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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 9:59:06 PM   
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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 10:09:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other day, a man was murdered with a knife in Copenhagen. That in itself is not unusual (more's the pity). What's unusual is that he was stabbed so many times that it was impossible to count the number of wounds!

The reason? The killer asked the man for a cigarette, and when he said he didn't have one, the guy drew a hunting knife he was carrying in a scabbard around his neck and attacked. The victim's head was almost severed.

Turned out the killer was a psychotic who'd stopped taking his medicine. Sounds like a bad joke, but it isn't...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 10:37:47 PM   
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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 10:44:33 PM   
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You sure the guy wasn't a cartoon writer?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 10:51:46 PM   
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I thought you Danes were supposed to be more civilized than that.

You sure the guy wasn't a cartoon writer?


Or a lawyer... Nope, he was psychotic (specific nature not publicly released), and had stopped taking his medication several weeks before. The cops arrested him about 15 minutes after the deed, walking down the street, covered in his victim's blood. He surrendered without incident, his only commentary, "I snapped".

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 10:55:24 PM   
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his only commentary, "I snapped".

Certainly the understatment of the year.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 10:56:43 PM   
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Yikes...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 11:05:44 PM   
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Can you imagine the kind of insane rage that would make somebody stab somebody else so many times, that the WOUNDS CAN'T BE COUNTED???

Yikes...

Not really, but it reminds me of the report I heard on NPR the other day. The phenomenon known as road rage is actually a manifestation of a larger disorder. I don't recall the disorders complete name, but it is something like temporary explosive disorder. They estimate that as many as 20% of males suffer from it from time to time. Women also suffer from it, but it is not as common. It is typified by brief explosive outbursts of rage (irrational angry outbursts). It happens more often in the home, but is also seen in stressful situations like traffic. Seems that good anger management is a growing need in societies.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 11:23:54 PM   
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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 11:32:01 PM   
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Saw two historical documentaries on TV yesternight, one on the First Crusade and one on Hannibal. Nice to actually have an evening where TV was worth watching...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 11:57:26 PM   
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Ba-dum-bump!

Saw two historical documentaries on TV yesternight, one on the First Crusade and one on Hannibal. Nice to actually have an evening where TV was worth watching...

Learn anything new?

Did the first crusade actually reach the "holy land". As I recall the whole thing disentegrated rather quickly as the band reached a town in eastern europe which was "muslim". As I recall the crusaders decided a muslim town was a muslim town so why go all the way to the middle east to burn and pilage?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/12/2006 11:59:48 PM   
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Yeah, rape the horses and pillage the women.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:00:36 AM   
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Ba-dum-bump!

Saw two historical documentaries on TV yesternight, one on the First Crusade and one on Hannibal. Nice to actually have an evening where TV was worth watching...

Learn anything new?

Did the first crusade actually reach the "holy land". As I recall the whole thing disentegrated rather quickly as the band reached a town in eastern europe which was "muslim". As I recall the crusaders decided a muslim town was a muslim town so why go all the way to the middle east to burn and pilage?



First crusade was the only "successful" one, iirc.

Later crusades sacked "Muslim" towns like Constantinople, leading (in large part) to complete the destruction of the Byzantine Empire.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:00:37 AM   
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Learn anything new?

Did the first crusade actually reach the "holy land". As I recall the whole thing disentegrated rather quickly as the band reached a town in eastern europe which was "muslim". As I recall the crusaders decided a muslim town was a muslim town so why go all the way to the middle east to burn and pilage?


Wrong crusade, niceguy. The First Crusade actually achieved its stated objective of driving the Muslim occupiers out of Jerusalem, in a bloodbath of cataclysmic proportions.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:06:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		The crusaders, led by the Frankish knight Godfrey of Bouillon, took Jerusalem in May, 1099, four years after Pope Urban II told them it was okay to murder and pillage, as long as the victims weren't fellow Christians. When they entered Jerusalem, they slaughtered practically the entire population, Moslems, Jews and Christians.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:10:29 AM   
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Yeah, rape the horses and pillage the women.

OH that is so wrong!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:11:54 AM   
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The crusaders, led by the Frankish knight Godfrey of Bouillon, took Jerusalem in May, 1099, four years after Pope Urban II told them it was okay to murder and pillage, as long as the victims weren't fellow Christians. When they entered Jerusalem, they slaughtered practically the entire population, Moslems, Jews and Christians.

Well really, what's a knight to do...it's so difficult to tell them apart.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:15:18 AM   
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The crusaders, led by the Frankish knight Godfrey of Bouillon, took Jerusalem in May, 1099, four years after Pope Urban II told them it was okay to murder and pillage, as long as the victims weren't fellow Christians. When they entered Jerusalem, they slaughtered practically the entire population, Moslems, Jews and Christians.

Well really, what's a knight to do...it's so difficult to tell them apart.


Yeah, but what about the bishops that were leading them!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:21:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, what I was getting confused about, as it turns out, was that the First Crusade encompassed a number of other "crusades". THe part I was thinking about was called the "Poeple's Crusade" which set out several months before. They did end up in troulbe in Hungary but most made it to Constantinople anyway, though as I recall the peasants were all slaughtered when they corssed over to Asia Minor.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:22:28 AM   
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Yeah, but what about the bishops that were leading them!

Ever try to lead an armored knight charging an enemy?

Edit: well of course not, silly question, but the point is clear.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 12:56:10 AM   
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Yeah, but what about the bishops that were leading them!

Ever try to lead an armored knight charging an enemy?

Edit: well of course not, silly question, but the point is clear.



Mostly, they were looting and burning after any fighting was over.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 1:12:30 AM   
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Later crusades sacked "Muslim" towns like Constantinople, leading (in large part) to complete the destruction of the Byzantine Empire.


Actually, the Byzantine empire didn't collapse until 1453, when the Ottoman Turks sacked Constantinople, and the last emperor, Constantine XI, died...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 1:15:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Byzantines had a short resurgence from 1097 until about 1180, where they mostly cleared Asia Minor of the Seljuk Turks, the depredations of whom had caused the Byzantine emperor, Alexius I, to ask the Pope for help in the first place. This plea for assistance from his "brother in the faith" lead indirectly to the First Crusade.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 1:21:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		In 1180, the emperor Manuel Comnenus, of the same dynasty as Alexius I, died, and with him the last upturn in the Byzantine fortunes. Five years later, the Byzantines lost their lands in the Balkans after a rebellion erupted in Bulgaria, and in 1204, Constantinople fell to the Fourth Crusade, leading to the founding of the Latin Empire, a Catholic (as opposed to Greek Orthodox) successor to the Byzantines.

This lasted until 1261, when Emperor Michael VIII Palaeologus recaptured the city. The Byzantines held on to their rapidly disintegrating empire until 1453.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 1:25:33 AM   
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Later crusades sacked "Muslim" towns like Constantinople, leading (in large part) to complete the destruction of the Byzantine Empire.


Actually, the Byzantine empire didn't collapse until 1453, when the Ottoman Turks sacked Constantinople, and the last emperor, Constantine XI, died...



hmmm... yes, but from what i understand, the Crusader's sacking of Constantinople (1204 after the gates were opened) pretty much bankrupted the empire, and it was a "quick" downhill slide from there (quick being a relative term - taking about 250 years). The City had withstood all Moslem attacks for >500 years before 1204.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/13/2006 1:30:22 AM   
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hmmm... yes, but from what i understand, the Crusader's sacking of Constantinople (1204 after the gates were opened) pretty much bankrupted the empire, and it was a "quick" downhill slide from there (quick being a relative term - taking about 250 years). The City had withstood all Moslem attacks for >500 years before 1204.


"Withstood" is a slight misnomer. More than a few times, besiegers were bribed to go away. The problem with bribing an enemy is that you have to keep doing it...

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RE: THE ANTI-THREAD!!! - 6/13/2006 2:34:20 AM   
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Hey, T: when posting on the ANTI-Thread, be sure to change the subject line to THE THREAD!!!


That's just terrible! I can't believe anyone would do such a horrible thing!

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THE THREAD IS ALL!!! - 6/13/2006 3:17:59 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD IS ALL!!! - 6/13/2006 3:40:34 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD IS ALL!!! - 6/13/2006 4:46:24 AM   
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SHe turned me into a newt........ I got better.....



You're just similar to a newt yet different.

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