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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/12/2006 11:41:46 PM   
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I cannot get over the vastness of the map.


It's more a matter of how small modern forces are. The coalition's ground force amounted to three divisions and two brigades IIRC. In the scenario this just means powering on up the roads, having first converted all the hexes with airborne units. The deep desert doesn't matter, so long as you have units available to deal with any hostile forces appearing in your rear.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 12:33:50 AM   
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Is there any known problems with Rundstedts Plan Martin ??

This scenario and the Zitadelle scenario are the two I'm learning the interface on.  This TAO scenario looks ... on the surface ... to be quite a nice Battle of the Bulge scenario (hypothetical of course).  I've only got about 5 moves into it so I haven't got far enough to know if there's any critical scoring imbalance issues.  This may be one I'll want to try pbem so it would be nice if I knew problems with it before I start one up.

...

thanks


+1 ... ?
No Input?

I looked for an AAR on the Plan Martin scenario to no avail. It looks like one of the Normandy sce's is well documented with AAR's. I'll check it out tonight.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 2:22:15 AM   
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By The Way, what are the yellow pimples for in the picture below:


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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 3:02:50 AM   
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By The Way, what are the yellow pimples for in the picture below:



Hi Larry. It means "New post within the last 24 hours"




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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 3:11:48 AM   
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By The Way, what are the yellow pimples for . . .


That's where the zit cream goes.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 4:51:17 AM   
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I kinda like FitE although I've not played it past turn 80 something, and have lost in the two times I played it PBEM ( from December to June ) and it's still kinda a mystery how the Axis is supposed to win, even though I saw my opponent do it once.


It's my experience that due to the limited number of Russian units, the German player is always able to find a weak spot and exploit it, and eventually the Soviet player just isn't getting enough reinforcements to rebuild. Mind you, this is based on one hotseat game.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 5:27:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where is a list of included scenarios? It out to be in the FAQ or have a sticky of its own. Wherever it is posted, it is not easy to find.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 5:35:36 AM   
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I kinda like FitE although I've not played it past turn 80 something, and have lost in the two times I played it PBEM ( from December to June ) and it's still kinda a mystery how the Axis is supposed to win, even though I saw my opponent do it once.


It's my experience that due to the limited number of Russian units, the German player is always able to find a weak spot and exploit it, and eventually the Soviet player just isn't getting enough reinforcements to rebuild. Mind you, this is based on one hotseat game.


Man, I LOVED FitE/Scorched Earth board game! We played continuously for years after I got out of college. Been a long time now, though. Generally, the Russkies won, unless the Germans got lucky or the Russkies made a mistake in 41 or early/mid 42. then it turned into a game of "How much can the Germans hold?" In 43 the Germans were awesome...in one place. Everywhere else, the Russians ground them to dust, slowly and inexorably. The Germans are desperate to catch the Russians overextend a thrust, and if they do, say goodby to all of those lovely, expensive armored/mech corps. Great fun, but lots of time. That is what I always wanted from TOAW, a way to play the Eastern front solo and more quickly...no more counting hexes for supply, remembering ranges and availability, etc.


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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 5:44:10 AM   
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Where is a list of included scenarios? It out to be in the FAQ or have a sticky of its own. Wherever it is posted, it is not easy to find.

You could look at this post...
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1146204

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 3:36:27 PM   
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Is there any known problems with Rundstedts Plan Martin ??

This scenario and the Zitadelle scenario are the two I'm learning the interface on.  This TAO scenario looks ... on the surface ... to be quite a nice Battle of the Bulge scenario (hypothetical of course).  I've only got about 5 moves into it so I haven't got far enough to know if there's any critical scoring imbalance issues.  This may be one I'll want to try pbem so it would be nice if I knew problems with it before I start one up.

...

thanks



+1 ... ?
No Input?

I looked for an AAR on the Plan Martin scenario to no avail. It looks like one of the Normandy sce's is well documented with AAR's. I'll check it out tonight.


I played the TOAW:COW version as the Jerries and I liked it. The changes really improve the chances of success for the Germans but the new AI will toughen things up. Definitely worth a look.

I'd check out the hypothetical Case Green, Czechoslovakia 1938 one too. It's not too big and a lot of fun for both sides. As the Germans I once dropped my paratroops to form a pocket that linked my panzer spearheads to the outskirts of Prague. They suffered hideous losses to Czech counterattacks but held on long enough to ensure success. (Scenes of Falshirmjaeger waving delriously to Panzer IIs as they race past )

Cheers, Neilster


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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 5:57:19 PM   
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Where is a list of included scenarios? It out to be in the FAQ or have a sticky of its own. Wherever it is posted, it is not easy to find.


It is in the manuals folder, a pdf file called "TOAW3 scenario description".Requires Adobe Acrobat reader (free).

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 8:03:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there a list of web sites somewhere that we can download user created scenario's?

... ones that work with TOAW III

thanks

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/13/2006 8:40:45 PM   
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Is there a list of web sites somewhere that we can download user created scenario's?

... ones that work with TOAW III


You have to open them in the editor first, but;

http://www.the-strategist.net/RD/news.php
http://www.tdg.nu/indexscenarios.html

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/14/2006 6:10:44 PM   
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You have to open them in the editor first


Does this work using the TOAW III editor, or do you need COW?

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/14/2006 6:47:54 PM   
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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/15/2006 11:12:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure if this scenario is included in TOAW III or not, but I played the heck out of this scenario in TOAW I and it is excellent. Very well done:

Fortress Stalingrad v3.53 by Laurent favre (from Dec 11, 1998). It's available at the game depot at Wargamer.com.

When I played it, I also read Antony Beever's excellent book Stalingrad: The Fateful Seige: 1942-1943.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/16/2006 1:09:30 AM   
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Fortress Stalingrad v3.53 by Laurent favre (from Dec 11, 1998). It's available at the game depot at Wargamer.com.

Player classic IMO. Just shows how it went on the day- both sides. And gives one the option to get the hell out of there on Day 2 (?). Brilliant. I know designers will have huge problems with it, but hey, as a player I loved it and it worked for me and M. Favre, merci.

Not built for PO play though. You need to find a PBEM opponent. Also upgrade it to TOAW III.

Now don't be shy, post out there and someone will always want to take one side or the other. As a new player I think you've got the right to suggest off-ladder, but not sure how many others would agree with me.

Personally I've played a fair few players ex-ladder, and I think that works both ways- experienced players can try out a side with desperate play balance against them in a particular scenario to see what went (or is) wrong and new players learn- seems a win-win scenario to me.

In this regard I'd love to see a best designers versus best players tournament using a best scenario- something like Tobruk 41 with all bells and whistles on and a few AARs. Now that is what dreams are made of... ;-) Goodness gracious, we all might learn something.


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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/16/2006 1:38:51 AM   
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Beevors book FWIW is FANTASTIC.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/22/2006 11:54:46 PM   
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Fortress Stalingrad v3.53 by Laurent favre (from Dec 11, 1998). It's available at the game depot at Wargamer.com.

Player classic IMO. Just shows how it went on the day- both sides. And gives one the option to get the hell out of there on Day 2 (?). Brilliant. I know designers will have huge problems with it, but hey, as a player I loved it and it worked for me and M. Favre, merci.

Not built for PO play though. You need to find a PBEM opponent. Also upgrade it to TOAW III.

Now don't be shy, post out there and someone will always want to take one side or the other. As a new player I think you've got the right to suggest off-ladder, but not sure how many others would agree with me.

Personally I've played a fair few players ex-ladder, and I think that works both ways- experienced players can try out a side with desperate play balance against them in a particular scenario to see what went (or is) wrong and new players learn- seems a win-win scenario to me.

In this regard I'd love to see a best designers versus best players tournament using a best scenario- something like Tobruk 41 with all bells and whistles on and a few AARs. Now that is what dreams are made of... ;-) Goodness gracious, we all might learn something.



With all this talk about TOAW III, I recently re-installed TOAW I and loaded up JMass's graphics Mod (excellent btw).

Using the editor, I added in more units for the Russian side, and I am playing FS again as the Germans. Heheh. The PO is kicking my backside. May need all the tricks up my sleeve to pull off a win here....

As well, I am re-reading Beever's book.

There should be a law against having this much fun...



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Converting pre-COAW scenario - 6/23/2006 10:34:47 AM   
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I have found an old scenario on the net that I would like to take a peek at in the editor.
It won't open in TOAW-3, probably because it's from the original TOAW or something.
Can anybody help me with converting it?

Thanks
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RE: Converting pre-COAW scenario - 6/23/2006 12:06:30 PM   
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Hi

I have found an old scenario on the net that I would like to take a peek at in the editor.
It won't open in TOAW-3, probably because it's from the original TOAW or something.
Can anybody help me with converting it?

Thanks
Erik
Send it my way, I'll see what I can do. I still have TOAW I installed on a Virtual PC Win98. My email address is in my profile.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/24/2006 6:28:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		FWIW, I like France 1940 (as the Germans), if you go in and remove all the reconstitution. Nothing quite as fun blasting through the Ardennes using your armor as it was meant to be used, breaking through the slow French and Brits and cutting them off... fun.

I will also put in a plug for my War in Europe scenario, which I am fixing up now that we aren't limited to 32 supply points any more... It's not Europe Aflame, but it can be fun...

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/26/2006 12:21:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a list compiled from SZO about players' favourite scenarios (some are in TOAW 3, and others can be downloaded).



"So far we have 20 most popular scenarios:

2 Weeks in Normandy - 11 citations (11)
Europe aflame - (10)
Kharkov 42 - (8)
DNO - (7)
Wintergewitter 42 - (7)
Braunschweig - (6)
Tannemberg 1914 - (6)
Korea 50-51 - (6)
Tobruk 41 - (4)
France 1914 - (3)
Operation Blau - (3)
Balkans 1912 - (3)
Blitzkrieg - (3)
Campaign for N.Africa - (2)
Nordic Light - (2)
GIO - (2)
Middle East 2000 - (2)
Overlord 44 - (2)
Fall Grau - (2)
Balkans 1913 - (2)"



I personally recommend Korea 50-51 as well as The Campaign for North Africa.

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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/28/2006 9:28:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm currently playing Fortress Stalingrad from TOAW I Elite Edition.

I had forgotten how great this game is. Soooo.... I'll be picking up TOAW III in the near future.

Any who... I thought I'd post a few pictures of my battle so far.

I'm playing as the Axis:

1) Here you can see that the 6th Army is surrounded and is being hard-pressed by several Soviet Armies: the 24th Army (North), the 62nd Army (East), the 64th Army (South), the 57th Army (bottom left), and the 21 st Army (West):




2) Here elements of 4th Panzer and 27th Panzer are engaging the Soviet 5th Tank Corps. My plan is to surround the 5th Tank Corps and annihilate it before Soviet reinforcements can come to its aid:





3) In the north-west the Italian and Romanian Armies are being badly mauled in counter-attacks by the Soviet 3rd Guard Army as it smashes its way through the Axis lines. I must send fresh troops to hold the line before the Soviets can surround and destroy these Axis forces:



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RE: Recommended scenarios in TOAW3 - 6/28/2006 6:01:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		More pictures of my battle at Stalingrad.

Here is the situation on Turn 10 (December 20, 1942):

1) At Stalingrad, I am attempting to encircle and destroy both the Soviet 62nd and 64th Armies (indicated by black arrows) before the Soviet 66th Army (north of me) can press my northern sector and flank my eastern position (indicated by red arrows). If I can knock out these two Soviet Armies, my eastern sector will be safe and I will be able to wheel my forces to deal with the huge Soviet Armies in the north, west and south-west sectors:




2) Just west of Stalingrad the Soviet 21st and 5th Tank Armies are pressing hard on the 4th Panzer and 27th Panzer Armies (indicated by red arrows). As you can see they are attempting to encircle my Axis forces. I, in turn, am seeking to cut them off (indicated by black arrows). Here we see classic maneuver warfare in action:





3) In the north-west the Italian and Romanian Armies are barely holding the line against the 3rd Guard Army. I have sent elements of 4th Panzer Army to help stop the Soviet breakthrough. I am also attempting to encircle the Soviet Army on its left and right flanks:


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