Shannon V. OKeets
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More Desert NW & W of the line Lanchow-Taiyuan -No, desert has good weather in bad weather turns, and is easy to move through, so it's very good "raider country". Good point. I'll leave this area as is. There are already a vas amount of desert hexes. quote:
Road to Lanchow and resource far away -I like it, but I'd prefer the road/RR transition to be further east (Sian?) It stops 2 hexes west fro Sian normaly. quote:
Coastal : Wuhan (moved 1 hex NW) Yes (can we have one city on each side of the river??) In fact, Wuhan is some sort of supercity, regrouping 3 cities. But this may be too much, it would be a unique case in WiF FE of a city represented by two cities in 2 different hexes.. quote:
New Mountain (Between Anking & Sian) Yes. -Could they extend to the hex SW of Chengchow? In fact, those mountains seems to be the least high and the least wide in this area, south of Chengchow, east of Nanyang. They seem to be more dense around Anking (and Wosung asked to put more mountains around Anking IIRC -- But I'm not sure where). quote:
New Lake hexside east of Shanghai Not sure. Real geography warrants it, and the way I placed it it is not in the way of anything. quote:
New River along the railway Tientsin, Tsinan, Suchow (the imperial channel) (not represented on the map) No South Chihchiang Yes, but it's behing river, on the road, and in mountain. Is it possible to place it so it's not such a juggernaut fortress city? Good point. The best is to redraw the river passing there so that it flows on the southern & eastern hexsides of the SE & E hexes. This seems correct too on the real maps. quote:
Hengyang (not on the latest maps posted, it is a proposal of Wosung that no one supported yet) unsure. I prefer to vote this one out, because it would provide supply to the Chinese in the supply hole (WiF FE maps) east of Canton. quote:
Zhanjiang (to provide supply south of Nanning from the sea) Yes, but I still prefer it to the NW So you prefer Pakhoi (would be 2 hexes SE of Nanning) ? quote:
Move resource south -No, not the southern resources. But possibly the resource in the east, near Shanghai Just for clarity, let me warn you that on the map I posted in post #129 (28 May), the Nanning resource is at its normal MWiF place, and the Changsha resource was moved 2 hexes southwards from its original MWiF position.
This is a good discussion, with people being open to other viewpoints, and offering their own. Patrice, you are doing an excellent job of keeping this wide stream of information organized. Here is my response to the points you and Incy were discussing (I realize that I am only looking at one of the maps you probably have for reference, and that they are unlikely to always agree): Having the rail line run west of Sian to Tianshui, as you have drawn it. Historical accuracy syas this is right. WIF FE has it continue on to Lanchow. Stopping it at Sian goes against both of those reasons. If we need a stronger China in that area, let's find some other way. As to more desert northeast of Lanchow, I would vote yes. Any raiders would be sacrificial lambs since theor supply would be cut. If the argument is that it would enable flanking maneuvers, then I would be more receptive to the status quo. In general I like matching the actual geography and the WIF FE maps whenever the 2 are in agreement. Which I believe is the case here. One Wuhan city would be my prefernce, but I am quite flexible on this. The European map frequently has clusters of cities - central England comes to mind. For the Anking mountains, I would like to see what Wosung proposed in more detail. A Shanghai lake resort for summer water skiing seems like a keen idea. No strong preference about the river around Chichiang. I can see Incy's point clearly and I also could see someone arguing for a good defensive strongpoint for the Chinese. On the WIF FE map, the geography between Changsha and Chungking is merely mountains, but the defensive line only requires defending two hexes. Here the distance is greatly increased between the two cities (from 3 hexes to 10) which has the side effect of requiring a longer defensive line to prevent flanking. Inserting Pakhoi would be my choice. It has historical credibility and addresses the problem that Incy raised. [Provides Japanese supply to the hex due east of Nanning for attacking that city and the resource point NE.] The river running south of Nanning doesn't exist in WIF FE. That hasn't been discussed here as either a good or a bad change. The rail line from Nanning to the resource NE of it doesn't appear on the historical map. If that is truly the case, I would prefer this linkage to be a road connection. The rail line would run from Kweilin to the resource.
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