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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 5:06:18 PM

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it is not a best idea to reveal carriers so early for so little

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 7:24:20 PM

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Greetings Pauk-San!

An important battle ahead of you..no doubt.
It's a tricky question; should I go in or should I not.

Well, early 1943 and I would say go for it. Still, most of my carrier battles
ended in..not great successes

Worst FUBARS:
1. Carriers react
2. Fighters doesn't escort bombers
3. Too few bombers take of to hit the enemy

Very difficult to avoid all this: have you chosen aggressive or more careful commanders?
Personally it hasn't made much difference for me.

Still, I don't think Andy want to engage you in a cv battle right now. He got everything to
win by waiting. He will be running supply convoys to PM and perhaps try to fly in some ac
from his carriers.

So I would prepare for a CV battle, move in and slaughter the enemy convoys and hope for
a decisive victory over any carriers near PM.

Another big decision: What CAP setting will you use? I would suggest 60% - somehow I don't like
odd numbers

I would suggest the easy way in past Gili Gili. Provide as much LRCAP as possible, this made
my day in the Solomons while playing UV. Another danger is to follow enemy ships too close to
Oz and LBA. Don't!

Use your carriers as protection for your battlewagons on their way to bombard PM if you decide
it's worth a go against the pestersome PT boats.

Finally, use LOTS and LOTS of search planes. Cram more long range Emilys into your forward bases,
fly recon missions to Oz and PM. I would also use 2 fast scout units consisting of 1 CS and a single
destroyer. The CS can have some 20 ac, and while the Rufe's ain't worth the effort the long range Alf
type search planes can give you an edge. By maximizing your sub patrols, putting all Glens on naval
search, you increase the chance of detecting the enemy first. I often fly night fighter-bombers missions against
enemy bases as well.

Combine all your assets and deliver a telling blow!

The enemy will only get stronger, so there's nothing to wait for...

Banzai!!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 7:52:59 PM

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VSWG - thanks for the compliments on maps - but i do think your maps are quite better. Keep up the good work! As for your idea, Sneer is right... our best weapon is that enemy don't know we are so close.....

Many thanks, PzB...

Yes it is a tricky question - and final decision will be only mine. If i screw it, than all critics will go to me (because i'm the only one who really (should) know actual situation 100 %), if i win i need to thanks you all guys. I really appreciate your help!

My commanders should suit for their role, but you never know with the game. I'm trying to avoid FUBARs you've mentioned - each carrier division have less than 200 ac. Will it work i do no have clue....

Yes, there is still danger of unescorted strikes, i do remember your CV battles in the middle of the WiTP. So, my option would be waiting for enemy CVs under my LBA and IJA AF umbrella with strong CAP rather than this bold strike almost outside LBA range and without any port 3 base nearby... (someone would mention why you didn't expand GG or Buna and would be right - but the catch 22 is that Andy probably wouldn't go for PM or he would not play in that way - the latter is 100 % for sure).

I will recive two Unryus in next two months so you can understand my hestiation to go with such bold strike (and the fact that Andy will use 90 % CAP - im quite sure about that but can't gamble with that!!!!). Perhaps i could hurt him beter with two Unryus but until than PM won't be closed and i won't have a chance to even get closer PM!

LR CAP from GG is not possible at the moment - not enough air support and lvl 1 AF (don't be harsh guys on me it is impossible to keep an eye on all!) but i can move naval LBA to Lae and hurt his CAP.

But, you mad a point - the enemy will be stronger day by day and i can't count that i would have another chance.... so... no turn to Andy today, Imperial Pauk family have a material to think!

how it will look a like:

general Pauk:

well, my dearest nephew, wait an save your assests, you will recive new carriers and one Naval Praetorian Daitai (95+exp). Enemy will be fooled and wouldn't expect that you will force CV battle so late in the game, especially when we know that you've avoided dangerous situation so far... patience, patience and i can promise you will be remember as geatest of all admirals of all times....

admiral Paukashawa: Nothing wrong with that, but can't you realise that Allies becomes only stronger, day by day. I won't have another opportunity like that and we can caught him off guard. We have supperiority in figher quality, both the ac and our brave pilots. This will gonna change soon... no i think i should go for it. Didn't you listen our experts?

Anyway, if we lose, we can always complain on the forum how Japan is screwed in the game, right?

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 7:56:18 PM

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Yet I think the idea of using the Stanley range as a natural barrier is still interesting if it can avoid reacting, and make you unattackable. Killing fighters over PM, then sending bombers while he can't do anything with his short leg navy fighters, that's something!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 8:04:21 PM

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not sure Fish if CVs will react directly towards enemy TF (and therefore "crash" into PNG) or, what is more logical follow sea route and react right down... this is most secure option in turn or two, but if my bombers doesn't attack PM he will transfer lots of corsairs there and i would lost any chance for naval bombardment of the PM base... i know, i know... i'm old grumpy creature....

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 8:08:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sneer

it is not a best idea to reveal carriers so early for so little

"So little"?

I thought the enemy carries were at PM? I would strike them as long as they are in a base hex and the -50 % air operations modifier applies to them.

Edit: Crosspost. Good point.

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 8:11:25 PM

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Given the current date in this game the upcoming battle will be intresting. I would say that it is 50%-50% chance of either side winning this one.

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 9:02:44 PM

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With what you have massed-- I believe the time would be now. The Advantage of many carrier TFs is you get cap form all the TFs but only one carrier can hit at a time. This battle may as close as you can get to your back yard. Too bad GG can't give much as for air support, and Rabaul is as full as it can be with long zeros and betties. Good luck, all us will be watching.

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/16/2006 9:52:45 PM

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quote:

Greetings Pauk-San!

An important battle ahead of you..no doubt.
It's a tricky question; should I go in or should I not.

Don't listen to jaleous�saboteurs peacemongers like PzB!

quote:

However, if i do nothing there, my AF can say goodbye China.

Stop hesitating: you'd better take good old Walter Sobchak's advice on China and about making your stand in PM!

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What the f*ck are you talking about? The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT...

here's A�respected and successful veteran's opinion on these matters is always�invaluable

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Remember Khe San!
Draw your own line in the New Guinean jungle, they shall no pass!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/17/2006 3:23:21 PM

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After a long discussion betwen two most influenced leaders at Imperial HQ, the Emperor approwed AB-go. B wariant of this extremely cuning

plan probably won't happen cause i do not intent to go into PTs nest. We shall see how much PTs are at PM tomorrow, and after that we will decide what with "B" variant (and also decide on my future moves and counter-measures against uber-PTs).

AB also stands fro "Achtung baby" if anyone is interested.... our plan was approved after deep analysis about current situation:

1. Extremely bad weather could prevent our strikes from Lae and Siador so this is one of reasons for naval/AF attack. Hopefully my army bombers will fly at least in one phase. On the other side, T-storms could hide KB just one more turn and Mobile carrier strike force can get into better attacking position. All fighers at Lae and Siador are on escort duty.

2. We are aware that enemy CVs could protect enemy transports sailing towards PM. In that case our Army AF will be decimated and perhaps slaughered! But this is a calculated risk and i'm ready to sacrify even 100 army bombers if that would mean a decisive victory against enemy CVs in the Coral sea.

3. All TB, DB and figters on CVs are limited to 4 hex. We want to move closer PM sea route hidden.

So, the peak of the AB-go should happen a day after tomorrow....

In the best scenario, my Army bombers would attack enemy tranports which would be protected with CAP from enemy CVs while KB will remain unspoted. Next turn we could deliver a mortal blow to enemy from KB and naval LBA which will be transfered to Lae next turn....From now we can only hope that Andy will become hasty and greedy....

I know that i'm dancing on thin line, but this is a best option to keep agressivity while not being stupid in the same time. BANZAI!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/17/2006 6:32:54 PM

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Isn't it dangerous to station CVs TFs in shallow water hexes?
But I doubt it will matter as the TFs will react toward each other anyway

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/17/2006 8:20:56 PM

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perhaps, but who cares?

...you are right - I avoiding such extravagant moves but this was only chance that my CVEs joins KB. Anyway nothing happend and Imperial HQ must consider other options about Britus fleet position!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/14/43

PNG

The enemy know where is KB now! Only few recon planes were left in PM and one of them spot our mighty fleet! Situation is getting even more complicated - enemy convoy fleed to the west (to Cairns) and still no sign of enemy Britus fleet. On the other hand, enemy activicy in the Central Pacific increases - couple of enemy merchant fleets spoted deep in the enemy rear areas form our naval LBA on search. One ship is recognised DMS Travor - hm this class are perfect for the Marshalls invasion - so it's possible that Britus fleet sails towards Tarawa!

My army bombers fly in the afternoon phase and closed PM 100 % if you can believe japanese recon....

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 48
Ki-21 Sally x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
16 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 45
Ki-49 Helen x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 21000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet

CHINA

I guess this is infamous leaking CAP! Fortunalty no Corsairs over the Kunming skies and IJA AF claimed one more easy victory!

Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 40
Ki-21 Sally x 21
Ki-49 Helen x 44
Ki-46-III Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 11
I-153c x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 10 destroyed
I-153c: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 55

at 6000 feet

And the last of the Chinese troops forced to retreat towards Kunming. It was close call as you may see, but Konichiwa-go is not closed down yet! Got a 48 VP (to my 6) due ground loses but what is really important is defeated Chinese units lost all their supply and will have to suck supply from Yunan i guess

Ground combat at 40,35

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 193990 troops, 2004 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 3368

Defending force 74272 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1357

Japanese max assault: 3084 - adjusted assault: 1325

Allied max defense: 1308 - adjusted defense: 610

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
3258 casualties reported
Guns lost 121

Allied ground losses:
1337 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/17/2006 9:18:00 PM

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/17/2006 9:37:03 PM

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Be patient Paukshawa San!
Stay close to PM and starve it into submission. By basing your fleet at Rabaul you can
intercept an enemy threat to both the Marshalls and Southern PNG

I didn't think Andy would bring his carriers to PM....before you left the area
He's very squeamish with them as long as he doesn't have twice as many as his opponent <G>

Good luck against the PT boat pests!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/19/2006 4:21:36 AM

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With still no news from the C-in-C, every new hour without Paukushawa was making the atmosphere heavier in the Imperial HQ...

have you any idea of what we're enduring now for 2 or 3 days? Wanna wait for us to have a heart attack or what?
I can't wait anymore!

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/19/2006 3:56:21 PM

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personally my choice is a fatman!

Fish, this is my clever strategy to increase hits - as you know this war have nothing with Andy anymore

, i have to teach Jamie Oliver look a like creature who is the best and most popular player on the forum. So, i contrived "a decisive battle could happens" and then live audience without any news (it worked - app 150 hits and only one post!)

Seriously, i was on short trip outside town - have a lot of free time today and already sent turn to Andy. But it seems he is out now...

So we can only wait for turn.

If PzB is right there would be no CV battle in Coral sea. My increased naval search didn't spot enemy ships there so it seems he is right.

I ordered one Zero daitai from CVEs on naval attack and one Jack Daitai from Lae - this robust fighter have 4 x 20 mm guns and it should be a PT killer. Lets hope my ac will attack these pesky boats tomorrow.

Fleet is moving closer PM and taking position for naval bombardment...

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/19/2006 6:58:35 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/15/43

CHINA

IJA still keeping Chungking AF closed down - look at the enemy casaulties (about 40 units at Chungking)

Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 77
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 78
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
626 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 189

at 6000 feet

Chengtu is also not forgotten - my Sallys from Sian visit this place from time to time.

Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 106

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 108
at 6000 feet

PNG

Figter sweeps against PTs at PM were quite dissapointment. Zero Daitai from CVE couldn't locate
the enemy. My crack Jack Daitai (80 exp) found the enemy and delivers all their ordonance but only one PT sunk after. It is funny when 0.5 caliber can often sunk japanese DD, but bigger caliber (20 mm - 0.8 inch)wasn't proved deadly as allied 0.5 caliber against "heavily armed" PT boats.

Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT PT-169, Shell hits 12, on fire
PT PT-166, Shell hits 4
PT PT-164, Shell hits 8, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (SINKS)
PT PT-168, Shell hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet
4 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet
4 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet
4 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet
4 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet
4 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet
4 x J2M Jack attacking at 100 feet

Still, PM is closed - according to my recon 100%!.

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 41
Ki-49 Helen x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
149 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 30

at 6000 feet

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RE: EAGLE DAY my ass (II) - 8/19/2006 7:02:48 PM

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What is the size of PM harbour, can PT boats reload torpedoes there?
If not you could send in some PCs and drain the enemy PT boats torpedo ordnance.

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fierce air battle overPM skies! - 8/19/2006 9:12:34 PM

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You are reading my mind PzB... i had one "mixed" SC into engagement this turn. As for a port size it is big enough, 3 me thinks, but hopefully there is not enough supply there...

My dear Japanese Fanboys, this turn shows why you should NEVER EVER trust your recon/search!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/16/43

My cunning plan with 3 light SC TFs which will clear path to PM failed due mystic design of the naval routines. As you may see, the first TF which arrives at PM was BB TF despite it's speed set to mission speed (4/2) and the fact it was almost a slowest one! (BB FUSO)... two DD TF created in the same hex as BB TF were faster than BB TF, and slowest one( DD+PCs) were only two hexes from PM.

Experts, im listening!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Fuso
CA Aoba
CA Kako
CL Agano
DD Hatsukaze
DD Yudachi
DD Hibiki
DD Ayanami
DD Sazanami
DD Uzuki
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
AK Admiral Gove, Shell hits 23, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

"Forgotten" AK was sunk and after that my main TF engage those pesky PT boats!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Fuso
CA Aoba
CA Kako
CL Agano
DD Hatsukaze, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Yudachi
DD Hibiki
DD Ayanami
DD Sazanami
DD Uzuki
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
PT PT-78
PT PT-165
PT PT-166, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
PT PT-167
PT PT-168
PT PT-169, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

This wasn't crucial damage to DD, but it seems that Hatsukaze is cursed ship!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Fuso
CA Aoba
CA Kako
CL Agano
DD Hatsukaze, on fire
DD Yudachi
DD Hibiki
DD Ayanami
DD Sazanami
DD Uzuki
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
PT PT-77
PT PT-158
PT PT-159
PT PT-160
PT PT-161
PT PT-162, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT PT-163, Shell hits 12, and is sunk

The last engagement wasn't good - Hatsukaze is hit with one more torpedo and i doubt i will save her.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Fuso
CA Aoba
CA Kako
CL Agano
DD Hatsukaze, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yudachi
DD Hibiki
DD Ayanami
DD Sazanami
DD Uzuki
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
PT PT-66
PT PT-67, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-68
PT PT-73
PT PT-74
PT PT-75
PT PT-76, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

The slowest, but the closest of all TFs heading to PM engages the enemy after BB fleet. Results weren't spectacular, but two of my PCs have now night exp +50 which is good for ASW!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 1
DD Arare, Shell hits 1
PG Santos Maru, Shell hits 1
PG Shotoku Maru, Shell hits 3
PC Shonon Maru #15, Shell hits 1
PC Ch 2, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
PT PT-78
PT PT-165
PT PT-167
PT PT-168, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

These guys should arrive BEFORE BB TF, not after...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
DD Oite
DD Hayate
DD Asanagi
DD Yunagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
PT PT-77, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-158
PT PT-159
PT PT-160
PT PT-161, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
DD Oite, Shell hits 1
DD Hayate, Shell hits 1
DD Asanagi, Shell hits 3
DD Yunagi
DD Kasasagi, Shell hits 2
DD Hiyodori

Allied Ships
PT PT-66
PT PT-68, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
PT PT-73, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
PT PT-74
PT PT-75

Third light SC FT arrives also too late...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
DD Ariake
DD Kisaragi
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Yuzuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-78, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT PT-165, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
PT PT-167
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
DD Ariake
DD Kisaragi
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Yuzuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-77, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT PT-158
PT PT-159
PT PT-160

Due to spending ops losses (fighting with 4 enemy fleets) bombardment was dissapointment. You will see why this was so important!

Naval bombardment of Port Moresby, at 53,91

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Aoba
CL Agano
BB Fuso
BB Kongo

Allied ground losses:
323 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 4

That's why! Andy moved Kiwies to PM again. Cant said i was suprised - i didn't believed my recon anyway and i thought that i will caught his ac grounded with BB TF + they will be fatigued.

Day Air attack on TF at 54,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
A6M3 Zero x 17
A6M3a Zero x 200

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9
SBD Dauntless x 16
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-38G Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 22 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 7 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 15 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 8 destroyed

Even a veteran air crew from KB couldn't oppose to the damned Corsairs. Danutless, unfortunatly werent from his carriers..

IJA fighters fought better against Corsairs (they were on escort!)

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 36
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 23
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 49
Ki-21 Sally x 52
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-38G Lightning x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 10 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 11 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 28

at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby - from Lae , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-49 Helen x 32

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
164 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 16
at 6000 feet

Afternoon strike on KB. I have to withdraw KB towards Fergusson island because i don't want to risk with decimated fighter groups and fight against Britus fleet.

Day Air attack on TF at 54,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 182

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9
SBD Dauntless x 3
P-38G Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 8 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 2 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 9 destroyed

Infamous leaking stuff strikes me!

Day Air attack on TF at 54,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
A6M3a Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
SBD Dauntless x 3
P-38G Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

IMPERIAL THOUGHTS

My losses were heavy but i still can replace KB fighter pilots with veteran crew so nothing dramatic there. This could be good for us, actually because enemy would think that we are going to replace our killed pilots with recruits and can be fooled!

Some of you probably recall my statement "We shall see how much PTs are at PM tomorrow, and after that we will decide what with "B" variant (and also decide on my future moves and counter-measures against uber-PTs)."

About "forgoten" ships. Of course they didn't forgotten, enemy AK done their duty. Same as more than 20 PTs in three flotillas. He knew what he is doing exactly. Fine, i won't complain because this is one of very rare tactic which can be turned and used against Allies. Yeah, right, i sunk 14 PTs but i will lost a Kagero class DD - not worth in my oppinion. So much about his statement at the start of the game "i wont use PTs much"....

Paukashawa-san said to us: "take punches without raising your voice - but remember guys, remember and return the favour one day".....

No, i'm not complaining, i'm waiting for revenge....

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RE: fierce air battle overPM skies! - 8/19/2006 9:21:10 PM

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TFs engage according to TF#, not speed....
So TF 1 would engage before TF 2!

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RE: fierce air battle overPM skies! - 8/19/2006 9:25:02 PM

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how stupid! i feel robbed

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RE: fierce air battle overPM skies! - 8/19/2006 10:03:52 PM

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That's a mistake you only do once Pauk

At least you got away with it...one destroyer is a loss you could have suffered anyway.

Regarding your carriers: Keep them away from LBA at PM. This is exactly what Andy wants to achieve.
His blo0dy Uber Corsairs will reduce your numbers quicker than you can replace them.

This is when you have to stick your finger in the ground and ask yourselv the following questions:
For how long can I keep on suppressing PM at such a cost?
Will Andy run out of viable air reinorcement before I do?
Which side will gain most from fighting a prolonged battle of attrition over PM?

Andy will most likely continue to feed the grinder with LBA until the KB is sufficiently weakened, or until
you retire your fleet. Then he will move in supplies and fresh air crews and wear out your remaining fighter/bomber force.

Sorry if this sounds a bit defeatistic ...but I've been fighting Andy for quite some time and I know when the $hit is about
to hit the fan

You need to force a decision or eventually withdraw from PK Paukashava San!!

PS! Attaching plans for a new 'secret' hybrid carrier - armoured ship design

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RE: fierce air battle overPM skies! - 8/20/2006 1:05:08 PM

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yes, perhaps i could even save my DD!

...The truth is i can replace my elite pilots but only once - so you are right - no more carriers closer than 6 hex to the PM.

Nah, it is not defetistic resoning - i would say it is realistic. We can not win in attrition war that's for sure. But i do not like seeing PM fully operational and expanded - yet. If i could get only a month more i would feel much safer. So, we are going to continue with clever plan and fight attrition battle with IJA AF - that we can affort to ourself. But, i'm not going to throw all my assests in the battle, will try to preserve our force as much as we can.

There is one more reason why i will continue with air attacks on PM - as long as Andy is forced to act defensively we are keeping 4 enemy divisions and 3 Sea bees out of action and protecting sea route to ISA via Torres strait.

If the opportunity shows, we could visit PM with Combined fleet again. But, i need T-storms and more safe route to PM (around coral reefs).

Oh, yes - beatiful design - we need wonders to keep those white imperialists outside our inner borders!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/17/43

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One more dissapointment - our fast BB TF didn't achive what we hope for. Two small light SC TF (this time SC TFs had smaller TF# but they didn't engaged PT boats... So, quite a few enemy PT sunk but our bombardment was pathetic...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CA Haguro
CA Ashigara
DD Makigumo
DD Naganami
DD Kuroshio
DD Isokaze
DD Uranami
DD Amagiri

Allied Ships
PT PT-66
PT PT-74
PT PT-75
PT PT-158
PT PT-159
PT PT-160, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PT PT-167
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CA Haguro
CA Ashigara
DD Makigumo, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Naganami, Shell hits 1
DD Kuroshio
DD Isokaze
DD Uranami
DD Amagiri

Allied Ships
PT PT-66
PT PT-74
PT PT-75, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT PT-158, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT PT-159
PT PT-167
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CA Haguro
CA Ashigara
DD Makigumo, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Naganami, Shell hits 3
DD Kuroshio
DD Isokaze
DD Uranami, Shell hits 3
DD Amagiri

Allied Ships
PT PT-66
PT PT-74, Shell hits 138, and is sunk
PT PT-159
PT PT-167

Makigumo's damage is light and she will be ready to serve Emperor soon. 400 casaulties is not satisfying, but we can hope it will slow Andy's efforts of turning PM in frontier fortess...

Naval bombardment of Port Moresby, at 53,91

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
BB Kirishima
CA Ashigara

Allied ground losses:
436 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

18 enemy PTs are lost at PM so far, three more left and hopefully our Jacks will have better luck than Zero.

As i expected, Andy withdrew few remaining planes from PM and my bombers had easy job.

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 26
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 11
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 42
Ki-21 Sally x 45
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 42

at 6000 feet

Strike from Siador. My plan for tomorrow is bombing PM with more bombers and we are hoping that bad weather (overcast) won't close our main AF in the morning phase.

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
Ki-21 Sally x 38
Ki-49 Helen x 28

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
209 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 44
at 6000 feet

Zero daitai attacked remaining PTs from Admirality island but it seems that 20mm guns can't deal with enemy boats.... phew!

Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PT PT-159, Shell hits 20
PT PT-66, Shell hits 8
PT PT-167, Shell hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x A6M3a Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M3a Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M3a Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M3a Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M3a Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M3a Zero attacking at 100 feet

Enemy AE ship located at Ndini (Elafiti) but my Naval LBA from lunga refuses to attack her although there is no CAP over Ndini.

INDIAN OCEAN

Naval LBA (from Singapore spoted enemy transport TF in ocean. I moved 2 naval LBA daitais and will try attack the enemy (altough i don't have a much hope for that - i have problems with attacking enemy ships at the long distance). Even if my bombers attack them at exended range few bombs could makes easier job for my subs....

CHINA

Enemy fleeing to Kunming and my victorious troops persuade them. However, i doubt we can attack them before we met at Kunming. Changsha heavily attacked from the air, Kunming also recives it's portion ....

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RE: fierce air battle overPM skies! - 8/20/2006 8:49:44 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/18/43

PNG

Andy regrouping his decimated airgroups at Townsville and Cairns. Our estimation is that we have two days before he returns for revenge.

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 18
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 20
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 68
Ki-49 Helen x 26
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
254 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 50

at 6000 feet

Two more PTs sunk - this time, Jacks didn't have mercy for the enemy. All in all 20 PTs are on the bottom near PM and only is still afloat.

Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT PT-167, Shell hits 24, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-159, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Was pretty safe that we would have clear skies over PM for couple of days so i took our chance and rested fighers at Lae while bombers droped their mortal cargo on the AF. But, please don't have illusions, PM can't be closed so easy....

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 37
Ki-49 Helen x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 50

at 6000 feet

CHINA

I do not want to give up from keeping Chungking and Chengtu just like that. So, regular visits continues and only fully operational Chinese base is Yunan which i can not attack because he placed Corsairs there.

But, we have a good news from the China theatre!

Ground combat at 40,34

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 185289 troops, 1651 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 3263

Defending force 53569 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 996

Japanese max assault: 6246 - adjusted assault: 2579

Allied max defense: 936 - adjusted defense: 151

Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
4651 casualties reported
Guns lost 51
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1780 casualties reported

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

If Andy doesn't reinforce Kunming, there is quite a big chance i will capture this Golden city! Anyway, nice to see IJA rolling again!

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...now it turns to China! - 8/21/2006 3:20:37 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/19/43

CHINA

A regular air strike on Kunming turns into another bloody encounter over the base. I was expecting something like this but it seems that enemy fighters once agains leaks from Yunan! Well, I can't complain with 2-1 ratio in my favor in the battle where Corsairs were involved too. I will post latter some interesting details about this battle.

Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 72
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 60
Ki-46-III Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 25
P-38G Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 18 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 14 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 53

at 6000 feet

Just reminding what happening in the China...

Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 93

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 61

PNG

As i predicted, no enemy fighers at PM today. We could have clear skies tomorrow too, and i will send another strike to PM plus one nasty suprise to Andy, i think...

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 35
G4M1 Betty x 28
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 65
Ki-49 Helen x 20
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 78
at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G3M Nell x 5
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 22

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 39

at 6000 feet

Good, only one Betty is lost this turn - more experience to my naval LBA for free.

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 102
Ki-46-III Dinah x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 56

at 6000 feet

KB arrives at Rabaul, but i'm unable to recive new planes (option get new plane is greyed). I have more than 40K of supply at Rabaul and don't have any clue what happening. Am I doing something wrong???

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RE: ...now it turns to China! - 8/21/2006 4:17:28 PM

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Here are some details from last A2A engagement, as i promised. The picture says it all - i compared 21st sentai before and after engagement ( the other air group was 244th sentai which lost 4 pilots and awarded with 12 kills).

21st sentai lost 7 pilots and scored 24 kills. Unfortunatly, all seven pilots were crack ones (80+).

EDIT: I just realised that Ginowa isn't KIA - he got 4 exp points (from 85 to 89) because he shot down 4 enemy aircraft, 2nd EDIT: WhoCares corrected me - he killed 3 enemy planes ... hey, didn't expect that someone would look at screen carefully!
They fought against AVG (still flying on P-40E) which was not even a decent opponent - only one Tony lost in this encounter and after heavy loses AVG breaks off!.

Lightings couldn't stand against my veteran groups (77 and 81 exp) too and Corsairs (WF 223) are different matter. I've lost 10 of my 11 Tonies due to Corsairs and shot down 4 Cortsairs in return.

Now the interesting part: "boxed" pilots with orange colour. As you may know, pilots can get 1-4 exp points per kill (this apply for 50-70 exp range, i think). Above 70, pilots can get few points per kill but sometimes they don't.

It seems that recruits can gain a lot of exp points in single engagement - note the Miyabe get 16 points per kill, while S.Sanda got 14 points just for surviving this though battle!

I believe that one of the reasons for such big jump in exp is enemy strength - doubt that my recruits would gain so much exp in the battle against 10 Chinese fighters...

It looks like we have a very realistic "experience gaining" system. Hats off!

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RE: ...now it turns to China! - 8/21/2006 4:27:52 PM

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2nd LT Ginowa O. is actually not KIA but became your most experienced (+4) pilot of the Sentai, scoring four kills in this mission.
Similarly the 2nd LT Anyoshi D. (+1, 2 kills) and WO Hiramoto G. (+1, 1 kill).

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RE: ...now it turns to China! - 8/21/2006 4:38:00 PM

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agrrhhh! Imperial statistical Institute is embarased... and director already commited ritual suicide...many thanks WhoCares (would it be too much if i ask you to correct me entirely and post killed pilots?)

i think i have correct data now (but can't garantee): killed pilots are:

WO Koga W. (88)
WO Mitsumori R. (87)
MAJ Kaguyama H. (84)
2LT Kimiyama E. (82)
2LT Notomi D. (76)
WO Renzo L. (65) one of three Renzo brothers in same Sentai. Sounds like original japanese surnames, right?

WO Iuni S. (61)

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RE: ...now it turns to China! - 8/21/2006 4:50:04 PM

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Who cares about the killed pilots?! more interesting is the performance of those�who remain.

Of these the biggest leap made 2nd LT Degawa I., +6 for 2 kills (other than the two rookies you particularly highlighted).
Also interesting to see that the higher ranks (MAJ, CPT, 1st LT) failed to hit anything.

And no promotions were awarded (probably better seeing the above

�)

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RE: ...now it turns to China! - 8/21/2006 11:56:12 PM

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I've also experienced the 'can't issue replacement pilots' problem after the latest patches.
Really annoying. I usually manage to isse replacements after shifting, disbanding, waiting and cursing a while.
Unfortunately I haven't located the cause - or the cure..yet!

Hm, these A2A engagements will cost you dearly within 6 months. Not sure that you got a choice though.
But what will happen when you suddenly meet 40-50 Corsairs over PM? That could mean the end for half the Jap
AF

I had some encouraging results by highly skilled naval bombers on night attacks. Will try to train them into their 90s.
Imagine how paranoid Andy will get when we start torpedoing his carriers at night

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