Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Ballista

As an aside, just look how good the MWIF maps are (aesthetically) compared to the WIFE maps. Massive improvement all around, without a doubt......

I can't wait to get to scroll across the map.... :D

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ORIGINAL: Toed
If we are moving the border I suggest that it is just moved in the forest hex 3xNE of Oslo. Because the border is, with the exeption of a ~60 km * 30 km Norwegian "bite" at Trysil (a bit small to be represented as a whole hex imo), almost a straight line from east of Oslo up to east Trondheim and this one change would make it as straight as a north to south line can get in a hexgrid.

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

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ORIGINAL: Toed
If we are moving the border I suggest that it is just moved in the forest hex 3xNE of Oslo. Because the border is, with the exeption of a ~60 km * 30 km Norwegian "bite" at Trysil (a bit small to be represented as a whole hex imo), almost a straight line from east of Oslo up to east Trondheim and this one change would make it as straight as a north to south line can get in a hexgrid.

I agree with you that the hex 3xNE of Oslo is the most important to fix. It's the row where Norway is currently 6 hexes wide while Sweden is only 3 hexes wide. So I concur that this hex is the one to really fix. We can live with the others because they are partly Norwegian and partly Swedish all along the border. But thehex 3xNE of Oslo is clearly much more Swedish than Norwegian. Funny I say that as a Norwegian. Having a larger Norway is a sweet thought. But I prefer more to have a pretty accurate map.

I also noticed the others who have posted have agreed so I guess the hex 3xNE of Oslo can be made Swedish and then we let the borders in Scandinavia rest.

Do you agree too, Steve?

Froonp, can you do this and make a map showing the changed border if Steve agrees?

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ORIGINAL: Flanker Leader

...The history of modern Narvik begins in the 1870s, when the Swedish government began to understand the potential of the iron ore mines in Kiruna, Sweden. If you look at a map, you'll see that the notion of obtaining iron ore from Kiruna had one significant problem: where could it be shipped from? After all, the nearest Swedish port, Luleå, has limitations: it is covered with ice all winter, it is far from Kiruna and it allows only medium-sized bulk freight vessels. Realising these problems, a Swedish company (Gällivarre Aktiebolag) built a railway to Narvik, as the port there is ice free thanks to the warm Gulf Stream, and is naturally large, allowing boats of virtually any size to anchor (208 metres long, 27 metres deep).

LKAB, the mining corporation, still ships the majority of its ore from Narvik (a total 25 million tons a year) and the corporation is still important in the area, both as an employer and landowner, although its influence is not as prominent now as it has been in previous years. (from http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A533125 )

in the end transporting ore by rail is less efficient and more expensive than by ship, and narvik was the closest and best port to do the job. here's a very interesting post about how narvik/norway was overrated as an important german objective once france was taken:

http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800012484&tstart=0&mod=1155534143794

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I think it is sufficient to map the glaciers in Norway as alpine hexsides, rather than inventing a new hex type. They are not as large as a full hex, and it is possible for people to cross them if they are lightly equipped and properly trained. As for Svartisen, ordinary units should be allowed to pass from north to south on both the east and the west side of the glacier.

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I will have to write special code that only permits the 3 Swedish resources to go by rail to Narvik or Lulea (Boden). Specifically. it will have to forbid their movement over other rail lines.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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I will have to write special code that only permits the 3 Swedish resources to go by rail to Narvik or Lulea (Boden). Specifically. it will have to forbid their movement over other rail lines.

Well, I agree that the Swedish Iron Ore was shipped by sea through Narvik in real life, but nowhere does the WiF FE game makes it mandatory for Germany to ship the 3 Swedish resources by Sea. Especially putting 3 CP in the North Sea Sea Zone. The 3 CP that transport the 3 Swedish Resources are placed in the Baltic.
This particularity of the shippment of the Swedish Iron Ore is taken care of by a special rule :

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8.2.10 Iced-in ports
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If the last impulse of the turn was blizzard or snow in the Arctic weather zone, Germany can only ship the Swedish resources through the Baltic Sea area if Narvik is not controlled by an Allied major power [Designer’s Note: this represents the fact that the resources were transported through neutral Norwegian coastal waters during Winter].
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So, I think there is no need for coding what you wrote above, just to code what the rule 8.2.10. says, isn't it ?

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Froonp, can you do this and make a map showing the changed border if Steve agrees?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
The normal rules say that resources can be shipped by rail. So, sending the Swedish resources by rail through Finland and Leningrad to Germany or the USSR would seem to be possible. Is that a possibility that WIF FE RAW intended to exist?

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Patrice is on vacation with his family (wife and son, I believe) and should be back online in a couple of days. I'll leave this up to him - and the majority viewpoint, of course. The change only requires modifying one number in the map data. This also applies to the new map that c92nichj recently posted.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
BTW, here is the status of the unresolved issues (the 4 pending ones plus the new that you raised while I was sunbathing in Corsica) :

Tampere (35,47) (Borger) : Add. Third largest city.
6 Voters : 50 % YES, 50 % NO.
City / Finland

Lake Femunden (34,38 E) (Borger) : Remove.
6 Voters : 17 % YES, 83 % NO.
Lake / Norway

Dalälven () (Panzerjaeger Hortlund) : Add.
3 Voters : 100 % YES, 0 % NO.
River / Sweden

Bodø (Bodo) (25,41) (Borger) : Add. For supply reasons.
8 Voters : 50 % YES, 50 % NO.
Minor Port / Norway

Clear hex (Resource) (40,35) (ullern) : Change to Mountain.
5 Voters : 40 % YES, 60 % NO.
Terrain / Norway

Glacier Svartisen (alpine) (26,41) (gbirkeli) : Make it Alpine hexside.
2 Voters : 50 % YES, 50 % NO.
Terrain / Norway

Sweden & Norway Border 1 (36,39) (Borger) : Forest hex 2xNE of Oslo should maybe become Swedish.
4 Voters : 25 % YES, 75 % NO.
Border /

Sweden & Norway Border 2 (35,39) (Borger) : Forest hex 3xNE of Oslo should maybe become Swedish.
4 Voters : 75 % YES, 25 % NO.
Border /

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
Here is how it would look if making the hex 3 hexes NE of Oslo Swede, and adding the Swede River.

Hey, you Swede down here, aren't you trying to make Sweden an impregnable fortress ???

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
BTW, here is the status of the unresolved issues (the 4 pending ones plus the new that you raised while I was sunbathing in Corsica) :

Tampere (35,47) (Borger) : Add. Third largest city.
6 Voters : 50 % YES, 50 % NO.
City / Finland

Lake Femunden (34,38 E) (Borger) : Remove.
6 Voters : 17 % YES, 83 % NO.
Lake / Norway

Dalälven () (Panzerjaeger Hortlund) : Add.
3 Voters : 100 % YES, 0 % NO.
River / Sweden

Bodø (Bodo) (25,41) (Borger) : Add. For supply reasons.
8 Voters : 50 % YES, 50 % NO.
Minor Port / Norway

Clear hex (Resource) (40,35) (ullern) : Change to Mountain.
5 Voters : 40 % YES, 60 % NO.
Terrain / Norway

Glacier Svartisen (alpine) (26,41) (gbirkeli) : Make it Alpine hexside.
2 Voters : 50 % YES, 50 % NO.
Terrain / Norway

Sweden & Norway Border 1 (36,39) (Borger) : Forest hex 2xNE of Oslo should maybe become Swedish.
4 Voters : 25 % YES, 75 % NO.
Border /

Sweden & Norway Border 2 (35,39) (Borger) : Forest hex 3xNE of Oslo should maybe become Swedish.
4 Voters : 75 % YES, 25 % NO.
Border /

I do not feel strongly about these, but I am quite willing to make the final decisions: as indicated. Where a majority existed, I went with the majority. The others are simply my personal preference.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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Patrice is on vacation with his family (wife and son, I believe) and should be back online in a couple of days. I'll leave this up to him - and the majority viewpoint, of course. The change only requires modifying one number in the map data. This also applies to the new map that c92nichj recently posted.

Yes, I was, look, some WiF FE (Fog of War) SAS spy even managed to caught me red handed !!!

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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Froonp, can you do this and make a map showing the changed border if Steve agrees?

Here is how it would look if making the hex 3 hexes NE of Oslo Swede, and adding the Swede River.

Hey, you Swede down here, aren't you trying to make Sweden an impregnable fortress ???

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ORIGINAL: c92nichj
I found the following map on the net, not sure who made it, but I think it is pretty good. It have added swamp in the northern sweden just as northern Finalnd which I guess is pretty accurate way of describing the climate up there.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

About Finland there were not much feedback from you all Scandinavians. You jumped on Sweden and Norway, but what about Finland ?

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ORIGINAL: Toed
My knowledge about the Finnish geography is sadly limited. But it seems the lakes might need some tweaking similar to what the Swedish lakes got. Thinner and appearance more like the originals.

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But for me to name them or say if they are on the right hexsides or not would require some research. Are there perhaps some Finns here with that knowlegde at hand? Here is a map with limited zoom functions that might help out.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Toed
My knowledge about the Finnish geography is sadly limited. But it seems the lakes might need some tweaking similar to what the Swedish lakes got. Thinner and appearance more like the originals.

I've said that to Rob the Graphic Artist, in case he uses my draft drawing as a template for his own drawings. But I do not intend to drawn them thinner on my draft map for the moment.
I also think that the Lakes I drew or Sweden are too much thin, and I think the correct size may lie somewhere between the Finnish exagerated lake width and the Swedish realistic lake width.

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But for me to name them or say if they are on the right hexsides or not would require some research. Are there perhaps some Finns here with that knowlegde at hand? Here is a map with limited zoom functions that might help out.

I do not intend to redraw them much anyway, I think they do the job as they are. There was much taking and modifications made when I made this with Nils already.

Thanks for the link, I'll look.
Most of the lakes drawn on the MWiF draft map I did are some kinds of abstractions of a vast lakes & rivers network. They may not be exactly like that, but it would be too complicated to depict faithfully.
Also, the Swamp hex NW of Vyborg was another attempt at depicting this lake & river network.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Here is how it looks with the choices approved by Steve and us all.

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The glacier hexes - such as the one a few hexes north-east of Bergen - should have a little texture so that they don't look blank as if the hex graphic was missing. Say, a little grey speckling around the edges so that it appears to blend into the mountains a bit, yet doesn't look like tundra.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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The glacier hexes - such as the one a few hexes north-east of Bergen - should have a little texture so that they don't look blank as if the hex graphic was missing. Say, a little grey speckling around the edges so that it appears to blend into the mountains a bit, yet doesn't look like tundra.

Someone also suggested adding some blue for a better 'ice effect' too.