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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/1/2006 7:31:58 PM

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Interesting to see this one continue. Good going. I'm suprised the russian a/f is so bad and with it being mid winter(in siberia). any ground movment is actually allowed :) .. but game things aside its going well for japan as far as i can tell.

Didn't the screenshot program work for you ?

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/2/2006 4:04:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Interesting to see this one continue. Good going. I'm suprised the russian a/f is so bad and with it being mid winter(in siberia). any ground movment is actually allowed :) .. but game things aside its going well for japan as far as i can tell.

Didn't the screenshot program work for you ?

I dowloaded fxFoto, but can't figure the screenshot stuff - got advise?

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/2/2006 4:10:28 PM

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The campaign has it's ups and downs. The air war is progressing nicely after the first few days of poor results. My assumptions on the center of the Eastern Front are being heavily tested by the Russian thrust. I hope to take the last city in the south [Ulgahamensk] and start to drive into the Russian center thus releaving their pressure of IJA forces there.

The fighting around Blagoveshchensk in the north has been more difficult than I had hoped. The Russian drive in the west on Hailar was expected, but I hope that I can hold out for the long ahul here. The penetrations of the Mongolian CDs have gone smoothly.

Overall, I'm think things are going well - better now then in 1945.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/2/2006 5:00:02 PM

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If you have fxfoto working .. press print screen on the keyboard when looking at a particular piccie. open up fxfota and press CTrl-v .. should load up the image .. then save as from the top right menu option.

I have no clue as to how to embed text yet ..

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/5/2006 2:41:32 AM

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I will try and see if this works - the last time I pressed print screen it did nothing - but "I will endeavour to perceivier".

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/5/2006 3:37:39 PM

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there might be a flicker when u press print screen .. that means that picture is in a temporary folder. do not cut n paste anything or you will overwrite the temp file.

hope you get it fixed , took me ages to sort out screen shots.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/5/2006 11:04:40 PM

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2/2/42 - IJA Briefing on Siberian Russian Campaign:

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Moderate air activity to report this day. Russian bombing of Tamsag continues with no effect on the troops - supply appears to be holding quite nicely. Our bombing of the Russian 79th Rifle Division near Hailar is reported to have caused the loss of 18 men and a gun. Likewise, the bombing of the Russian 22nd Rifle Division near Chaimussu has reported the loss of 33 men.

Continued fighter sweeps in the Iman area has caused the Russian Air Forces an additional losses of 6 LaGG3s and 2 I-16 type 24s to the loss of 1 Tojo.

WESTERN FRONT:

Russians have undertaken another attack on Hailar. Losses were reported to be 603 men, 10 guns and a vehicle for the IJA and 492 men and 37 guns for the Russians.

The 3rd Mongolian Cavalry Division has reported that a Soviet unit has moved South out of Choybalsan into its general area. Command has ordered the division to go to the offensive to stop this movement. The 2nd Mongolian Cavalry Division is moving North to link up with the 3rd CD.

EASTERN FRONT:

Combat activity has been noted in the 3rd Army Area. Russian forces have attacked the town of Chaimussu for a second day. The Russians again failed to penetrate the towns fortifications - although losses were heavy on both sides [1,106 men and 10 guns for the IJA and 902 men, 20 guns and 3 vehicles for the Russians], the local commander is confident that they can hold until relieved. However, Headquarters has ordered, as a precaution, the redeployment of the air forces based in Chaimussu.

Russians also attacked the town of Mishan and were heavily "rebuffed" - losses have been reported from the front as 87 men, 1 gun and 1 vehicle for the IJA with the Russian losses reported at 666 men and 49 guns.

The 4th Army Area reports that it is still crossing the Amur River south of Blagoveshchensk with the Russian 35th Rifle Division still maintaining its defensive posture. Intelligence reports that it appears that the Russian is moving some secondary troops throught this position to allow them to enter Blagoveshchensk. Headquarters is concerned that a large portion of the Russian forces in this area may seek refuge in the area of the Western Front.

To prevent this the 5th, 6th and 7th Mongolian CDs crossing the Amur River to Blagoveshchensk's North have been order to make all haste to block this movement.

The 20th Army Area again has exchange artillery barrages. Although Our losses were substantial - 514 men, 6 guns and 3 vehicles, Russian losses were notably higher - 339 men, 4 guns and 2 vehicles.

5th Army Area reports that their atrillery exchanges were more productive. IJA forces lost 36 men to the Russian's 169 men and 2 guns.

Reconn reports that the Russians have left regional fortresses in the path of the 5th Army south of Iman to slow their progress after the sure-fall of Uglahamensk. 5th Army reports that another attack on that city will commence tomorrow in an attempt to seize the city and move on Iman.

Weaterh forecast for 2/3/42 - Blizzard.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 3/20/2006 2:02:37 AM

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2/6/42 - IJA Briefing on Siberian Russian Campaign [2/3/42 to 2/6/42]

Recent events have prevented the daily IJA briefing on the progess of the Campaign. This briefing is intended to cover the last 4 days of the campaign.

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Russian continued bombing of Tamsag has proven to be largely ineffective. IJAF bombing of the 79th Rifle Division, 101st Mountain Division, 105th Rifle Division, 21st Rifle Division and 59th Rifle Division has resulted in the 4 day loss of 85 men. Continued fighter sweeps in the Iman area has resulted in the loss of 15 LaGG 3s and 3 I-16 type 24s with no losses to the IJAF.

WESTERN FRONT:

6th Army Area:

The Russian 78th Rifle Division struck the 3rd Mongolian Cavalry Divison at dawn and drove it back south with heavy losses [643 men and 7 guns v. 14 men and 1 gun] and ill-conceived counter attack by the 3rd CD resulted in further loss of 161 men. The 78th Rifle Division then shifted to the southwest and successfully attacked the 4th Mongolian Cavalry Division and drove it toward Tamsag losses were reported at 102 men and 4 guns lost to the Russian's 27 men and 1 gun lost.

The Russians decided to launch an attack on Hailar and were bloodly repulsed with the loss of 375 men and 18 guns to the IJA losses of 201 men and 8 guns lost. The Russian has decided to continue to bombard the defensive positions around Hailar for the last three days little effect to the IJA forces defending Hailar.

EASTERN FRONT:

20th Army Area:

Bombardment and counter-bombardment continued for the last four days resulting in the loss of 386 men 10 guns and 1 vehicles versus the Russian losses of 530 men, 4 guns, 3 vehicles. On the 4th of February the Russian attacked our forces outside the city causing IJA losses of 1,105 men, 18 guns and 3 vehicles. The Russians lost 1,854 men, 63 guns and 13 vehicles.

4th Army Area:

No activity except that the army continues to cross the Amur River without Russian counterattack. Intelligence suspects that the Russian is attempting to evacuate eastern Siberia.

3rd Army Area:

The Russians have become much more aggressive here - but the lack of combat activity over the last 24 hours may indicate that supply is a problem as well as disruption. Three days of attacks on Chiamussu has put the IJA garrison in dire straits, but they still hold behind strong fortifications. Three days of combat has given the IJA losses of 2,757 men and 34 guns with the Russians losing a reported 1,237 men, 48 guns and 4 vehicles. Chiamussu's fort remains at level 4, but is closing in on making it a 5 soon. The garrison was recently reinforced by the 9th Mongolian Cavalry Divison.

The Russians have also attempted to seize Mishar to no avail. Three day losses in that defensive area are estimated at for the IJA at 306 men, 13 guns and 1 vehicle. Russian losses have been reported at 915 men and 32 guns.

5th Army Area:

The city of Uglahamensk has fallen on the 5th of this month IJA losses have been estimated at 2,825 men, 69 guns and 2 vehicles. Russian losses have been reported at 1,970 men, 42 guns and 7 vehicles. Russian forces have been reported to be falling back onto Iman IJA is in pursuit after a day or two of refit in Uglahamensk.

Russian garrison forces along the Korean border have been attempting to move into the Vladivostock area. IJA forces of the 5th Army have been moved into the area to repell this incursion. One Russian unit [assumed to be a Rifle Divison] is within the defensive circle of Vladivostock.

GENERAL OBSERVATIONS:

Russian supply appears to be a problem at this point. The Russian undertook no combat activity in the entire theater on the 6th of this month. Disruption could also be a contributing factor. IJAF has air superiority over the southern part of Eastern Siberia.

Weather forecast for 2/7 is SNOW.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 6/14/2006 5:57:59 AM

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2/7/42 through 2/21/42 IJA Briefing on the Siberian Russian Campaign:

The IGS had lost communication with the IJA in Manchuria over the past two [2] weeks due to weather - however the IIGS can now report that there have been major developments along all fronts - most of which can be characteriszed as "set-back" for the IJA.

THE AIR CAMPAIGN(S):

Fighter sweeps and bombing raids have domimated the campaign with the IJ Air Force maintaing overal air superiority in the theater. Numerous raids on Hailar and and Blagoveshchensk by the Russian AF have proved ineffective while fighter sweeps into the Eastern Front have been rather successful in suppressing the Russian fighters. IJ AF losses have been 11 fighters to the USSR AF's 24 fighters over the time period.

Reported Losses to ground forces by air bombardment during the time period:

Men Guns Vehicles

IJA 135 3 0
USSR 602 8 2

WESTERN FRONT:

The 6th Army reports major set backs along all fronts except for Hailar where Russian forces seem to be stalemated. the Mongolian Cavalry Divisions to the Southwest of Hailar have all been driven back except for the division still moving on Ulan Bator, but this unit reports that there are two Soviet units occupying the town at present. IGS is unsure as to what these two units consist of. Otherwise, the Soviets have assembled two strong "Strike Forces" to take Oboto and Tamsag [each "Strike Force" appears to be consisted of a Rifle Division and an Artillery Regiment].

The Soviet "Strike Force" from Tamsag ran into stiff resistance from the Kwantanug Brigade just east of Tamsag and appears to have been halted.

Total reported losses along the Western Front are:

Men Guns Vehicles

IJA 4,506 84 2
USSR 2,260 126 2

EASTERN FRONT:

The fighting along this front has been very determined by both sides. The 5th Army has captured the cities of Vladivostock and Uglahamenski and destroyed numerous units of the Soviet Army. However the fighting along the 3rd Army front has resulted in the penetration of this front by Soviet forces with the capture of Chiamussu and the encirclement of Mishan. IJA forces from the 5th Army are driving on Iman [into the rear of the Soviet forces penetrating our center at Chiamussu and Mishan]. Forces from China and Korea are entering the 3rd Army area to bolster that front so the southern drive can develope properly [we knew that this could be a problem from the otset of this campaign].

Air forces from the 5th Army area are re-deploying to Vladivostock to support this effort. A Russian Division from the Korea area attempted to enter the Valdivostock defense zone and was totally destroyed. Units from the 3rd Army at Mishan are surrounded but have been given orders to "hold at all costs" - they have decisively repelled the most recent Soviet onslaught.

The 20th ant 4th Army in the Blagoveshchenski area have essentiall stalemated the Soviets in that area. Three [3] Mongolian Cavalry Divisinns have sucessfully crossed the Amur River ad are moving west to seize Soviet cities that are undefended. This effort may relieve pressure of the Western Front Forces.

Losses to date along the Eastern Front are as follows:

Men Guns Vehicles

IJA 30,802 1,470 61
USSR 32,188 672 65

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 6/15/2006 12:39:14 AM

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Glad to see this continuing as it offers an interesting insight into the ramifications of attacking the Soviet Union, something I intend to do in my game... if a bit later than your attack.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 6/15/2006 12:51:20 AM

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2/22/42 IJA Briefing on the Siberian Russian Campaign

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Although the weather is rather tame for this time of year, air activity was relatively light. Hailar was bombed twice this day with losses being light. IJAF conducted air strikes on the 79th Rifle Division, 102 Regional Fortress and the 7th Base Force with dissappointing results.

WESTERN FRONT:

Activity along this front was light with bomardment and counter-bombardment being exhanged. Unfortunately, IJA forces got the worst of the exchange. Russian forces appear to be pausing in light of the stiff resistance provided by the IJA near Tamsag.

Russian high command has yet to react to the presence of three Mongolian Cavalry Divisions now entering their rear area just North and West of Borzya. We hope that their presence hasn't been detected due to their vigorous activity in and around Hailar.

EASTERN FRONT:

A well coordinated attack by IJA's 20th Army in the Blagoveshchensk area resulted in severe losses to the Soviet forces defending the city. IJA losses were moderate, but given the fact that our forces took the offensive, the size of the Soviet losses were impressive. Soviet bombardment was with little effect.

The presence of the 35th Rifle Division in Sunwu is being hotly contested by units of the IJA's 4th Army. Although the Soviet Division managed to cross the Amur River it has lost heavily in the subsequent shock attack and bombardments by IJA while they plan an attack within the next two days.

The IJA's 3rd Army appears to have stablized the the center for the time being. Soviet activity in this area has been quite as we suspect they are trying to regroup before IJA reinforcements arrive from China. Several measures are being undertaken to stop their advance - one of which may be a shortness of supply in the area for the Soviet forces.

The IJA's 5th Army conducted another attack on the Soviet forces just Northwest of Uglahamensk. Each side sustained about the same amount of losses but the Soviet force is substantially smaller and may not be able to take further losses of this nature. The 5th Army will again attack tomorrow to see if they can be dislodged on our drive the Iman [which may well relieve the pressure we are experiencing in the center with the 3rd Army.

We note that another Soviet unit [another Rifle Division] is moving on Vladivostock from the Korean border. the 29th and 11th Infantry Divisions will be therre to greet this unit.

Losses for this day:

IJA: 1,867 men, 96 guns and 8 vehicles
USSR: 3,354 men, 65 guns and 16 vehicles.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 6/21/2006 5:54:43 AM

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2/23/42 - IJA Briefing on the Siberian Russian Campaign.

AIR CAMPAIGN:

This day reslted in a very light day of air activity. Numerous air strike occurred over the theather. Losses were light in both men and material.

WESTERN FRONT:

Mongolian Cavalry moved into Ulan Bator and prepared a reconn-by-artillery [bombardment] on the town before undertaking any attack. The only other action was around Hailar with bombardment and counter-bombardment - resulting in light losses to both sides.

EASTERN FRONT:

The 20th Army attacked once more with even results on both sides. IGS is of the opinion that the Russians are low on supply. There appears to be no reaction to the three Mongolian Cavalry Divisions moving deeply into the Russian western front - for now.

The 4th Army is holding Sunwu and bombarding the 35th Rifle Division outside of the city. The 35th RD is in trouble.

Russian units around Mishan [3rd Army] have bombarded but with little effect. Units in Mishan still hold with a grip of steel.

The 5th Army continuesw their attck on the Russian units North of Ulgahamensk infilicting losses in an attritiion type battle - they cannot last long.

The 11th and 29th IDs in Vladivostock have noted the arrival of the 40th Russian RD and will strike it today hoping to force its surrender in several days.

Total Losses to date:

Men Guns Vehicles
IJA 40,158 1,752 79
USSR 40,088 932 92

We hope that tomorrow, nealry a month into the campaign, that the strength of the Imperial Army and Air Force, with bring us victory!

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 6/26/2006 3:21:12 AM

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2/24/42 - IJA Briefing on Siberian-Russian Campaign:

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Very light air activity has been reported this day. IJAF air strikes on the 40th Russian RD at Vladivostock and the 7th Russian Base Force at Hailar reported light losses to the Soviets.

WESTERN FRONT:

6th Army Area:

The bomardment recon on Ulan Bator resulted in light losses to the Mongolian CD in the area. A bold, yet uncounseled counter-attack by the Soviet units in the city, resulted in substantially more losses to the Soviets. It is clear to IJA staff that the Soviets have moved into position units that have not been noted in the general reinforcement lists of the USSR [i.e., be careful boys the game brings in divisions not noted in the rules].
Hailar area undergoes bombardment and counter-bombardment with the IJA getting the worst of the lot.

EASTERN FRONT:

20th Army:

Battery and counter-battery fire from both sides yields equal heavy losses on both sides. However, the Soviets do not appear to have noticed that three Mongolian CDs that have penetrated deeply into their Eastern Front and are now in position to take Rukhlovo and penetrate deep toward Chita. Hopefully, this will relieve pressure along our Western Front.

4th Army:

Bombardment of Sunwu by the Soviet 35th RD yields little results for the Soviets - however, losses for the Soviets are 6 to 1 against.

3rd Army:

Air recon notes that three Soviet units are moving toward Harbin from Chiamussu with three units and three more move behind them. IJA units at Harbin will be reinforced by the 59th ID from China within two to three days and five [5] additional divisions within the week. The loss of Harbin would result in the isolation of the 6th, 20th and 4th Armies to its North - an unacceptable situation to the Emperor!. IJA staff believe that the Soviets will be stopped.

5th Army:

The bulk of the 5th Army is still attacking toward Inman with less than impressive progress - the terrain has a great deal to do with this problem - however the 5th Army appears to have the upperhand in this fight.
THe Soviet Attack of Vladivostock failed with substantial losses to the Soviet forces - the counter-attack of the IJA present resulted in further heavy losses to the Soviet 40th RD. IJA intelligence still has yet to account for the Soviet 32nd and 105th RD reported to be in the area of the Korean border.

Losses 2/24/42:

IJA - 2,046 men - 46 guns - 5 vehicles
USSR - 2,334 men - 85 guns - 7 vehicles

Total Losses to date:

IJA - 42,204 men - 1,771 guns - 84 vehicles
USSR - 42,422 men - 1,020 guns - 99 vehicles

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/10/2006 7:52:05 PM

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2/25/42 - IJA Briefing on Siberian-Russian Campaign:

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Air activity along all fronts has been light as had the day before. There have been reported fighter sweeps in the Hailar area of the 6th Army. Air strikes in the Hailar area have resulted in light losses to both sides. Major air movements have been done into the Vladivostock area by the IJAF in an attempt to re-position our fighter and bomber squadrons to better deal with the set-backs in the area of the 3rd Army [central portion of the Eastern Front].

WESTERN FRONT:

6th Army:

In the Hailar area, forces have exchanged artillery fire with the IJA taking most of the losses [we believe that this is due to some faulty fortification construction that is presently being corrected].

The Mongolian Cavalry Division was driven from Ulan Bator by, what we believe is, the 325th Soviet Rifle Division with moderate losses to the Division. 6th Army HQ believes that the deep penetrations of the Mongolian Cavalry Divisions in this area have been blunted and must be placed into a defensive mode at this point. This request is presently being considered in light of all other events in this theater.

We have reports that the 5th Mongolian Cavalry Division [from the 20th Army] has captured the Soviet town of Ruhklovo deep in the Russian rear along the Western Front. IJA considers this welcome news since it may require the Soviets to rethink their offensive operations in the Hailar area as well as points to the south of that city.

EASTERN FRONT:

20th Army:

Both sides have conducted rather ineffectual bombardment operations resulting in small losses to both sides. Supply and fatigue may be playing a factor.

4th Army:

Rather disturbing losses were sustained by the Army in their attack on the 35th Rifle Division outside of Sunwu.

Considering removing the Army commander, but will see how this critial battle progress in the next couple of days.

3rd Army:

Harbin has been reinforced by the 59th Infantry Division and this should bolster the defense of that city pending the arrival of several more divisions from China. The removal of the 35th Rifle Division from Sunwu would greatly aid the Harbin defenders.

Mishan was bombarded today with light losses.

5th Army:

Bombardments were exchanged with the Soviet forces to the Northeast of Vladivostock with the Soviets getting the worst of the fight. Our attack on the 40th Rifle Division in the Vladivostock area resulted in lighter losses to each side than anticipated - the attack will continue over the next week while the air forces area assembled in the city.

Today's Losses:

IJA - 1,510 men, 52 guns, 9 vehicles
USSR - 535 men, 17 guns, 3 vehicles

TOTAL LOSSES TO DATE:

IJA - 43,719 men, 1,823 guns, 93 vehicles
USSR - 42, 957 men, 1,037 guns, 102 vehicles

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/10/2006 8:39:54 PM

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I have a dumb question... I am at work and do not have access to the manual.

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It is clear to IJA staff that the Soviets have moved into position units that have not been noted in the general reinforcement lists of the USSR [i.e., be careful boys the game brings in divisions not noted in the rules].

If the IJA invades the US West Coast, it triggers the game engine to automatically advance (land units only?) the reinforcement schedule of the US by some (6?) months.

Does this also apply to Russia, Australia, and India, for their respective national forces?

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/10/2006 9:02:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mlees

I have a dumb question... I am at work and do not have access to the manual.

quote:

It is clear to IJA staff that the Soviets have moved into position units that have not been noted in the general reinforcement lists of the USSR [i.e., be careful boys the game brings in divisions not noted in the rules].

If the IJA invades the US West Coast, it triggers the game engine to automatically advance (land units only?) the reinforcement schedule of the US by some (6?) months.

Does this also apply to Russia, Australia, and India, for their respective national forces?

No - this only happens if the West Coast of N.A. is invaded. A Japanese player can invade the Soviets, India or Australia without any negative impact.

Why, you may ask?

1 - Because the original designers of the Game believed that no one would invade Siberia, and if they did the weather would stop them. Unfortunately, weather does not stop LCUs.

2 - Because the original designers of the Game believed that no one would go all the way to Karachi to capture it and that any invasions of India would begin and end in the Bay of Bengal and the Burmese border.

3 - Because the original designers of the Game believed that an invasion of Australia was historically possible but that the distances involved, as well as the Japanese supply lines, would cause any such invasion to bog down. (They may well do so - I'm not aware of anyone who has conquered all of Australia.)

BTW - There is a period in 1942 during which the US player doesn't get much as far as combat troops are concerned. An invasion of N.A. in early 1942 would cause a lot of engineers and base forces to appear, but few good infantry divisions. And against a multi-division invasion of crack Japanese infantry, you need all the good infantry divisions that you can get.

Cheers -

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/10/2006 10:13:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

quote:

ORIGINAL: mlees

I have a dumb question... I am at work and do not have access to the manual.

quote:

It is clear to IJA staff that the Soviets have moved into position units that have not been noted in the general reinforcement lists of the USSR [i.e., be careful boys the game brings in divisions not noted in the rules].

If the IJA invades the US West Coast, it triggers the game engine to automatically advance (land units only?) the reinforcement schedule of the US by some (6?) months.

Does this also apply to Russia, Australia, and India, for their respective national forces?

No - this only happens if the West Coast of N.A. is invaded. A Japanese player can invade the Soviets, India or Australia without any negative impact.

Why, you may ask?

1 - Because the original designers of the Game believed that no one would invade Siberia, and if they did the weather would stop them. Unfortunately, weather does not stop LCUs.

2 - Because the original designers of the Game believed that no one would go all the way to Karachi to capture it and that any invasions of India would begin and end in the Bay of Bengal and the Burmese border.

3 - Because the original designers of the Game believed that an invasion of Australia was historically possible but that the distances involved, as well as the Japanese supply lines, would cause any such invasion to bog down. (They may well do so - I'm not aware of anyone who has conquered all of Australia.)

BTW - There is a period in 1942 during which the US player doesn't get much as far as combat troops are concerned. An invasion of N.A. in early 1942 would cause a lot of engineers and base forces to appear, but few good infantry divisions. And against a multi-division invasion of crack Japanese infantry, you need all the good infantry divisions that you can get.

Cheers -

Dave Baranyi

I would respectfully disagree with ya ADavidB. My pre-war intelligence indicated that the Soviets will receive only engineer units as reinforcements during the entire spand f the war. I also carefully noted the dispositions of the Soviet forces in Siberia and did not note the Infantry division that I just ran into at Ulan Bator [325th RD I believe].

In this invasion I have run into several infantry and armoured units not noted in the reinforcement schedule and such is not noted in the rules.

Additionally, the manual clearly indicates that if IJA forces cross map reference 132, 132 [I believe] that it releases several 4 to 6 Infantry Divisions in the USA [now these may be National Guard, but at least your warned about the possibility].

In my case there is no such warning - one would assume that because Stalin was so focused on his German "friends" that the availavility of reinforcements to deal with the Japanese would have to wait until he dealt with the Germans - the much more immediate and dangerous threat.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/10/2006 10:25:17 PM

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I would respectfully disagree with ya ADavidB. My pre-war intelligence indicated that the Soviets will receive only engineer units as reinforcements during the entire spand f the war. I also carefully noted the dispositions of the Soviet forces in Siberia and did not note the Infantry division that I just ran into at Ulan Bator [325th RD I believe].

In this invasion I have run into several infantry and armoured units not noted in the reinforcement schedule and such is not noted in the rules.

Additionally, the manual clearly indicates that if IJA forces cross map reference 132, 132 [I believe] that it releases several 4 to 6 Infantry Divisions in the USA [now these may be National Guard, but at least your warned about the possibility].

In my case there is no such warning - one would assume that because Stalin was so focused on his German "friends" that the availavility of reinforcements to deal with the Japanese would have to wait until he dealt with the Germans - the much more immediate and dangerous threat.

That's interesting news. I've only played the Soviets vs Japanese (and reverse) in the late war scenario, not in 1941/42, so I haven't seen that.

I do seem to remember that additional Soviet units were added to the Game in one of the early revs because the original forces could be overrun almost instantly.

A number of us have suggested that additional Soviet troops should be released upon invasion in a manner analogous to the way that Thai units are released if Allied Chinese units invade Indo-China.

Maybe one of the Devs can clear this up.

As far as the US release goes, I've heard and read conflicting comments. Some say that it is 6 month's worth of land forces moved ahead, others say that it is 6 National Guard units. Again, I've never played a match where this was triggered so I can't say for myself.

Thanks for the input -

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/10/2006 10:30:24 PM

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quote:

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quote:

I would respectfully disagree with ya ADavidB. My pre-war intelligence indicated that the Soviets will receive only engineer units as reinforcements during the entire spand f the war. I also carefully noted the dispositions of the Soviet forces in Siberia and did not note the Infantry division that I just ran into at Ulan Bator [325th RD I believe].

In this invasion I have run into several infantry and armoured units not noted in the reinforcement schedule and such is not noted in the rules.

Additionally, the manual clearly indicates that if IJA forces cross map reference 132, 132 [I believe] that it releases several 4 to 6 Infantry Divisions in the USA [now these may be National Guard, but at least your warned about the possibility].

In my case there is no such warning - one would assume that because Stalin was so focused on his German "friends" that the availavility of reinforcements to deal with the Japanese would have to wait until he dealt with the Germans - the much more immediate and dangerous threat.

That's interesting news. I've only played the Soviets vs Japanese (and reverse) in the late war scenario, not in 1941/42, so I haven't seen that.

I do seem to remember that additional Soviet units were added to the Game in one of the early revs because the original forces could be overrun almost instantly.

A number of us have suggested that additional Soviet troops should be released upon invasion in a manner analogous to the way that Thai units are released if Allied Chinese units invade Indo-China.

Maybe one of the Devs can clear this up.

As far as the US release goes, I've heard and read conflicting comments. Some say that it is 6 month's worth of land forces moved ahead, others say that it is 6 National Guard units. Again, I've never played a match where this was triggered so I can't say for myself.

Thanks for the input -

Dave Baranyi

I must admit I was troubled by this revelation, but if I was warned that "it will trigger additional forces from Western Russia" I would have not complaint [fore-warned is fore-armed].

As for the US - I would assume that any Divisions "released" would be National Guard type [i.e., Vietnamese].

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/11/2006 3:03:16 AM

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I must admit I was troubled by this revelation, but if I was warned that "it will trigger additional forces from Western Russia" I would have not complaint [fore-warned is fore-armed].

As for the US - I would assume that any Divisions "released" would be National Guard type [i.e., Vietnamese].

Okay, I just tested this out on a head-to-head game and I confirmed the following:

1 - A Chinese invasion of Hanoi brings three "VM" divisions into various Indo-Chineses cities.

2 - A Japanese invasion of the Soviet Union doesn't bring any additional troops to the Soviets, nor does it speed up the release of the ones that are due later.

3 - A Japanese invasion of the West Coast of the US causes the upcoming six months of land and air replacements to appear, not "National Guardsmen".

I have a save of the game if you want to check it out yourself. I will post a more detailed report in the main Forum section.

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/11/2006 3:28:10 AM

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FWIW ...I've been working on a revised Soviet OoB in my spare time for another project....

The OoB in stock is a joke and hopefully if the Soviets are ever revised the "Northern Option" will no longer be an option for the Japanese....

I can't quote exact numbers off the top of my head but lets just say that the starting Soviet divisions should be corps and multiply the artillery by 10.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/11/2006 8:26:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: ADavidB

quote:

I must admit I was troubled by this revelation, but if I was warned that "it will trigger additional forces from Western Russia" I would have not complaint [fore-warned is fore-armed].

As for the US - I would assume that any Divisions "released" would be National Guard type [i.e., Vietnamese].

Okay, I just tested this out on a head-to-head game and I confirmed the following:

1 - A Chinese invasion of Hanoi brings three "VM" divisions into various Indo-Chineses cities.

2 - A Japanese invasion of the Soviet Union doesn't bring any additional troops to the Soviets, nor does it speed up the release of the ones that are due later.

3 - A Japanese invasion of the West Coast of the US causes the upcoming six months of land and air replacements to appear, not "National Guardsmen".

I have a save of the game if you want to check it out yourself. I will post a more detailed report in the main Forum section.

Dave Baranyi

Thanks Dave.

How far out did you do the USSR? Because any reinforcements may arrive 10-15 days after an initial attack. Also any indication that the Soviet Air Force gets accelerated replacements?

I ask this because the Chinese invasion actually brings in 3 VM Divisions immediately and a 4th a day later in Hue.

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/11/2006 11:53:07 PM

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How far out did you do the USSR? Because any reinforcements may arrive 10-15 days after an initial attack. Also any indication that the Soviet Air Force gets accelerated replacements?

I ask this because the Chinese invasion actually brings in 3 VM Divisions immediately and a 4th a day later in Hue.

I only went out to December 19. I didn't see any change in the dates of the Soviet replacements, nor did I see any Soviet replacements "appear" as with the VM units in Indo-China.

I've never seen any reports of late arriving Soviet reinforcements. I would expect that they would be mentioned in the notes just as the VM troops and the US 6-month pull-up are mentioned. The fact that the Devs added more Soviet units to the OOB in one of the early revisions of the Game suggests to me that there aren't any units "waiting behind the curtain" to appear.

Once again, maybe the Devs can comment upon this just in case there are any "Easter Eggs" for an early Soviet activation.

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/20/2006 11:37:05 PM

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IJA Briefing - 2/26/42 - Siberian-Russian Campaign

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Mutual air strikes today in the Blagoveshchensk and Hailar areas of the front. Losses on both sides were modest.

WESTERN FRONT:

6th Army:

This front was very quite this day with only a Soviet bombardment along the Hailar defensive lines to break what was otherwise a silent day. Mongolian Cavalry Divisions continue to penetrate the Soviet line to the North ot Hailar with no apparent reaction, yet, by Soviet forces.

EASTERN FRONT:

20th Army:

Bombardment and counter-bombardment was the order-of-the-day. Forces exchanged artillery fire all day with the Soviets by far taking the worst of the punishment.

4th Army:

Japanese Forces still control Sunwu and conducted a bombardment of the 35th Rifle Division with no apparent results that affected the Soviet unit.

3rd Army:

Soviets conducted another daily bombardment of Mishan with light losses to IJA forces besieged in that city. Soviet forces are moving on Mutachiang just South of Mishan in an attempt to seize that city - they will be surprised by the presence of IJA combat units. Soviets appear to be holding up their advance on Harbin. This bodes well for the IJA since forces from China are now much closer to the city.

5th Army:

Most of the ground combat occurred with this Army today. the 23rd and 19th IJA Divisions attacked the Soviet 40th Rifle Division outside Vladivostock. It appears that the Soviet is holding on by mere threads.

Just to the Northwest of Vladivostock IJA forces attacked to rifle divisions and a frontier artillery unit with resuling heavy losses - however, Soviet fortifications in the area have been substantially reduced.

DAILY LOSSES:

IJA - 1,283 men, 29 guns, 3 vehicles
USSR - 1,000 men, 43 guns, 4 vehicles

CAMPAIGN LOSSES TO DATE:

IJA - 45,002 men, 1,852 guns, 96 vehicles
USSR - 43,957 men, 1,080 guns, 106 vehicles

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/21/2006 12:53:57 PM

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FWIW ...I've been working on a revised Soviet OoB in my spare time for another project....

The OoB in stock is a joke and hopefully if the Soviets are ever revised the "Northern Option" will no longer be an option for the Japanese....

I can't quote exact numbers off the top of my head but lets just say that the starting Soviet divisions should be corps and multiply the artillery by 10.

just remember that a Russian Tank Corps is the size of a Western Armoured Div (about 190 tanks and 3 infantry battallions plus support)

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RE: Siberian Train Wreck Vol. 1 - 7/24/2006 12:32:14 AM

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IJA Briefing - 2/27/42 - Siberian-Russian Campaign

AIR CAMPAIGN:

Air strikes were the order of the day in and around Hailar causing moderate to light losses to both sides. An airstrike on the 40th Rifle Division in the Vladivostock area resulted in light losses to the Soviet. For some reason, the 40th RD was able to move north into the city of Uglahamensk - the 29th ID is in pursuit.

A fighter sweep over Inman resulted in a 3 to 1 fighter loss ratio in favor of the IJAF.

WESTERN FRONT:

6th Army:

Mongolian Cavalry continue to move deep into the Soviet rear area. There is some indication that the Soviet has moved a unit to block our force moving south from Ruhlov. Two additional cavalry divisions are moving along the rail toward Chita. A surprisingly heavy bombardment on Hailar results in substantial loss of life to the Hailar garrison. Our counter-bombardment yielded highly unsatisfactory results by comparison.

WESTERN FRONT:

20th Army:

Bombardment and counter-bombardment is the reported activity here with similar resulting losses.

4th Army:

Bombardment of the Soviet around the city of Sunwu results in little except expended ammunition. Five IJA soldiers were lost when a faulty artillery round exploded prematurely.

Army G-2 reports that the Soviet is moving three units up from the South. Will attack the Soviet 35th Rifle Division tomorrow - in the hope of driving it out of Sunwu before the arrival of their reinforcements.

3rd Army:

No reported activity from this Army.

5th Army:

A vigirous attack by the 19th and 29th ID on the 40th Rifle Division resulted in lop-sided losses for the IJA. The 40th has now moved North into Uglahamensk [how they slipped through our lines is under investigation - we suspect a Soviet spy].

IJA units from China have entered Manchuko - headed for Harbin.

DAILY LOSSES:

IJA - 1,819 men, 38 guns, 5 vehicles
USSR - 517 men, 8 guns, 1 vehicle

CAMPAIGN LOSSES:

IJA - 46,821 men, 1,890 guns, 101 vehicles
USSR - 44,474 men, 1,088 guns, 107 vehicles

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