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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/17/2006 10:35:56 PM   
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I know the risk concerning Singapore Nemo, but I think Andy has to jump via Java/Northern Borneo.
This should give us a couple of months at least. Jumping straight to Singapore is suicide, even Andy won't do that.
It would be too surrealistic, just like sailing into the Adriatic to march on Berlin from Venice...

Yes, this late war game certainly highlightes the need for a demolition order Mog.
While oil fields can't be destroyed completely, it's easy to destroy the well heads and storage tanks. Would take
months to build new in the middle of a world war... Same with mines etc.

The Japs had years to prepare for demolition - unlike the Allies that were taken by surprise in early 42.

I suggest that Engineer units should be given an extra option: demolition of oil/resources/yards/factories etc.
They should be vastly more effective than any other units.


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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 12:25:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I wonder how difficult it would be to add a destroy order that works in reverse of repair/build order?


Now THAT would be fantastic, as well as adding a do not rebuild the airfield option.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 1:55:45 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/16/44

Air Combat

Tried to hit retreating enemy ships with a mix of level bombers
and kamis. Only Kamis got through... In the future I will continue to
mix them in much larger numbers. More experienced kamis will be converted as well.

I will NOT feel bad when Billy Bob finally wanders into a swarm of level bombers and
kamis. Had SO enough of seeing 99% of fighters and bombers at all altitudes being
shot down without releasing as much as a spud!

The reason I do carry on with some strikes is that I wish to exploit any openings in
the CAP or hit a vulnerable stray ship/TF.

Day Air attack on TF at 28,68

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
SB2C Helldiver x 10
P-47D Thunderbolt x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships - the crippled Uranami sinks...
DD Uranami, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 20
Ki-48 Lily x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships - the fuel convoy has now finally struggled into port.
TK Deroche, Torpedo hits 1, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
TK Victor H Kelly, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16
Ki-21 Sally x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
Boomerang II x 5
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-40N Warhawk x 68
P-38J Lightning x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 16 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Boomerang II: 1 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 4 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 46,76

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Antoine Saugrain
AK Benjamin Waterhouse
AK Thomas J. Walsh, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage - this bugger carried FUEL and troops!!

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,71

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 24

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 45
F6F Hellcat x 93
F4U-1D Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,71

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 39
B6N Jill x 12
B7A Grace x 10
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 45
F6F Hellcat x 87
F4U-1D Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 39 destroyed
B6N Jill: 12 destroyed
B7A Grace: 10 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 15 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 3 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

Allied Ships - non of the 22 Kami Zekes scores a hit. Green pilots...
CL Mobile
CL Australia
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 9
P1Y Frances x 12

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 9 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Australian Victory

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

After flying in supplies and some reinforcement troops Noemfoor again repulses
the enemy I can hear Andy swear all the way over here!

Ground combat at Noemfoor

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 31346 troops, 146 guns, 70 vehicles, Assault Value = 490

Defending force 22286 troops, 63 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 447

Allied max assault: 836 - adjusted assault: 251

Japanese max defense: 312 - adjusted defense: 538

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese ground losses:
300 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
976 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 7
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Food for the fanboys...

Mitsubishi J8M Shusui

We should be allowed to produce these from 09.45 - right




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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 2:08:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

AK Thomas J. Walsh, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage - this bugger carried FUEL and troops!!

Whoah! Is he trying to turn his soldiers into human torches?!

Anyway, either he's a bit careless when loading his convoys, or he's desperately in need of APs and TKs.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 5:11:53 AM   
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LOL japanese Komet .. given the germans utterly failed using them effictively dur to some severe design problems i doubt japan could do better .. that in mind though i bet they could happily ram a B29assuming the pilot kept his wits in the 12 minutes of flight time ( iirc)

or try one of these ?






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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 10:20:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

LOL japanese Komet .. given the germans utterly failed using them effictively dur to some severe design problems i doubt japan could do better .. that in mind though i bet they could happily ram a B29assuming the pilot kept his wits in the 12 minutes of flight time ( iirc)


Should be very effective as kami, with the kind of fuel it uses.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 2:28:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
or try one of these ?




What's that? Is it some kind of early Corsair prototype?


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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 2:58:06 PM   
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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/18/2006 11:41:36 PM   
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A J8M Shusui? cute, gotta produce them in numbers, though. btw, your wish has recently been granted http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1188577  ..dunno if it's any consolation to you as i doubt anyone is taking his chances with an obscure mod in a longwinded pbem game (or just use fragments of it)

/shameless self plug


on topic: i'd LOVE to see torp salvoes being able to hit multiple targets, imagine Oi, Kitakami, and a few DDs launching 100+ Long Lances at that 54 ship TF in a single salvo ! a dream come true.

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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/19/2006 2:14:52 AM   
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That's kewl Distiller
Playing Japan in 1945 is not an envious business, so I think Matrix should 'sweeten the pot'
a bit by adding more desperate last ditch ac. The US didn't need to rush experimental designs
into combat, desperation drove both the Germans and the Japs to do so.

We continue to hack away at the enemy's supply train: transports are hit daily
and without the British transports Andy may actually run low one day.

Now I'm going to uninstall the latest MS 'updates'
Can't say how much I regret installing them. WitP crashed 4 times today and even
my laptop at work is crashing. Geezus, should be illegal to distribute such BS!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/17/44

Air Combat

Tried a small 'surprise attack' on Rabaul harbour...unfortunately a CAP
was in place!

Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 61,88

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 18
P1Y Frances x 9

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F6F-5N Hellcat x 19
P-38J Lightning x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 11 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 7 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 45,74

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 5
P1Y Frances x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 2 damaged
P1Y Frances: 8 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Cetus, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
AK Oregonian
AK Sidney H. Short
AK Henry L. Gantt, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
159 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 4

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 11
P-40N Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DE Lamons

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 11
Ki-48 Lily x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
Ki-48 Lily: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
TK J.A. Moffett, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 53,74

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking: - should be almost impossible to hit a 35 knot cruiser with a 4E bomber
from 10k feet....

3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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More fuel ladden troop carrying cargo ships
Day Air attack on TF at 45,74

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 5
P1Y Frances x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Antoine Saugrain
AK Abigail S. Duniway, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Benjamin Waterhouse
AK John Sherman, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Sidney H. Short

Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
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RE: Enemy carriers intercepted by destroyers! - 8/19/2006 3:13:11 AM   
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quote:

Day Air attack on TF at 53,74

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking: - should be almost impossible to hit a 35 knot cruiser with a 4E bomber
from 10k feet....

3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet


Yahagi under fire by US planes - that one was close!



Ok, from 10 000 feet that's quite a little fast target - but hitting 5 B-24 and downing one out of 6 targets at this altitude was not a little feat either

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The U-Boat War in Indian Ocean - 8/19/2006 12:28:36 PM   
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Dive bombers are somewhat more accurate than 4Es
The Yahago was part of a flotilla that put up 5" AA fire I assume...

Today I present the compelling story about
The U-Boat War in the Indian Ocean!

Introduction

By mid January 1943 the Anglo-American naval blockade of Germany had reduced, step by step, the stocks of those strategical materials the German were already short of (namely rubber, tungsten, molibden, copper, vegetal substances, quinine and some kinds of oils) and which were absolutely necessary to carry on the war. All these goods, uncommon in Europe and whose production was rather difficult, were on the contrary largely available in the Asiatic regions conquered by the Japanese during the war. The Indonesian Archipelago, the large and rich former Dutch colony, invaded by the Japanese in the spring of 1942 after a rapid aeronaval offensive, could supply Germany and the Asis countries with the strategical materials they needed on condition that they were able to build ships fit for a voyage out and home on a very long and dangerous course.

The first naval missions


Since the beginning of the war several German vessels had managed to break the British naval blockade. Seventeen voyages had been made from 1940 to 1943 in order to connect the Japanese ports to the French basis of Brest and Bordeaux occupied by the Germans who had therefore been able to supply themselves with 104,600 tons of various goods and rare materials, The above figure, though not modest if related to the number of ship employed and to the difficulties met during the course, accounts only for 46% of the goods which had been forwarded from Japan. Twenty out of the thirtyseven German vessels employed to break the blockade had been intercepted, captured or sunk by the British fleet. The remaining 17 ships had managed to transport to Europe less than half of the 87,450 tons of rare rubber, 98,500 tons of copra and edible oils, 15,950 tons of non-ferrous metals and 24,475 tons of various goods (textiles, foodstuff, tea, coffee and pharmaceutical products such as opium and quinine) shipped from the Far East. n order to get an amount of precious goods a little over 100,000 tons, Germany had lost more than 50% of her ships and crews: a price which was estimated too high by Admiral Reader, commander in chief of the German fleet in those days. reasuring that experience, Reader thought it was necessary to workout a new and safer transport technique, which could reduce losses. However, several months were needed before a new plan was conceived by the Kriegsmarine so deeply concerned with a very hard military situation which kept it engaged on several fronts.

The employment of U-Boats

The problem of linking Europe with the Far East solved early in 1943 by Admiral Doenitz, the commander in chief of the German Submarine fleet. Doenitz suggested that U-boats having a long operating range should be employed, after being made suitable for transporting goods, to replace surface crafts which had proved unfit for such a mission. His U-boats, having a higher tonnage, had obtained good results in the Indian Ocean since 1942 by sinking several British ships. Thus the Admiral felt he could grant, though recommending a good deal of caution, a regular linking service between the French basis and the ones held by the Japanese in Batavia and Penang (Indonesia). According to Doenitz the inferior capacity of cargo submarines would have been balanced by a reduction of risk. Morover a new fact had occurred in Germany by the end of January. Hitler had got a report from the Ministry of Industry which assured the discovery of new techniques enabling the production of a certain amount of synthetic rubber sufficient to meet, though at a very high cost, the national requirements. Since they were no more compelled to carry large quantities of rubber (the bulkiest and most required raw material till then) Doenitz's cargo U-boats were suitable for stowing a great deal of rare products (150 to 200 tons).

In 1943 the German war industry had divoured almost all the stocks of materials and strategical goods so that the shortage of tungsten, molibden (metals used to produce special steel) pewter, copper, vegetal fibres and quinine had become permanent. As a consequence there was the urgent need to employ the U-boats in order to face, at least in part, the supplying of the raw materials which were not available in occupied Europe. To solve the situation in a satisfactory way, on February 20th 1943, admiral Doenitz brought Hitler's attention on a plan for building 200 submarines mod. XX which had been specially conceived for carrying goods. These new vessels were totally unarmed but could contain in their holds an 800 ton cargo and had been built to have a fuel-distance of 13,000 miles at a speed of 11 knots. Hitler, at first, approved the plan and gave the order to build 199 submarines (from U-1601 to U-1800) but, as the war situation got worse and the consistence of Atlantic submarine fleet was reduced by increasing losses, the Führer put off the plan supporting the production of a modern fighting model (U-XXI). At the same time, Hitler asked admiral Doenitz to find a cheaper solution to the Far East transport problem. Unwilling to remove from the operation theatre some good fighting vessels, admiral Doenitz turned to Italy and proposed an agreement to Mussolini himself in order to exchange a number of submarines. Seven Italian ocean-going U-boats whose base was at Betasom (Bordeaux) were, according to Doenitz, too large and unfit for modern fighting techniques but they could still be converted into cargo ships. Mussolini aceepted the proposal and within few months seven Italian vessels were sent to the yards for a total refitting.

In the second half of May 1943, as soon as the hulls had been thoroughly refitted, the first Italian cargo submarine sailed from Bordeaux soon followed by some more (*), all awaited by a tragic doom. Two of them, in fact, (the Tazzoli and the Barbarigo) disappeared in the sea, soon after leaving, probably sunk by allied aeronaval forces, while the Giuliani and the Torelli, caught by the armistice of September 8th, when they were still in Malayan port of call, were seized by German naval forces operating in that base.

The apparent misfortune of the Italian submarines gave, however, a good opportunity to the Japanese who could recover from the captured ships 355 tons of strategical materials shipped from Germany, that is 55% of the total cargo. On the contrary the 377 tons of rubber and the 184 tons of pewter which had already been stowed in the holds of the three Italian ships never got to Germany because the Germans didn't feel like using such worn out means of transport.

Towards spring 1943 the German navy could begin to rely on a good deal of new ocean-going submarines. They had a large fuel-range and were fit for linking Europe to the Far East without calling at ports. The vessels belonged to the IXD2 whose first models, deriving from the IXC series, had been put into service since the autumn 1942. Thus Doenitz decided to utilize a certain number of them. After their hulls had been modified in order to carry, in case of need, 315 tons of materials, the first submarines were ready for the long voyage in the spring 1943. In July of the same year the U-501 reached Penang where, in the meantime, Fregatten Kapitän Wilhelm Dommes (former commander of the U-178) had been appointed by Doenitz to the direction of the first south base for German submarines operating in the Indian Ocean. Dommes, who was a very good officer, made more efficient the activity of this faraway Kriegsmarine outpost trying to keep good relations with the harsh Japanese allied who always showed little sense of camradeship giving negligible help to the German officers work. Dommes had few means but he had a risky venture in mind. In fact he wanted to employ the U-boats coming from France not only to transport goods but also to practice privateering, on their return voyage, against the numerous and undisturbed Anglo-American convoys which need to cross the Indian Ocean.

If he had managed to give a hard and unexpected blow to the allied traffic, the Anglo-Americans would have been forced to move to that sector lots of aeronaval crafts that had, till then, harassed the U-boats operating in the Atlantic. Admiral Doenitz as soon as he was informed about the plan, agreed to it and decided, in the meanwhile, to send to Penang 15 crafts of different models. The U-177, 196, 198, 852, 859, 860, 861, 863, 871 followed by IX D2 510, by IXC 537, 843 and by VII F 059, and 1062 sailed from Bordeaux and from Brest between January and June 1943. As a result of the increased air and naval control operated by the Anglo-Americans and South Africans 8 vessels were lost during the crossing to the East. However the 7 submarines succeeded in reaching Malaysia were able to unload a fairly good quantity of materials urgently required by Tokyo i.e. precious metals, industrial equipments, precision machinery, aircraft engines (even jet engines) and project of new military crafts, submarines included. The German ships were immediately provided with fuel, water, goodstuff and stowed with the usual products the German industry greatly needed. In these difficult conditions, with a limited number of vessels, short of torpedoes and relying only on the insufficient Japanese protection, Dommes flotilla began, in echelon, the return voyage in the hope of sinking some isolated enemy ships. Unfortunately things went in a different way and all the skill of German commanders was necessary to do the crossing towards the French Atlantic coast. In that period, in fact, the patrolling of the American aeronaval forces equipped with sophisticated sonar and radar plants had greatly increased even in the Indian Ocean. The first submarines wich got to Bordeaux by mid June 1944 were the U-178 (Dommes ship handed over in Penang to Kapitänleutnant Spahr) and Korvetten Kapitän Ludden's U-118. Reassured by the success he had obtained Dommes sent five more cargo U-boats VI to Europe. One of the first crafts, soon after sailing from Penang, had to rush back to the port because of a serious average while the other four were to face a beautiful voyage. During the summer 1944 the Allies, after landing in Normandy in June, had occupied the base of Bordeaux and almost all the French Atlantic coast depriving Germany of her safest naval bases on the Atlantic. The commanders of the German crafts, as they arrived in the Gulf of Biscay after an eventful crossing, had no choice left but had nortwards, circumnavigate Great Britain and try to reach the distant Norwegian port of Bergen and then make for Hamburg: all that under the constant fire of the Allied planes and ships. Only one out of the five ships which took part in the enterprise reached the Scandinavian port early in April 1945, while the others were sunk or seized. However also the only surviving ship was going to meet her doom before getting back to Germany. In fact after leaving Bergen on April 5th she was intercepted on 9th by English planes in the Kattegat Strait and sunk with all her precious freight.


Though the military situation was worsening in the autumn 1944, two more submarines sailed from Saint-Nazaire (still in German hands) directed to Penang. The two crafts, the U-195 (mod IX D1) and the U-219 (mod U-XB did a terrible six months crossing arriving at the Indonesian base in January 1945. Soon after their arrival the Japanese military authorities invited the commaner in chief of the German base Dommes to have his ships moved to Djakarta (Java), together with the other six which were already at anchor, as Penang had become too unsafe because of the more and more frequent raids of the allied planes. From the base of Djakarta some submarines of Dommes'flotilla operated even in the Australian vicinities. Particularly, the Korvetten Kapitän Timm's U-862 left the base on November 17th 1944 and - sailing along the coast - reached the east coast of Australia, where it sunk on December 25th the cargo ship Robert J. Walker, 100 miles north of Gabo Island. Instead of coming back following the same route, Timm preferred to continue southbound through the Tasman Sea and circumnavigated the whole Australian continent, arriving in the Indian Ocean. While doing his long way back to Djakarta, he got the chance to sink the motor vessel Peter Silvester. The U-862 was the only German craft to violate the Pacific Ocean.

The epilogue

The tragical end was approaching. Dommes knew that he had to accept the advice which sounded like an order so he secretely summoned his officers to organize the return to Germany for all the remaining crews. The officer had already understood that the war was definitely lost for the Reich and didn't want his men to be taken to a prison-of-war camp either allied or Japanese. In fact Tokyo had broadcast in the previous days the news that, even in the case of Germany's surrender, Japan would go on fighting against the Allies till their total destruction. Thus a very short time was left. After he had overhauled the hull and the engines and shipped the nth and maybe useless rubber and pewter cargo, Kapitänleutnant Eick sailed his U-510 from Penang on January 6th 1945 and thanks to his skill reached Saint-Nazaire by the end of April with his tanks almost empty. The German submarine however couldn't manage to refuel for the last leap to Bergen.

The commander of the German garrison asked and obtained that Eick's men took part in the defense of Saint-Nazaire. The stronghold attacked by numerous American columns surrended on May 11th and, owing to a mocking destiny, lots of sailors - survived to a thousand dangers - fell on the field of this desperate battle. Just in those days Kapitänleutnant Oesten's U-861 which had also left penang by the end of January berthed at the wharves in the Norwegian port of Trondheim when, on March 8th, she was cut off when Germany surrended.

A similar fate was to strike Korvetten Kapitän Junker's U-532 which had also sailed from penang soon after the U-861. Caught by the end of the hostilities while he was off the Irish coast, Junker comitted himself to the Allies in a port of the island. At several thousand miles' distance the tragedy of the last German submarine belonging to kapitan Wilhelm Dommes' legendary South Flotilla was going to end. We are on the eve of Hitler surrendering. In the isolated and half destroyed base of Djakarta, bombed over and over agin by the Allies, Dommes and a handful of officers and sailors who had taken shelter there with Kapitänleutnant Schneewind's (oddly he was born in Djakarta in 1917) U-183 started a desperate enterprise. He embarked on the submarine as many men as he cold find among the ground staff coming from the former base of Penang then, after refuelling eith the scanty stocks allowed by the Japanese, Schneewind went out to sea at dusk on April 21st. Dommes, without the knowledge of the Japanese, had not loaded a single gram of material in order to leave more room to his sailors and at the end he decides to remain on the island with a few men. Only twenty-four hours after leaving, ad dawn, on the 23rd the U-183 ( stil sailing on the surface ) is torpedoed and split into two parts by the American submarine Besugo that lays in ambush at the mouth of the Sunda Strait.
Thus the last German U-boat operating in the Indian Ocean is sinking, in a few minutes, dragging its whole crew to the depths of the sea.

Note

(*) The Italian submarines having their base in Betasom that underwent conversion works wer seven: the Cappellini (1,060-1,317 of normal displacing); the Tazzoli and the Finzi (1,550-2,000 tons); the Giuliani and the Bagnolini (1,166-1,510 tons); the Barbarigo (1,063-1,317 tons); the Torelli (1,195-1,490 tons). The Tazzoli and the Barbarigo were sunk while the Cappellini after docking at Penang on Septemper 10th 1943 was seized by the Germans and renamed U-IT24. After May 8th 1945 this naval craft was caught by Japanese and took the name of I-503. Also the Giuliani, arrived in Singapore late in summer 1943 was captured by the Germans and renamed U-IT23.

This craft manned by a crew of Germans and Italians was sunk in the Malacca Canal by the British submarine Tally Ho. The Italian submarine Finzi that in September 1943 was still in Bordeaux, where the refitting works were in project, was mergedinto the German navy and renamed U-IT21. The craft was never used as a freight ship and was sunk by the German themselves on August 25th 1944, just before the Allies' arrival. From 1942 to 1943 the Tosi shipyards in Taranto designed and built two large submarines (the Romolo and the Remo) that had been planned for the links with the Far East. These two submarines (2,210-2,606 tons of normal displacing) were able to carry 610 tons of food and had a fuel-range of 12,000 kilometers. The Romolo and the Remo (the only crafts built out of a lot of twelve) were lost on their first sortie, hit respectively by air and submarine allied forces in the Mediterranean Sea.

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RE: The U-Boat War in Indian Ocean - 8/19/2006 4:30:53 PM   
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No turn, so I have been looking at the map.
Here is a situation map from PNG/Palau area.

This is the exposed area were most enemy convoys have to pass by to get to Andy's newly
occupied bases. Makes the Malta convoys look like a walk in the park...

Still, enemy long range search planes and bombers make it very difficult for out surface raiders to
operate in the area. Also imagine what would happen if an enemy CV group suddenly dropped by
The situation is still favorable and Bettys/Frances bombers are rotated from the PI to the Palaus/PNG.

I'm planning more raids by light carriers on enemy convoys in the slot between the Marshalls and Solomons.






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RE: The U-Boat War in Indian Ocean - 8/19/2006 4:45:01 PM   
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This second situation map illustrates how isolated Balikpapan and Sulawesi are.
A further move by Andy's part towards Northern Borneo would have grave consequences - for himself - if
he doesn't occupy more bases in the area and close our most important naval bomber bases.

Is it possible that Andy will eventually overextend himself to death?
Not sure he's patient enough to do 'the right thing' since he's in such a hurry to win the war by end 45




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RE: The U-Boat War in Indian Ocean - 8/19/2006 4:54:58 PM   
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RE: The U-Boat War in Indian Ocean - 8/19/2006 5:03:11 PM   
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The last sit map:

Java - Sumatra - Borneo

I feel more confident after studying the maps: We have so many strongpoints
in the area that an enemy presence will be extremely hazardous.




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RE: The U-Boat War in Indian Ocean - 8/19/2006 6:08:41 PM   
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Not much to report today... Continuing to shuffle troops around the map.
Most coastal cities in China are now being reinforced.

All our 4 remaining fleet carriers are now in Japan undergoing repairs.
Sys damage from 21-45. Even with 100 repair points and only 1 cv in port
repairs are extremely unpredictable.

I'm planning to use quite a few experienced Kamikaze units from late 44, 45.
This is necessary in order to hit anything. Some 250 75 exp Zekes should be able
to scratch a few enemy ships.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/18/44

AirCombat

Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 8
P1Y Frances x 9

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 11
P-40N Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
P1Y Frances: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 2 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Acubens
DE Hilbert

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 10

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 11
P-40N Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
DE Lamons
DE Hilbert

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 2
P1Y Frances x 11

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged
P1Y Frances: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Benjamin Carpenter
DE Lamons
AK Australian Victory

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/19/2006 6:17:34 PM   
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An interesting article here:
Suicide Tactics: The Kamikaze During WWII

Will paste the text in below. Some 7500 kamis caused a lot of damage on the Allies during the war.

"Although there may be some question about the exact numbers, the damage done by Kamikazes is almost unbelievable. And the losses would have doubled or tripled if the invasion of the Japanese mainland had been required for surrender. All indications are that suicide tactics would have been an important part of the final Japanese defense."

From what I understand large numbers of Kamikazes were able to dive on enemy ships, including carriers.
Next time Andy approaches an important target I'm going to do my best to replicate this. No way I'm going to accept the
invinsible Uber CAP for the rest of the war!



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Suicide Tactics: The Kamikaze During WWII
By Gerald W. Thomas, VT-4

On December 7th of each year the United States celebrates Pearl Harbor Day. This recognition of "a day that will live in infamy" usually results in a number of excellent documentaries and articles about Pearl Harbor and WWII. Many people point out similarities between the shock of December 7, 1941 and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

There are indeed some similarities between these important dates in our history: both events were complete surprises; both events cost many lives; and both events united Americans against an enemy. In WWII, the enemy was easy to define and locate. Not so after 9/11/01. The enemy is now difficult to locate and even more difficult to identify.

There is another similarity with these two wars—fanaticism and suicide tactics. While Japan apparently did not use suicide tactics at Pearl Harbor, we know of their use of the Kamikaze later in the war. One historian stated that by the end of WWII:

7,465 Kamikazes flew to their deaths
120 US ships were sunk, with many more damaged
3,048 allied sailors were killed and anther 6,025 wounded
Although there may be some question about the exact numbers, the damage done by Kamikazes is almost unbelievable. And the losses would have doubled or tripled if the invasion of the Japanese mainland had been required for surrender. All indications are that suicide tactics would have been an important part of the final Japanese defense.

I had three rather personal experiences with suicide bombers in the Pacific. I know something of the fear and panic that is generated when Kamikazes approached our Navy Task Force. I saw our ships' gunners so jittery by the presence of Kamikazes that they fired on our own planes returning from strikes on Japanese targets.

On November 20, 1944, while the Task Force was anchored in Ulithi Lagoon, at least two Japanese mini-subs slipped through the submarine nets and entered the harbor. One of these subs, a Kaiten manned suicide torpedo with a 3418-pound warhead struck the USS Mississinewa, an oil tanker. The ship exploded in flames and soon sank with a loss of 63 sailors and the Japanese pilot.



USS Mississinewa burning after being hit by a Kaiten Kamikaze torpedo in Ulithi Harbor, November 20, 1944.




Destroyers dropping depth charges in search for Kaiten Kamikaze torpedoes in Ulithi Harbor, November 20, 1944.




Kaiten suicide torpedo recovered in Ulithi Harbor following Kamikaze attack on November 20, 1944




We know now that the Japanese attempted to launch 8 Kaitens in this attack. Two failed to launch, one leaked so badly it couldn´t be used, two were sunk, one exploded without hitting anything, and one just disappeared. The remaining Kaiten struck the Mississinewa. It was reported falsely to the Emperor that this attack sank 3 carriers and 2 battleships.

My closest call from a Kamikaze occurred on November 25, 1944 while aboard the USS Essex. This was a particularly rough day for our Task Force -- we fought off swarms of Kamikazes and had 4 aircraft carriers hit in a one-hour period:

The USS Hancock was attacked just as the crew had gone to lunch. An enemy aircraft roared toward the carrier in a suicide dive out of the sun. Antiaircraft fire exploded the plane some 300 feet above the ship, but a section of the fuselage landed amidships and a part of the wing hit the flight deck and burst into flames. The Kamikaze pilot`s name was Isamu Kamitake, flying from the Philippines. Kamitake either did not have a bomb, or he failed to arm it. Otherwise, when his plane exploded there might have been many casualties aboard the Hancock. Kamitake`s body was dumped into the ocean with the rest of his plane after it was checked for intelligence.

The USS Cabot, near the Hancock, had fought off a particularly viscous attack when one of the Kamikazes, already flaming from AA hits, crashed into the flight deck on the port side. Then a second Kamikaze, also damaged, crashed close aboard and showered the deck with shrapnel and burning debris. Cabot suffered 62 men killed and wounded.

The USS Intrepid experienced swarms of suicide planes. At 1255, a Zero went into a power stall when about 1000 yards astern, did a wingover from an approximate altitude of 500 feet and rocketed into Intrepid`s deck. The bomb it carried penetrated to the pilot´s Ready Room, which fortunately was empty, but 32 men were killed in an adjoining compartment. The ship´s crew were still fighting fires when two more Zeros attacked. One was splashed at 1500 yards, but the second got through a blizzard of tracers, power stalled, and went into a wingover to crash on the flight deck 4 minutes after the first Kamikaze hit. Six officers and 59 enlisted men were killed or listed as missing as a result of this dual attack.

The Essex was hit at 1256 hours. As a pilot in Torpedo Squadron Four, I had just returned from a strike on a Japanese Convoy near Santa Cruz in the Philippines. We were launching planes for a second strike on shipping in the Philippines. The flight deck was jammed with planes loaded with bombs and torpedoes.

I had changed from my flight gear in the Ready Room and moved to the Wardroom for lunch. As I was eating my desert, I could hear the increased intensity of our AA guns as they were firing at the Japanese planes. Suddenly, there was a huge explosion, the paint jumped off the wall, and the room soon filled with smoke. Sixteen men and the Kamikaze pilot lost their lives in the attack. Half of the Essex seamen killed and buried at sea were Black and half were White. But we were lucky. The suicide plane missed the loaded planes in the center of the flight deck and slid along the gun mounts and into the hanger deck on the port side of the Essex.
From post-war research using photos of the Japanese plane, a Yokosuka D4Y3 dive bomber, we have learned the name of the Kamikaze pilot. He was Yoshinori Yamaguchi from the Yoshino Special Attack Corps stationed at Malabacat Field in the Philippines.



The Yokosuka D4Y3 dive bomber piloted by Yoshinori Yamaguchi strikes the USS Essex, November 25, 1944.




Yoshinori Yamaguchi's plane explodes in a ball of fire.




Closeup of Yoshinori Yamaguchi's plane diving toward the Essex. Note the tail number 17.




Damage to Essex gun mounts caused by the Kamikaze attack.




Damage to Essex flight deck.




Burial at sea after the Kamikaze attack. Sixteen men lost their lives as a result of this action.




Post war research also turned up another interesting fact about the Kamikazes in this attack. By email from Brazil, I learned that one of the Kamikaze pilots involved on November 25th survived to tell his story. He is now a Karate master in Brazil and goes by the name of Tokyo Mao. Mr. Mao says he started his run toward the Intrepid, but changed his mind and flew toward the Essex at low altitude. He was shot down about 1000 meters from his target ship. Mr. Mao survived the crash, spent several days in the sea, and was rescued by a Japanese freighter. We are attempting to get a more complete accounting of his experiences as one of the few Kamikazes that survived.

My next experience with suicide planes was on the night of March 4, 1945. Our Air Group was in Ulithi Lagoon being loaded on the USS Long Island for return to the States. Since Ulithi was a long way from the nearest active Japanese base, all ships were well-lighted. I was on the flight deck of the Long Island visiting with G. D. "Mak" Makibbin, a fellow torpedo pilot. We were talking about the trip home when we heard two planes overhead. These planes had a different sound—a noise that we did not recognize. We speculated out loud about this new type of plane when one came very close and actually flew into the flight deck of the USS Randolph anchored next to us. There were at least two explosions and a fire. Mak and I ran around the flight deck trying to kick the lights out on the flight deck of the Long Island—anything to prevent a further attack by what was obviously a Kamikaze.

A few minutes after the first plane dived into the Randolph, a second plane dived into the ground on a nearby island—probably mistaking the lights for an aircraft carrier. We learned later that the second plane did not do much damage, but made a sizable hole in the ground.

The Randolph was burning, more explosions followed, sirens sounded, and all ships in the Lagoon were ordered to General Quarters. The Kamikaze had taken the lives of 25 men and severely wounded 106. An examination of the wreckage showed the pilot to have been shackled to the cockpit.



A kamikaze hit the USS Randolph on March 12, 1945. This photo shows the resulting hole in her flight deck.




Again, post-war research provides more information on this last Kamikaze attack. Initially, 24 Ginga twin-engine bombers took off from Minami Daito Shima headed for the US Task Force at Ulithi—a distance of some 800 miles. Due to fuel shortage, navigation errors, and other problems, only two of the original 24 reached their target. The other planes were lost at sea.

As we were returning to the States in May 1945, we were ordered not to mention the word "Kamikaze" or to mention damage caused by these suicide tactics. The Navy did not want US citizens to know the extent of damage, nor did the Navy want the Japanese to know how effective these tactics were. We have similar challenges today.

An interesting aspect of the Kamikaze story, particularly as it relates to "motivation to commit suicide" is in the following post-war report by Higher Flight Officer Motoji Ichikawa:

"Suddenly the voice of the Officer of the Day broke through the perpetual static of the barracks public address system. ‘All pilots line up in front of headquarters.'

As soon as they were in formation, the Wing Commander without preamble shouted, ‘All those men who are only children raise your hands.' Puzzled, these men were ordered to return to the barracks. ‘First sons also break ranks and return to your quarters.'

The Wing Commander ordered the remaining men to form a circle in front of him. He stated that the war news was very bad. ‘We must, therefore, somehow mount an offense that will bring excruciating pain to the enemy. To achieve this, we have developed a new and special instrument of certain death. But, in order for this kind of special attack to succeed, the weapon has been designed as a one-way trip.'

The Wing Commander then told the pilots they had to choose to take a one-way flight by writing ‘Yes' or ‘No' on their ID card and dropping them in a special box."

Ichikawa was tempted to write ‘No,' but he knew he could not. He knew he would be condemned as unmilitary, as unmanly, if he were to refuse. So he wrote the ‘Yes' on his ID card.

Through a combination of circumstances, Ichikawa survived to tell his story. A logical conclusion to this article is to pose the question, "What can we learn from the Kamikaze experiences of WWII that will help us face the potential for more suicide attacks as a terrorist strategy?"



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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/19/2006 9:19:18 PM   
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Two things strike me:

1.
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but the second got through a blizzard of tracers, power stalled, and went into a wingover to crash on the flight deck 4 minutes after the first Kamikaze hit.


The two reports in which this tactic was used resulted in succesful attacks and seem, to my mind at least, to indicate that the pilots involved were pretty experienced.


2. I've never before heard of a pilot being manacled into the cockpit for a kamikaze mission. Is there any other reliable contemporaneous evidence for this or is it a bit of propaganda?

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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/19/2006 10:10:18 PM   
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Yes, I think experienced pilots had a much higher success rate than green ones.
Me thinks quite a few trained, if not skilled, kami pilots were used in 1944, early 45.
If the US had invaded the Home Islands a lot more untrained - and less efficient - kami pilots would have had to be used.

My own 'testing' reveals that untrained kami pilots ain't worth much in WitP. So I order all depleted kami units to train before
being sent back into the fight. Same with new groups that have yet to be assigned to kamikaze missions.

Regarding the recruiting process: Some pilots were 'voluenteers' while others were voluenteers....
While they weren't sent to their deaths at gun point, they still faced humiliation if they refused. This was very serious, how
could they go on living after having shamed themsleves and their families!?


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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/20/2006 12:45:51 AM   
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I have reduced the number of troops in the Marianas/Palaus by 1/3.
If Andy comes back, most unlikely since he doesn't have enough Hellcats and pilots,
we'll have to reinforce locally. A total of 5 division worth of troops have thus been
released for Okinawa/Formosa/Taan/Singapore. Think this is a good investment.

Another Bde and Engineer Regiment have been pulled out of Timor right in front of Andys
carriers Together with troops from India and fresh reinforcements we should have enough
to reduce Andy's advance to a mere crawl...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/19/44

Sub/ASW Attacks

A convoy carrying 1/2 Bde released from China to Brunei is attacked
by the Queenfish.

Sub attack at 34,52

Japanese Ships
AP Keisho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PC Nichi Maru #1
PG Takunan Maru #8
PG Takunan Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS Queenfish

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Air Combat

The hope was for these night air attacks to trigger night naval attacks by Emilys...

Night Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
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Another super heavy B-29 attack against ground troops. Andy wants Samarinda this time!

Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
Spitfire VIII x 6
B-29 Superfortress x 163

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 108
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 19
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Numerous air attacks against Noemfoor...and only a small strike against enemy supply convoys
from Palau!

Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 4

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 10
P-40N Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
DE Hilbert

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

The first shock attack fails but lowers fort level.
I want to inflict as much wear and tear on the enemy division in malaria land.
So we'll try to fly in some reinforcements.

Ground combat at Samarinda

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 50728 troops, 550 guns, 286 vehicles, Assault Value = 1123

Defending force 19837 troops, 144 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 448

Allied max assault: 1880 - adjusted assault: 478

Japanese max defense: 369 - adjusted defense: 411

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 7)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 6

Japanese ground losses:
900 casualties reported
Guns lost 26

Allied ground losses:
1113 casualties reported
Guns lost 34
Vehicles lost 10
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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/20/2006 8:48:18 PM   
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An enemy carrier TF appeared NNE of Noemfoor today, fortunately we spotted
it yesterday and our surface ships withdrew in time.

The last units I planned to withdraw from the Marianas are shipping out.
It has been possible to use the lull in the fighting after the Balikpapan to
re-group our assets without interference from the enemy.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/20/44

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Samarinda, at 31,63

Allied Ships
DD Mahan
DD Fanning
DD Craven
DD Roe
DD Morris
DD Sampson
DD Hobby
DD Gillespie
DD Bailey
DD Buchanan
DD Nicholson
DD Cassin Young

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Air Combat

Samarinda and Noemfoor were hit hard from both the air and ground today!

Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-29 Superfortress x 91

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 79
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
Kittyhawk I x 6
Kittyhawk III x 7
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 18
Beaufort V-IX x 15
F-5C Lightning x 7
A-20G Havoc x 12
B-25J Mitchell x 27
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 124

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 10
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2
B-25J Mitchell x 32

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 37
P-40N Warhawk x 24
B-25J Mitchell x 87
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 122

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 97
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
Kittyhawk I x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5
P-40N Warhawk x 15
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 35th/A Brigade, at 31,63

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on South Seas Det. , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
F6F Hellcat x 5
F4U-1 Corsair x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 28
TBM Avenger x 18
P-47D Thunderbolt x 36

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on South Seas Det. , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 27

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on 8th Ind. Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Kittyhawk I x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 32
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Noemfoor at 45,76

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 8
P-40N Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DE Hilbert
DE Lamons

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Samarinda will fall in a day or two!

Ground combat at Samarinda

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 53113 troops, 496 guns, 464 vehicles, Assault Value = 1123

Defending force 18439 troops, 93 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 405

Allied max assault: 1626 - adjusted assault: 771

Japanese max defense: 281 - adjusted defense: 213

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Japanese ground losses:
742 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Allied ground losses:
571 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 3
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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/20/2006 11:42:53 PM   
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I'm rotating troops from Java to Singapore. Morale was veeery low after a couple of
years in the malaria zone. All worn out troops will rest and recuperate in Singapore while
fresh troops are sent to replace them.

Sending some troops from China to Indo China. Got some bases without troops here.
I won't march them into Burma, but Indo China is kinda China - right!

A few annoyances: There are 3 islands that belong to the Home Islands, and I'm not
allowed to move troops here since I can't load Home Defense troops aboard ships
This is a problem....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/21/44

This strange message indicates that 2 damaged ships sunk this turn.
In all 3 of the AKs carrying fuel and trops (Sea Bees) have now sunk.

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TF 1069 encounters mine field at Balikpapan (31,64)

Allied Ships
TK Deroche, and is sunk
AK Abigail S. Duniway, and is sunk
DE Whitman

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-29 Superfortress x 112

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 155
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Kittyhawk I x 6
Kittyhawk III x 4
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 18
Beaufort V-IX x 14
F-5C Lightning x 7
A-20G Havoc x 15
B-25J Mitchell x 29
PB4Y Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 115

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 304
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2
B-25J Mitchell x 30

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20
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Day Air attack on Kyuko Naval Guard Unit, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
Kittyhawk I x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 33
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Day Air attack on 8th Ind. Brigade, at 45,76

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
Kittyhawk I x 3
Kittyhawk III x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 15
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses
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The range of these Bettys were not cut short enough...

Day Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
FM-2 Wildcat x 30
F6F Hellcat x 11
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
P-38J Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 9 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 15 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 damaged
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Ground Combat

We manage to stave of another shock attack!
This is hurting the enemy troops, they will not recover quickly in the malaria
bases on Borneo.

Ground combat at Samarinda

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 52441 troops, 455 guns, 465 vehicles, Assault Value = 1068

Defending force 17526 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 380

Allied max assault: 1594 - adjusted assault: 1230

Japanese max defense: 289 - adjusted defense: 275

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Japanese ground losses:
1342 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Allied ground losses:
552 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 2
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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/21/2006 8:53:24 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/22/44

Air Combat

I've been experimenting with night naval attacks, and it looks like I'm on to
something!

Night Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 31

Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5N Hellcat: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16

Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5N Hellcat: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Ammen
LCI(G) LCI(G)-76, heavy damage
AO Manatee
AK Beaverhead

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Samarinda

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 52140 troops, 426 guns, 472 vehicles, Assault Value = 1030

Defending force 15882 troops, 50 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 333

Allied max assault: 783 - adjusted assault: 572

Japanese max defense: 246 - adjusted defense: 125

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Samarinda base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
1048 casualties reported
Guns lost 13

Allied ground losses:
401 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/21/2006 11:40:29 PM   
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Quiet days: and we're using them well. The Okinawa chain is now a veritable fortress,
so is Formosa and the remaining bases in Borneo. Singakwang got a full division, it must
be missing a small part cause I couldn't divide it. Luzon is also one big fort and Malaya
is slowly following suit with reinforcements arriving almost daily.

It won't be easy for Andy...any short cuts will become costly me thinks.

Repair of carriers is slow...21, 38, 43, 44. Will be 2 months before the KB will sail again.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/23/44

Sub/ASW Attacks

The Queenfish is operating in the dead centre of the China Sea.

Sub attack at 34,52

Japanese Ships
AK Teisen Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Queenfish
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Air Combat

A couple of rare Jap attacks on enemy ground troops:

Day Air attack on 1st USMC Arm Amphib Battalion, at 32,62

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st USMC Arm Amphib Battalion, at 32,62

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 5000 feet
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Ground Combat

Despite my bombing Andy's pursuit shock attack succeeded. He's still
tailing, but it won't do him much good. Tarakan is a major fort and I will
continue to bomb his armor and render them impotent in a few weeks
Ground combat at 32,62

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7645 troops, 0 guns, 396 vehicles, Assault Value = 231

Defending force 10379 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 209

Allied max assault: 380 - adjusted assault: 116

Japanese max defense: 140 - adjusted defense: 41

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 11

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/22/2006 12:13:30 AM   
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PZB have you found any other way to trigger night naval attacks aside from spotting with subs?

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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/22/2006 12:15:36 AM   
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Well PZB -the squealing has begun.

"bull night attacks"
"bull high level kami attacks"

I say keep em up
Night navl attacks were heavily employed by japan -and by the time of Leyte were standard practice -that and the dusk attack.
Keep em up

he is complaining that the kamis get through.
Keep it up -if the stupid game mechanics wont let a historical amount of planes through, and you find a way to mimic just a percentage of what really got through -go for it.
I am already stocking high experienced bombers and fighters for my Kamis.

Allied losses in late 44, 45 were terrible, lets see the game reflect that!
keep up the battle.

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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/22/2006 12:27:23 AM   
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Attacks by night figthers and sub ops increasing spotting levels and will trigger more regular attacks by bombers at night!
Just have to be patient....In my Allied WitP game I hit 2 Jap carriers with Catalinas in the night

I've squaled for more than a year about the Uber CAP, no one listened
I must say I agree, for each measure a counter-measure must be found. If Andy wants to win this game at all costs,
I will oppose him at all costs!


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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/22/2006 12:34:22 AM   
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Been having a little discussion with Andy;

-----Original Message-----
To: Andy McPhie
Subject: Re: turn

I will train 1000 teleporting Zekes, believe me - I need them to penetrate your death star force shield ;-)

---------------------------------------------
As long as they cannot dive from the stratosphere teleporting into my ships
at zero feet you can convert every kami you like.

Re keeping AF's closed be my guest if you are bombing chian AF's those units
are not available elsewhere.

I will keep it low key for now my P38J's are needed elsewhere but I do need
the threat or else you will just train 400+ teleporting Zeke's

-----Original Message-----
To: Andy McPhie
Subject: Re: turn

If I had wanted to I could bomb all bases in China into dust and keep
them closed, only a few left.
But I'll leave that decision to you.... The cease fire agreement with
the Generalissimo could 'cease' if I got too unhappy with the situation
though ;-)

When my air force can no longer be trained I will convert every last
plane into a Kami!

Andy McPhie wrote:
>I am now in range of being able to transfer P38J's into China if I choose to
>do so although not P40N's so the Chinese AF is still out of the fight and
>will remain at Chengtu until I get an operational AF within 24 hexes of an
>OPEN Chinese AF
>
>Am I free to base P38's in China if I can find an open base ?
>
>(I will leave strat bombing out of China its just to much grief all round
>and I would never have the supplies for it anyway unless I take a coastal
>base.....hmmmmm another avenue of advance perhaps !!!!!)

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RE: The Kamikaze During WWII - 8/22/2006 12:47:03 AM   
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I keep hearing that I should have let Andy land in the Marianas - as that would have
been the end of him. Well, the Germans should never have let the Allies land in Normandy, that's for sure

Had to serve Andy a little riposte before going to bed;


So if I had emplyed a different - and better defensive strategy, I wouldn't have had to worry about the death star force
shield bullshit? Hm, sounds like I deserve to loose 5000 ac without scoring a single hit on your carriers ;-)

Well, I didn't want to spoil the fun by defeating you too early! Got an audience to entertain you know <G>

Andy McPhie wrote:
Death star force shield is only used because I am short of flak ships that
suddenly I need more of because of this teleporting bullshit

Anyway that particular forces shield was easily defeated had you waited
until I landed you wasted your trained aircraft while I was concentrated as
a mechanism to trap your airforce.

My TF's had only one job I had proven I was willing to take risks and split
up my TF's had you waited until I was committed you would have had the fight
you sought.

Andy



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