Söffing, Waldemar; 1./JG 26 (Recovering from wounds 28/7/43 (fit mid 4/44)); Ofw; 10 Kills Schwan, Werner; 1./JG 26 (recovering from wounds 6/4/43 (fit 2/44); Uffz; 0 Kills Ruppert, Hans; ?1./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Dietze, Gottfried; ?1./JG 26?; Lt; 2 Kills Schnier, Ewald; ?/8/43 ?1./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Hüttig, Helmut; ?/8/43 ?1./JG 26?; Gefr; 0 Kills Kretschmer, Horst; ?/8/43 1./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Draheim, Manfred; 21/9/43 1./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill, ? Missions Heuser, Heinrich; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 3 Kills Schild, Heinrich; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill Thielmann, Hans-Joachim; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Hecker, Michael; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Kind, Herbert; 2./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Willius, Karl; 2./JG 26; Lt; 34 Kills Kunze, Klaus; 2./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill Gäth, Wilhelm; 2./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 9 Kills Sandoz, Hans; 2./JG 26; Gefr; 1 Kill Schwentik, Horst; 2./JG 26 or Instr duties; Fw; 1 Kill Gulecke, Johann; ?2./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Hartigs, Hans; ?2./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills Seidl, Norbert; ?/8/43 ?2./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Schneider, Friedrich; ?/8/43 ?2./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Richter, Horst; 3./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Kaiser, Werner; 3./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Münch, Heinz; 3./JG 26; Uffz (or Fw); 3 Kills Eichinger, Leopold; 3./JG 26; Ofw; 2 Kills Grimm, Wolfgang; 3./JG 26; Lt; 2 Kills Kiefner, Georg; 3./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill Triebnig, Otto; 3./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Hermichen, Rolf; 3./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 35 Kills Ahrens, Peter; 3./JG 26; Fw; 6 Kills Scheyda, Erich; 3./JG 26; Fw; 13 Kills Ullrich, Walter; 3./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Bäumener, Helmut; 3./JG 26 (Recovering from wounds 20/6/43 (fit early 9/43); Fw; 0 Kills Kuhnert, Kurt; ?3.?/JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Vanderveerd, Franz; ?3./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Beer, Heinrich; ?3./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/19/2006 4:27:20 PM)
201 Josep Pips Priller 35 Stab/JG 26 German 202 Karl Borris 36 I/JG 26 German 203 Willhelm F. Galland 37 II/JG 26 German 204 Klaus Mietusch 38 III/JG 26 German 205 Wilhelm Freuworth 37 II/JG 26 German 206 Adolf Addi Glunz 37 II/JG 26 German 207 Rolf Hermichen 36 I/JG 26 German 208 Wilhelm Hofmann 37 II/JG 26 German 209 Heinz Hemethmuller 38 III/JG 26 German 210 Walter Matoni 37 II/JG 26 German 211 Wilhelm Mayer 37 II/JG 26 German 212 Johannes Naumann 37 II/JG 26 German 213 Waldemar Radener 37 II/JG 26 German 214 Hermann Staiger 260 12./JG 26 German 215 Gerhard Vogt 37 II/JG 26 German 216 Karl Charlie Willius 36 I/JG 26 German 4599 Wolfgang Rose 36 I/JG 26 German 4600 Helmut Menge 36 I/JG 26 German 4540 Emil Leitz 37 II/JG 26 German 4541 Karl Seebeck 37 II/JG 26 German 4542 Walter Grunlinger 38 III/JG 26 German 4543 Hans Dirksen 254 8./JG 26 German 4544 Gottfried Schmidt 38 III/JG 26 German 4545 Karl-Heniz Kempf 38 III/JG 26 German 4546 Erich Schwarz 254 8./JG 26 German 4547 Erwin Schohl 254 8./JG 26 German 4548 Adolf Tabbat 38 III/JG 26 German 4549 Erich Salewsky 38 III/JG 26 German 4550 Horst Sengpiel 38 III/JG 26 German 4551 Hinz Wodarczyk 35 Stab/JG 26 German 4552 Hans Werner Winter 36 I/JG 26 German 4553 Gerhard Schulwtz 36 I/JG 26 German 4554 Friedrich Schneider 36 I/JG 26 German 4555 Willi Kunz 36 I/JG 26 German 4556 Hans Bleich 37 II/JG 26 German 4557 Erich Linder 37 II/JG 26 German 4558 Hans-Georg Becker 36 I/JG 26 German 4559 Helmut Huttig 36 I/JG 26 German 4560 Max Groth 36 I/JG 26 German 4561 Waldermar Soffing 36 I/JG 26 German 4562 Gottfried Meyer 37 II/JG 26 German 4563 Heinrich Humburg 38 III/JG 26 German 4564 Joachim Gunter 36 I/JG 26 German 4565 Herbert Zimmermann 254 8./JG 26 German 4566 Artur Beese 35 Stab/JG 26 German 4567 Gerd Wiegand 254 8./JG 26 German 4568 Jan Schild 36 I/JG 26 German 4569 Werner Kraft 38 III/JG 26 German 4570 Hans-Georg Dippel 38 III/JG 26 German 4571 Helmut Hoppe 37 II/JG 26 German 4572 Dietrich Kehl 37 II/JG 26 German 4573 Peter Crump 37 II/JG 26 German 4574 Johannes Seifert 37 II/JG 26 German 4575 Wolfgang Neu 37 II/JG 26 German 4576 Wilhelm Phillp 36 I/JG 26 German 4577 Hans Ruppert 36 I/JG 26 German 4578 Siegfried Sly 37 II/JG 26 German 4579 Karl-Georg Genth 260 12./JG 26 German 4580 Werner Molge 37 II/JG 26 German 4581 Ludwig Satter 36 I/JG 26 German 4582 Hans Kukla 36 I/JG 26 German 4583 Arnfried Kohler 36 I/JG 26 German 4584 Alfred Teichmann 36 I/JG 26 German 4585 Johannes Aistleltner 38 III/JG 26 German some may show up in different units as some were from before the Staffel change over and some were after

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/19/2006 4:43:39 PM)
Pilots highlighted in bold already included Donner, Konrad Von; Stab II./JG 26; Olt; 3 Kills Galland, Wilhelm-Ferdinard; Stab II./JG 26; Maj (Gr.Kdr.); 54 Kills Hummel, Otto; Stab II./JG 26 or 5./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Schmidt, Karl-Heinz; Stab II./JG 26 or 4./JG 26; Lt; 0? Kills Falkner, Gerhard; 4./JG 26;Uffz; 0 Kills Gasser, Franz; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Günther, Martin; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Hanke, Erwin; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Bürger, Walter; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Butzmann, Hermann; 4./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Glunz, Adolf; 4./JG 26; Ofw; 39 Kills Roth, Willi; 4./JG 26; Ofw; 19 Kills Heinemann, Ernst; 4./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill Hoppe, Helmut; 4./JG 26; Lt (St.Kap.); 15 Kills Weyrich, Rudolf; 4./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Wyrich, Heinz; 4/9/43 4./JG 26; Gefr; 0 Kills Przybyl, Leo; ?/8/43 ?4./JG 26?; Obgefr; 0 Kills Fischer, Hans; Instr duties or 4./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill Gomann, Heinz; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 6 Kills Krieg, Heinrich; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill Hoffmann, Werner; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Kubon, Harry; 5./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Sternberg, Horst; 5./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 19 Kills Günther, Alfred; 5./JG 26; Ofw; 0 Kills Lange, Friedrich; 5./JG 26; Lt; 3 Kills Kehl, Dietrich; 5./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill Kipping, Peter; 5./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Matoni, Walter; 5./JG 26; Lt or Olt; 6 Kills Crump, Peter; 5./JG 26; Fw; 10 Kills Pittmann, Hans; 5./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Freuwörth, Wilhelm; 5./JG 26; Fw or Ofw; 58 Kills Gräve, Alfons; 5./JG 26 or 12./JG 26; Ofw; 1 Kill Maletz, Gerhard; ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Scheu, Johann; ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; ? Kills Berg, Heinrich; ?/8/43 ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Steinkühler, Werner; ?/8/43 ?5./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Schilling, Franz; 6./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Scholz, Erwin; 6./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Berger, Walter; 6./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Jörg, Adolf; 6./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 0 Kills Radener, Waldemar; 6./JG 26; Lt; 5 Kills Lörzer, Hans-Günther; 6./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Naumann, Johannes; 6./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 20 Kills Mayer, Wilhelm; 6./JG 26; Fw; 4 Kills Vogt, Gerhard; 6./JG 26; Fw; 13 Kills Zeschke, Karl-Heinz; 6./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Ehret, Karl; 6./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Georgi, Rudolf; ?6./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Wölfert, Hans; ?6./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/19/2006 5:41:26 PM)
VS could go though the list I posted of who I already have in the game and cross out yours if they on my list, it will make it easier on me when I try and add yours in

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/19/2006 8:45:30 PM)
I'll go through and repost the ones not already in. Edit I've highlighted the ones already included

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/19/2006 10:26:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge 4599 Wolfgang Rose 36 I/JG 26 German 4600 Helmut Menge 36 I/JG 26 German 4551 Hinz Wodarczyk 35 Stab/JG 26 German 4552 Hans Werner Winter 36 I/JG 26 German 4553 Gerhard Schulwtz 36 I/JG 26 German 4555 Willi Kunz 36 I/JG 26 German 4560 Max Groth 36 I/JG 26 German 4561 Waldermar Soffing 36 I/JG 26 German 4564 Joachim Gunter 36 I/JG 26 German 4576 Wilhelm Phillp 36 I/JG 26 German 4581 Ludwig Satter 36 I/JG 26 German 4582 Hans Kukla 36 I/JG 26 German 4583 Arnfried Kohler 36 I/JG 26 German 4584 Alfred Teichmann 36 I/JG 26 German some may show up in different units as some were from before the Staffel change over and some were after Here are corrections to I./JG 26 pilots already included. If I./JG 26 is anything to go by there are many serious errors, probably easier just to start from scratch and re-enter the lot. (dates are European standard DD/MM/YY) 4599 Wolfgang Rose 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 4./JG 26 4/44 from trng 4600 Helmut Menge 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 4./JG 26 11/43 from trng 4551 Hinz [Heinz] Wodarczyk 35 Stab/JG 26 German - Joined I./JG26 2/44 from trng 4552 Hans Werner Winter 36 I/JG 26 German - flying with 7./JG 26 as of 8/5/44 4553 Gerhard Schulwtz [Schulz] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng 4555 Willi Kunz 36 I/JG 26 German - KIA with 7./JG 26 1/1/45 – no other details 4560 Max Groth 36 I/JG 26 German - WIA 7/4/44 with 1./JG 26 – 1st mention 4564 Joachim Gunter [Günther] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined I./JG 26 9/43 4576 Wilhelm Phillp [Philip] 36 I/JG 26 German - transferred to JG 54 1/11/42 4581 Ludwig Satter [Sattler] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined I./JG 26 1/44 from trng 4582 Hans Kukla 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 4./JG 26 6/44 from trng 4583 Arnfried Kohler 36 I/JG 26 German - KIA 19/3/45 with 13./JG 26 – no other details 4584 Alfred Teichmann 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined II./JG 26 11/43 from trng

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 1:15:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge 208 Wilhelm Hofmann 37 II/JG 26 German 4540 Emil Leitz 37 II/JG 26 German 4541 Karl Seebeck 37 II/JG 26 German 4556 Hans Bleich 37 II/JG 26 German 4557 Erich Linder 37 II/JG 26 German 4562 Gottfried Meyer 37 II/JG 26 German 4574 Johannes Seifert 37 II/JG 26 German 4575 Wolfgang Neu 37 II/JG 26 German 4578 Siegfried Sly 37 II/JG 26 German 4580 Werner Molge 37 II/JG 26 German some may show up in different units as some were from before the Staffel change over and some were after 208 Wilhelm Hofmann 37 II/JG 26 German – flying with 1./JG 26 4540 Emil Leitz 37 II/JG 26 German - KIFA 28/7/43 4541 Karl Seebeck 37 II/JG 26 German - flying with 7./JG 26 4556 Hans Bleich 37 II/JG 26 German – joined I./JG 26 5/44 from trng 4557 Erich Linder 37 II/JG 26 German - 1st mention 29/1/44 with 8./JG 26 4562 Gottfried Meyer 37 II/JG 26 German - joined 9./JG 26 12/44 from trng 4574 Johannes Seifert 37 II/JG 26 German - Stab/Military Mission in Bulgaria, rejoined II./JG 26 9/9/43 as Gr.Kdr. 4575 Wolfgang Neu 37 II/JG 26 German – Instr duties (Unit ?), rejoined 8./JG 26 9/43 4578 Siegfried Sly [Sy] 37 II/JG 26 German – joined II./JG 26 3/44 from trng 4580 Werner Molge 37 II/JG 26 German – joined II./JG 26 11/44 from trng

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 2:29:30 PM)
quote: 4553 Gerhard Schulwtz [Schulz] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng Schulwitz, Gerhard Schulz, Gerhard still a mispelling, will correct

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 2:47:18 PM)
Names may have spelling erros, books, transferring, or plain missing the keys, see any of those I will correct Unit placements is based on books and docs, they may of moved, or changed from the time I see the info I think I got to disagree with the idea that anybody not in the game as of Aug 17th does not get in by that thinking, the 20th FG, the 55th FG, the 357th FG, JV44, JG52 should all have AI pilots, since they not in the game from Aug 17th ?

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 3:12:40 PM)
Stutt, Rudolf; Stab III./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill Todt, Ernst ; Stab III./JG 26; Lt (Adj); 0 Kills Mietusch, Klaus; Stab III./JG 26; Hptm (Gr.Kdr.); 45 Kills Völmle, Dieter; Stab III./JG 26 or 7./JG 26; Lt; 0? Kills Seebeck, Karl; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 2 Kills Wöge, ???; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 2 Kills Kirschner, Horst; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Patzke, Günther; 7./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Dippel, Hans-Georg; 7./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 16 Kills Kemethmüller, Heinz; 7./JG 26; Ofw; 74 Kills Reischer, Peter; 7./JG 26; Lt; 5 Kills Pape, Dietwin; 7./JG 26; Lt; 2 Kills Burkert, Erich; 7./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Otto, Gottfried; 7./JG 26; Fw; 1 Kill Broda, Günther; ?7./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Bannischka, Helmut; ?/8/43 7./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Mensing, Wilhelm; 19/8/43 7./JG 26; Fw; 0? Kills Dirksen, Hans; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 3(4?) Kills Schwarz, Erich; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 3 Kills Schöhl, Horst-Günther [Erwin]; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill Schmidtke, Kurt; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Wiegand, Gerhard; 8./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Hager, Robert; 8./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 1 Kill Heitmann, Hans; 8./JG 26; Ofw; 7 Kills Holtz, Norbert; 8./JG 26; Obgefr?; 0 Kills Ebersberger, Kurt; 8./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 29 Kills Edmann, Johann; 8./JG 26 (Recovering from wounds 22/6/43); Ofw; 5 Kills Zandenell, Erich; ?8./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Aistleitner, Johann; Instr duties or 8./JG 26; Olt; 12 Kills Zirngibl, Josef; Instr duties or 8./JG 26; Fw; 4 Kills Janda, Ernst; 3./JGr. Ost (St.Kap.(Fhr.)) or 8./JG 26; Olt; 2 Kills Michel, Wilhelm; 31/8/43 8./JG 26; Hptm; ? Kills Mayer, Hans; 10/10/43 8./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Holl, Walter; 9./JG 26; Uffz; 5 Kills Steinberg, Günther; 9./JG 26; Uffz; 2 Kills Hering, Heinrich; 9./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Schauder, Paul; 9./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 13 Kills Dörre, Edgar; 9./JG 26; Fw; 8 Kills Kraft, Werner; 9./JG 26; Fw; 1 Kill Mössner, Werner; 9./JG 26; Fw; ? Kills Erbskorn, Hans; ?9./JG 26?; Ofw; 2 Kills Karl, Gerhard; 23/8/43 9./JG 26; Lt; 0? Kills Bäder, Alfred; 27/9/43 9./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Schulwitz, Gerhard; 10./JG 26; Uffz; 1 Kill Hadraba, Karl; 10./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Meyer, Johannes; 10./JG 26; Olt; 0 Kills Leuschel, Rudolf; 10./JG 26; Olt (St.Kap.); 5 Kills Heck, Gert; 10./JG 26; Obfhr or Lt; 0 Kills Sander, Hans-Walter; 10./JG 26; Flgr; 1 Kill Pötter, Ludwig; ?/8/43 ?10./JG 26?; Uffz; 0 Kills Salomon, Heinz; 19/8/43 10./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Borounick, Erich; 23/8/43 10./JG 26; Ofw; 0? Kills Ullmann, Helmuth; 23/8/43 10./JG 26; Gefr; 0? Kills Guttmann, Gerhard; 3/9/43 10./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Laub, Karl; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 2(4) Kills Hein, Hans; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Reichert, Alois; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Jenner, Anton; 11./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills Hoffmann, Hermann; 11./JG 26; Ofw; 7 Kills Kempf, Karl-Heinz; 11./JG 26; Lt; 57 Kills Schmidt, Gottfried; 11./JG 26; Lt; 1 Kill Steindl, Peter (-Paul?); 11./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); ~9 Kills Polster, Wolfgang; 11./JG 26; Fw; 1 Kill Bürger, Peter; 11./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Wölke, Burghardt; 11./JG 26; Fhr; 0 Kills Reinhardt, Klaus; ?11./JG 26?; Ofw; 0 Kills Meyer, Alex; 12./JG 26; Uffz; 0? Kills Fritzlehner, Fritz; 12./JG 26; Uffz; 0 Kills David, Rudolf; 12./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 1 Kill Trapp, Karl; 12./JG 26; Uffz or Fw; 0 Kills Grupe, Werner; 12./JG 26; Lt; 0 Kills Staiger, Hermann; 12./JG 26; Hptm (St.Kap.); 31 Kills Würtz, Wilhelm; 12./JG 26; Fw; 0 Kills Menze, Josef; ?12./JG 26?; Lt; 0 Kills

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 3:41:14 PM)
I don't find a Gerhard Philipp did the Ia fly missions ? Pflanz, Rudi Pfützner, Alfred Philipp, Wilhelm (I added a L, you forgot the P) Pielmeyer, Kurt Piesslinger, Josef Pietruschka, Werner

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 3:50:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge Unit placements is based on books and docs, they may of moved, or changed from the time I see the info As I hope you know I've been seriously researching pilots careers for about 5 years. The data supplied is as accurate as possible for 17Aug43 unless otherwise stated. quote: I think I got to disagree with the idea that anybody not in the game as of Aug 17th does not get in by that thinking, the 20th FG, the 55th FG, the 357th FG, JV44, JG52 should all have AI pilots, since they not in the game from Aug 17th ? Who said anything about pilots in on 17Aug43 being the only real life pilots to be included. If a unit is in the game at start and individuals can be linked to that unit at the time they should be included with that unit. For units arriving later in time any individuals that can be identified as being with that unit at that time should be included, unless they qualify for inclusion earlier on with another unit (ie JV 44, Erp.Kdo. 262 etc). If you look at the list of Allied pilots I sent you (I presume you haven't bothered from your above statement) which includes the 55FG (I didn't get round 20FG or 357FG but did for many other later arriving 8FC units) you will see the pilots are included for the date the unit arrives in theatre or ones who join before the first mission flown by the unit. If you don't think the data I provide or the points are make are valid or accurate I will bow to your omniscience and await the first beta.

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 4:12:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge quote: 4553 Gerhard Schulwtz [Schulz] 36 I/JG 26 German - Joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng Schulwitz, Gerhard Schulz, Gerhard still a mispelling, will correct Schulwitz, Gerhard was flying with 10./JG 26 as of 17Aug43 Schulz, Gerhard joined 3./JG26 12/43 from trng

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 4:23:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge I don't find a Gerhard Philipp did the Ia fly missions ? Pflanz, Rudi Pfützner, Alfred Philipp, Wilhelm (I added a L, you forgot the P) Pielmeyer, Kurt Piesslinger, Josef Pietruschka, Werner Some Ia's flew missions, but not sure if Gerhard Philipp was "non-flying" Philipp, Wilhelm - sorry yes missed the 2nd p - transferred to JG 54 1/11/42 from 4./JG 26 - as of 17Aug43 ?3./JG 54?; Ofw; ? Kills Pflanz, Rudolf - KIA 31/7/42 with 11.(H)/JG 2 Pfützner, Alfred - joined 5./JG 26 7/44 from trng Pielmeyer, Kurt - KIA 31/5/40 with Stab I./JG 26 Piesslinger, Josef - KIA 4/11/44 with 1./JG 26, no other details Pietruschka, Werner - joined II./JG 26 12/43 from trng

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:51:14 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:51:52 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:52:43 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:53:20 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:54:10 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:54:57 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (5/20/2006 5:55:52 PM)
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Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (10/9/2006 8:26:40 PM)
just a bump to keep this up top

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/21/2006 2:15:59 PM)
Hard Sarge, Here’s a list of pilots who were with 540 Sqn as of 17Aug43 (I seem to remember the last list I sent you was a bit light on 540 Sqn pilots), ranks are accurate for that date as are awards. The suggested experience range is based on their careers where that info is known. Full names are given where known 540 Sqn F/O Baird, S.I. – Exp 65-69 W/C (C/O) Douglas-Hamilton, Lord Malcolm A.; OBE – Exp 75-85 F/O Farlow, ??? – Exp 60-65 F/L Graham, ??? – Exp 65-69 F/L Hollick, ??? – Exp 65-69 S/L (Flt Cdr) Hood, Michael Douglas Sutcliffe; DFC – Exp 85-95 F/O Hosking, R.A. – Exp 65-69 S/L (Flt Cdr) Hughes, Gordon E.; DFC – Exp 85-95 F/O Hugo, P.J. – Exp 70-75 F/L Lenton, Reginald A.; MC – Exp 80-89 F/L Morgan, W.J. Guy; DFM – Exp 90-99 F/S Peek, E.P.H. – Exp 65-69 F/O Slonski, Marek – Exp 60-65 Sgt Thomas, P.D. – Exp 65-69 P/O White, W.J. – Exp 70-75 I can’t stress enough how experienced some of these guys were (as were many others in 106 (PR) Wg), many having flown PR since the early PRU days with many also having served as PR instructors at Dyce (8 OTU)

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/21/2006 2:41:27 PM)
Hard Sarge, Just had a look at the 540 Sqn pilots already included and there are 3 double entries: Reggie Lenton, Malcolm Douglas-Hamilton and an R. Shannon (I've no record of any Shannon with 106 Wg during this period)

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/21/2006 10:36:27 PM)
Roger, thank you, will look at it odd, I not showing those as doubles ?, will correct

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/21/2006 11:48:21 PM)
Doubles are F/L R.A. Lenton (remove) and F/L Reginald A. Lenton (correct) Sgt R. Shannon x2 (remove both) W/C Lrd Malcom-Hamilton and W/C Douglas Hamilton (should be Lord Malcolm A. Douglas-Hamilton though I know you only have limited room)

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/22/2006 1:30:18 AM)
Okay, I see why the checker is not seeing them

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/22/2006 1:41:55 AM)
odd, I do not have a R Shannon in the list, let alone a double ? wonder if it is from another squadron and being sent to the wrong place ?

Hard Sarge -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/22/2006 2:08:06 AM)
added/corrected please recheck, and see if you still get that Shannon, I do not see or find him, so he may be a game add in

von Shagmeister -> RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion (12/22/2006 2:26:47 AM)
Sgt R. Shannon is listed twice with 540 Sqn. I've completely exited the game 4 times and they are there every time. I've just noticed there is no space between the R. and Shannon - R.Shannon. Don't know if that effects the way the editor reads the name.

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