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RE: Karachi/Malir advice - 8/31/2006 8:38:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KDonovan

anyone think its a better idea to most of my troops out of Karachi to Malir in order to avoid the naval bombardments??...and have my last stand at Malir. I know i'll probably lose all of India..but i just want to prolong the inevitable. Any thoughts??

PS - both are at level nine forts



Karachi. Karachi. Karachi.

The real crime is no attempt by anything to lift the bombardment. Why the h3ll send subs there with mines and not torpedoes? (I know you're using the ill-advised Allied Sub Doctrine on.) Anything will do.

The bombardment must not be allowed to go on unmolested. If you have resigned India to fall then resign the game.

The fall of India is not inevitable if you defend it and force him to pay attention elsewhere.

This Gen. Gamelein (Re:France '39-'40 let's wait 'em out until we have material superiority even though that won't be until '41 plan) defense plan is a strategy for failure.

Cripes! Do something elsewhere to get his attentrion!

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RE: Karachi/Malir advice - 8/31/2006 8:40:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

...Also, don't forget I can go around the river and attack from the rear. Better to endure the bombardments.




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RE: Karachi/Malir advice - 8/31/2006 3:07:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chris Trog


quote:

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

...Also, don't forget I can go around the river and attack from the rear. Better to endure the bombardments.




Nobody listens to me.



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RE: Karachi/Malir advice - 8/31/2006 3:19:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Prediction: The NFL football season will be over before Karachi falls. As a bonus, the NY GIANTS will repeat as division champs.

P.S. It is hard for me to support a player in WitP that is a "beagles" fan....

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Seige of Karachi - 8/31/2006 3:37:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Karachi is now under seige. Kenny will be starting his offensive in the next few weeks so this may become a side show.

Kenny now has a tough decision to make. We have agreed that if Karachi falls I will give it back. The tough decision for him is whether or not to leave replacements on (We have agreed that the Chinese SEAC units that repawned there will have theirs turned off). Keeping them on will give Karachi a chance of holding out and inflicting higher losses. The downside of this is that I am scoring 300-400 VP a month through the bombardments. It may be worth it for me to just laying seige and use the bombardmets to rack up points.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/15/42

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 1

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

Less is more. 4 Zeros (left over fragments) downed more planes for less cost since there were none on the ground to be destroyed

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 12
Martin 139 x 12
P-38G Lightning x 19
B-25C Mitchell x 119

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 3 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 2 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 18 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported

Airbase hits 16
Runway hits 71

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9524 troops, 306 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7431

Defending force 335892 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11380



Allied ground losses:
547 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/16/42


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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake
DD Wakatake
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Namikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Kitakami
CL Tama
CL Isuzu
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CA Kako


Allied ground losses:
740 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 6

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 60
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 4

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Akebono
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Sagiri
DD Ariake
DD Asagumo
DD Samidare
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
CA Tone


Allied ground losses:
1674 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 9

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 78
Port hits 15
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Kari
DD Hato
DD Tomozuru
DD Hatsukari
DD Karukaya
DD Numakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Kisaragi
DD Ayanami
DD Shinonome
DD Murasame
DD Kuroshio
DD Akigumo
CL Yubari
CL Tatsuta
CL Oi
CL Kiso
CL Kuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Natori
CL Nagara
CL Jintsu
CA Haguro


Allied ground losses:
354 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 66
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 5


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12642 troops, 413 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7442

Defending force 335276 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11347



Allied ground losses:
612 casualties reported



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RE: Seige of Karachi - 8/31/2006 6:11:46 PM   
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The real crime is no attempt by anything to lift the bombardment. Why the h3ll send subs there with mines and not torpedoes? (I know you're using the ill-advised Allied Sub Doctrine on.) Anything will do.

The bombardment must not be allowed to go on unmolested. If you have resigned India to fall then resign the game.

The fall of India is not inevitable if you defend it and force him to pay attention elsewhere.


subs are currently unavailable at the moment, since most of them are in port refitting with much needed radar.

quote:

Prediction: The NFL football season will be over before Karachi falls.


hmmm...by then we should be in Late 1943'. I would be happy with that, tying down multiple japanese divisions, but somehow i doubt that. If Tom makes a full, concentrated effort to take down Karachi, i would say the city will fall around Dec 42'.

quote:

NY GIANTS will repeat as division champs.


not sure about that...think the Eagles will take the Division this year. My Jets look like they will be in the basement of their division. Lucky for me, my Mets are just tearing up oppenants, so i'll have baseball to distract me well into October.

quote:

I am scoring 300-400 VP a month through the bombardments. It may be worth it for me to just laying seige and use the bombardmets to rack up points.


may need those points to off balance the 500+ 4E bomber raids. But then again not taking Karachi leaves a major thorn in your side. Tough call for both of us

quote:

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 12
Martin 139 x 12
P-38G Lightning x 19
B-25C Mitchell x 119

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 3 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 2 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 18 damaged


P38's make their debut....shooting down 2 Zero's while suffering no losses

quote:

Less is more. 4 Zeros (left over fragments) downed more planes for less cost since there were none on the ground to be destroyed


think you might be mistaken...didn't see any A2A losses on my side. All my losses were due to flak..which has been performing well i might add

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 8/31/2006 6:45:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I assumed the losses were due to A2A due to flak's poor performance in the past. Nice to see they have learned how to shoot straight.

I will be happy if I can take Karachi by the end of the year. I am estimating that the AV is around 4K due to the Chineese troops. I will have to whittle this down to 2K to have a realistic chance of taking the city.

In the mean time I will need the points to make up for the 4E bomber raids. The final of the destruction of PM was about 550 scored by you vs 125 for me. Not a good return points wise but as far as replacements go I should replace my losses faster. The losses were aggravated by the fact that I forgot to turn off the replacements as they were being bombed. If I had Tonies instead of Oscars the base still would have been shut down but your losses would have been much higher with several of the damaged now being kills.

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 2:36:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/17/42

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Sagiri
DD Ariake
DD Samidare
DD Asagumo
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
CA Tone


Allied ground losses:
704 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 38
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake
DD Wakatake
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Namikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Kitakami
CL Tama
CL Isuzu
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CA Kako


Allied ground losses:
229 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 63
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Kari
DD Hato
DD Tomozuru
DD Hatsukari
DD Karukaya
DD Numakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Kisaragi
DD Ayanami
DD Shinonome
DD Murasame
DD Kuroshio
DD Akigumo
CL Yubari
CL Tatsuta
CL Oi
CL Kiso
CL Kuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Natori
CL Nagara
CL Jintsu
CA Haguro


Allied ground losses:
190 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 47
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 12
Martin 139 x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 15 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 64

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13321 troops, 436 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7446

Defending force 334549 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11301



Allied ground losses:
555 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/18/42


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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 1

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 9

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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ASW attack at 70,126

Japanese Ships
SS I-173, hits 4

Allied Ships
AP Le Maire
AP Neptuna
AP Manunda
SC SC-744
SC SC-743
SC SC-640
SC SC-636


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13282 troops, 436 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7455

Defending force 334458 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11267



Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported



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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 5:58:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		First probing attack (via bombardment) at Karachi. Number of troops and AV is about 1/2 of what my recons had reported. Maybe I will be able to take Karachi.

Progress is also being made at Chungking. I don't know why it is working but if it ain't broke I am not going to try to fix it

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/19/42

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TF 137 encounters mine field at Shortlands (63,93)

Japanese Ships
MSW Toshi Maru #7
MSW Toshi Maru #2
MSW Seki Maru #3
MSW Fumi Maru #2
MSW Banshu Maru #8
MSW Asahi Maru

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TF 1071 encounters mine field at Newcastle (39,125)

Allied Ships
MSW Strahan

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Sagiri
DD Ariake
DD Samidare
DD Asagumo
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
CA Tone


Allied ground losses:
497 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 52
Port hits 2

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 164
Ki-49 Helen x 75

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
445 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 182
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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13277 troops, 436 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7461

Defending force 333832 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11291



Allied ground losses:
440 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7490 troops, 254 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2892

Defending force 71496 troops, 570 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1643



Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/20/42


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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Yamato
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
4736 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 12

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 42
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 162
Ki-49 Helen x 89

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
489 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 210

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13304 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7473

Defending force 332835 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11280



Allied ground losses:
717 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8420 troops, 291 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2854

Defending force 68110 troops, 539 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1622



Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported



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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 8:31:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KDonovan

quote:

The real crime is no attempt by anything to lift the bombardment. Why the h3ll send subs there with mines and not torpedoes? (I know you're using the ill-advised Allied Sub Doctrine on.) Anything will do.

The bombardment must not be allowed to go on unmolested. If you have resigned India to fall then resign the game.

The fall of India is not inevitable if you defend it and force him to pay attention elsewhere.


subs are currently unavailable at the moment, since most of them are in port refitting with much needed radar.


Note for future strategic planning on your part. When faced with a strategic situation such as the Allies in Pacific '41-'42 you have to be a few steps ahead of your opponent.

Proper prior planning would have prevented this inability to contest Karachi as the obvious Japanese continental grand strategy made itself apparent.

When playing the Allies in the Pacific in '41 or in Europe in '39 you have to try and stay ahead of him. Lay back but study, watch and plan ahead for countermoves. If you do nothing but react you're dancing to his tune.

And you're dead.

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 3:07:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trog: Kenny has read my mind several times and made me pay for it. From what I have seen in other AARs he may earn the title of "Master of Mines" since I always seem to run into a mine field. So far he has sunk around 30 ships with mines due to his uncanny ability to predict where I am going to move. Even with as well as I have done, I may not be able to hold a 4:1 VP ration until 01-01-43 and ins't that the true sign of a good Allied player?

A Bombardment TF full of BBs converted to Surface Combat for the 2nd day in a row. the Commander is greyed out so I think I may have been bitten by a small bug. Disbanded the TF and sent it out for tommorrow. The DDs and LCUs are keeping the AV at Karachi treading water. The BBs are what pushes it under.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/21/42

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TF 1071 encounters mine field at Newcastle (39,125)

Allied Ships
MSW Stawell
MSW Rockhampton
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Strahan

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 121
Ki-49 Helen x 60

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
317 casualties reported

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 115

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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 52
P-38G Lightning x 29
F-5A Lightning x 10
B-17E Fortress x 126
LB-30 Liberator x 105
B-24D Liberator x 256

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 3 destroyed, 24 damaged

Flak units get the range and shoot down 11 bombers over 2 days

Japanese ground losses:
822 casualties reported
Guns lost 22

Airbase hits 46
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 518
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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
412 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107151 troops, 1290 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 2855

Defending force 68459 troops, 546 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1624



Allied ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13256 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7482

Defending force 332106 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11271



Allied ground losses:
687 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/22/42


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TF 1071 encounters mine field at Newcastle (39,125)

Allied Ships
MSW Stawell
MSW Rockhampton
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Strahan

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
360 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 33
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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TF 1071 encounters mine field at Newcastle (39,125)

Allied Ships
MSW Stawell
MSW Rockhampton
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Strahan

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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 38
P-38G Lightning x 16
F-5A Lightning x 9
B-17E Fortress x 52
LB-30 Liberator x 71
B-24D Liberator x 126


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 7 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed, 18 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
480 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 414
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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
311 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 49
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107070 troops, 1286 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 2854

Defending force 68488 troops, 556 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1624



Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13277 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7483

Defending force 331322 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11272



Allied ground losses:
817 casualties reported



_____________________________

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"No plan survives contact with the enemy." - Field Marshall Helmuth von Moltke


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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 9:44:26 PM   
KDonovan


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quote:

Proper prior planning would have prevented this inability to contest Karachi as the obvious Japanese continental grand strategy made itself apparent.


how would i know on Dec 7th 1941 that his goal would be Karachi?? Why couldn't it be Australia?...or South Pacific??..or Hawaii??

regardless, as i've stated before...no player can successfully defend India in March of 1942 against 10+ infantry divisions with the entire KB supporting the invasion. Despite these overwhelming odds, i did send 90% of all my naval assets to the Indian theatre to attack the invasion force. But as luck would have it..they were 2 weeks too late to factor in any decisive battle.

Losing India isn't the end of the world for the Allies anyways. In real life how much did the Indian/Burma theatre contribute to the demise of the Japanese??. In fact, in this game if the Allies hold the India, most players can launch a counter-offensive in late 42, early 43 in the burma theatre which is very unhistorical.

So despite getting my ass handed to in the opening months, i now have a stable front extending from Australia --> South Pacific --> Hawaii. In fact its the historical mid 1942 boundry, except for Port Moresby (which is impossible to hold in this game). I'll wager that by the end of 1943 i'll be close to, if not further, than the historical allied offensive

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 9:52:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trog is also not aware that I was going to try to invade Australia in Mid 42 but India was going so slowly that I had to put it off.

Same thing with the DEI taking too long to fall. If I had taken it faster I would have made a move on Neouma. Now that would be suicical.

I agree that stopping an invasion of India is nearly impossible. Had Kenny just holed up at Karachi there would be no way I could take it but then again I would have tried. The freed up units would have gone towards other operations.

Every action has consequences. You must choose which ones you are willing to accept. If you fight to the death in India you may hold it but you may lose OZ or Neouma, or the Easter Pacific Islands as a result.

I just hope to still hold a historical line by the end of 43.

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/1/2006 10:32:02 PM   
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I agree that stopping an invasion of India is nearly impossible. Had Kenny just holed up at Karachi there would be no way I could take it but then again I would have tried. The freed up units would have gone towards other operations.


also wouldn't have been any fun if it i just retreated all my units to Karachi, just as it wouldn't have been fun for you if you just advanced on Karachi, while ignoring the rest of India.

Besides...by keeping the majority of my troops in the Calcutta area, it was good learning expereince as to where to concentrate on fort building and troops, next time i start another PBEM

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 2:43:46 AM   
RUPD3658


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Joined: 8/28/2002
From: East Brunswick, NJ
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/23/42

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake
DD Wakatake
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Namikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Kitakami
CL Tama
CL Isuzu
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CA Kako


Allied ground losses:
513 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 52
Port hits 16
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 3

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Kari
DD Hato
DD Tomozuru
DD Hatsukari
DD Karukaya
DD Numakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Kisaragi
DD Ayanami
DD Shinonome
DD Murasame
DD Kuroshio
DD Akigumo
CL Yubari
CL Tatsuta
CL Oi
CL Kiso
CL Kuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Natori
CL Nagara
CL Jintsu
CA Haguro


Allied ground losses:
372 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 93
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 106
Ki-49 Helen x 77

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
317 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 111

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 110


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 3
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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107148 troops, 1286 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 2855

Defending force 67846 troops, 549 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1622



Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13336 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7485

Defending force 330057 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11231



Allied ground losses:
845 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/24/42


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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 154
Ki-49 Helen x 74

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
228 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 131
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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 99


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Amagiri
DD Sagiri
DD Fubuki
DD Umikaze
DD Samidare
DD Akatsuki
DD Ariake
DD Hiyodori


Allied ground losses:
248 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 38
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107091 troops, 1284 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 2854

Defending force 68217 troops, 561 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 1622



Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13295 troops, 437 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7484

Defending force 328413 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11201



Allied ground losses:
392 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 6:11:55 AM   
RUPD3658


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Status: offline 		BBs stayed on mission and lowered the AV at Karachi by 30 points.

Lots of subs spotted in my home waters. I think Kenny has fixed his torpedos and is ready to start his sub campaign.

AA gunners at PM continue to take a toll on the 4E air pirates.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/25/42

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
CA Tone
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Yamato
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
3343 casualties reported (Most were killed when huge piles of supplies fell on them)
Guns lost 34
Vehicles lost 3

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 94
Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 7

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Hiyodori
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Amagiri
DD Sagiri
DD Fubuki
DD Akatsuki
DD Ariake
DD Umikaze
DD Samidare


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Runway hits 43
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 5

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 139
Ki-49 Helen x 79

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
448 casualties reported

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 229
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 43
B-17E Fortress x 103
LB-30 Liberator x 85
B-24D Liberator x 173


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
550 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Port hits 55
Port fuel hits 30
Port supply hits 26
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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107244 troops, 1285 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 2857

Defending force 64211 troops, 516 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1591



Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13312 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7495

Defending force 327636 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11186



Allied ground losses:
562 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/42


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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Kari
DD Hato
DD Tomozuru
DD Hatsukari
DD Karukaya
DD Numakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Kisaragi
DD Ayanami
DD Shinonome
DD Murasame
DD Kuroshio
DD Akigumo
CL Yubari
CL Tatsuta
CL Oi
CL Kiso
CL Kuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Natori
CL Nagara
CL Jintsu
CA Haguro


Allied ground losses:
536 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 65
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 153
Ki-49 Helen x 77

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
320 casualties reported

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 245
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 59
B-17E Fortress x 80
LB-30 Liberator x 92
B-24D Liberator x 193


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 12 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Guns lost 13

Port hits 16
Port fuel hits 14
Port supply hits 18

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake
DD Wakatake
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Namikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Kitakami
CL Tama
CL Isuzu
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CA Kako


Allied ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 51
Port hits 7
Port supply hits 3


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107307 troops, 1288 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 2859

Defending force 63814 troops, 517 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1592



Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13245 troops, 436 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7498

Defending force 326892 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11177



Allied ground losses:
406 casualties reported



< Message edited by RUPD3658 -- 9/2/2006 6:13:45 AM >

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 10:17:43 AM   
New York Jets


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ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

Trog: Kenny has read my mind several times and made me pay for it. From what I have seen in other AARs he may earn the title of "Master of Mines" since I always seem to run into a mine field. So far he has sunk around 30 ships with mines due to his uncanny ability to predict where I am going to move. Even with as well as I have done, I may not be able to hold a 4:1 VP ration until 01-01-43 and ins't that the true sign of a good Allied player?

A Bombardment TF full of BBs converted to Surface Combat for the 2nd day in a row. the Commander is greyed out so I think I may have been bitten by a small bug. Disbanded the TF and sent it out for tommorrow. The DDs and LCUs are keeping the AV at Karachi treading water. The BBs are what pushes it under.



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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 10:39:51 AM   
New York Jets


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ORIGINAL: KDonovan

...In real life how much did the Indian/Burma theatre contribute to the demise of the Japanese??. In fact, in this game if the Allies hold the India, most players can launch a counter-offensive in late 42, early 43 in the burma theatre which is very unhistorical.

So despite getting my ass handed to in the opening months, i now have a stable front extending from Australia --> South Pacific --> Hawaii. In fact its the historical mid 1942 boundry, except for Port Moresby (which is impossible to hold in this game). I'll wager that by the end of 1943 i'll be close to, if not further, than the historical allied offensive


In "real life" the CBI (China-Burma-India) Theater contributed a lot to the demise of the Japanese. So, the only way (according to your reasoning) to maintain a "historical" game is to let the Japanese player "run the board" in India?

I'll sign up for a game as the Allies. I doubt (given your experience level) that Port Moresby is impossible to defend. I would like to hear from some others who have succesfully defended Port Moresby in the Campaign game.

I'll wager that by the end of '43, given your timid nature, you won't even be close to what the Allies accomplished at that time. Your opponent owns you.

Don't bother with a response. I'm abandoning observing this AAR.

Good Luck!



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Post #: 318
RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 6:21:37 PM   
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I'll sign up for a game as the Allies. I doubt (given your experience level) that Port Moresby is impossible to defend. I would like to hear from some others who have succesfully defended Port Moresby in the Campaign game.


Unlike a lot of people on this board, i haven't been playing wargames for decades. I'm only 25 years old, and up until recently (ie last year), i've only played against inept AI's in wargames. So yeah, my experience against real oppenants is lacking. Would you really expect me...someone with a few years of wargaming against an AI, who never even played UV, to beat up on RUPD, someone who's been playing wargames for over a decade, and even played UV?? Clearly, i knew i would get beat up...but that was the point. I wouldn't learn as much as quickly playing someone at my skill level.

Regardless, i would love to see you defend Port Moresby in an AAR, against a competant oppenant, in a stock game. Its pretty common knowledge around here that if a japanese player wants PM...he can have it. I would imagine that the AARs you've seen with PM still in allied hands, that the Japanese player didn't want it. In fact..i've even seen the Japanese take PM as late as August 1942 with 2 Aussie Division stationed there.

quote:

I'll wager that by the end of '43, given your timid nature, you won't even be close to what the Allies accomplished at that time. Your opponent owns you.


i can see why you would think i'm timid, considering in an email your advice for my besiege troops at Chungking was to launch a shock attack against 300,000 japanese troops. So against those standards...yeah i guess i am timid.

IMO, i would say i'm in between being an aggressive player, and a timid player. I didn't do the Sir Robin defense, as i quickly reinforced Java with a Inf Div and Timor with 2 Brigades. I contested the landing at Rabual with naval forces. The AVG fought until i had only 10 P40B's left. And I fought the KB in April of 1942, without LBA. The last point is especially telling, as most people on this forum will tell you not to go up against the KB until after the Zero bonus is gone, or until after you get the Wasp, and certainly not outside LBA cover. Yet i still managed to sink 2 Japanese CV's while losing only 3 of mine. Tactically a lose...but strategically a victory.


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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 6:37:38 PM   
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Ignore him. (By the way, I've been playing wargames longer than you've been around.)

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 8:29:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Trog

Don't bother with a response. I'm abandoning observing this AAR.

Good Luck!




Why did he even bother reading if he did not like what he saw?

I wish I was as confident as him that I had the game won hands down.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/27/42


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107412 troops, 1290 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 2865

Defending force 64915 troops, 530 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1596



Allied ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14195 troops, 464 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7504

Defending force 326732 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11160



Allied ground losses:
652 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/28/42


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TF 3 encounters mine field at Buna (55,90)

Japanese Ships
AP Tainichi Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Master of Mines strikes again

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
425 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 44
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107342 troops, 1293 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 2862

Defending force 64995 troops, 544 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1600



Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14195 troops, 464 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7508

Defending force 326628 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11116



Allied ground losses:
415 casualties reported
Guns lost 1






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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 8:39:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		From first glance it may seem like you have it won hands down. IMHO, you've done the one thing that can forestall an immediate defeat for the Japanese. You've knocked him back, and kept him off ballance. The only thing that can prevent the Allies from striking back is undercutting their assembly areas.

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 9:45:49 PM   
RUPD3658


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Status: offline 		Onime: We agreed at the start that we would override the 1943 auto victory so that game is going at least to 44. Even with this I may not be able to maintain the 4:1 VP ratio needed (currently 4.22:1) due to air losses. Most important thing is we are both having fun.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/29/42

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
361 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 32
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Hagikaze
DD Shiranuhi
DD Maikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Natsushio
DD Naganami
DD Kazegumo


Allied ground losses:
149 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 30
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107285 troops, 1291 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 2860

Defending force 65030 troops, 547 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1597



Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14208 troops, 465 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7509

Defending force 326952 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11120



Allied ground losses:
341 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/30/42


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ASW attack at 79,57

Japanese Ships
MSW W.22
MSW W.21
MSW Wa 20
MSW Wa 9
MSW Wa 6
MSW Wa 5
MSW Wa 4
MSW Wa 2
MSW Wa 1

Allied Ships
SS Snapper

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Takao
CA Chikuma
CA Tone
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Yamato
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
3159 casualties reported
Guns lost 27
Vehicles lost 4

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 164
Port hits 21
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 10

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake
DD Wakatake
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Namikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Kitakami
CL Tama
CL Isuzu
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CA Kako


Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 43
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Hiyodori
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Amagiri
DD Sagiri
DD Fubuki
DD Akatsuki
DD Ariake
DD Umikaze
DD Samidare


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 40
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Kari
DD Hato
DD Tomozuru
DD Hatsukari
DD Karukaya
DD Numakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Kisaragi
DD Ayanami
DD Shinonome
DD Murasame
DD Kuroshio
DD Akigumo
CL Yubari
CL Tatsuta
CL Oi
CL Kiso
CL Kuma
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Natori
CL Nagara
CL Jintsu
CA Haguro


Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 67
Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107301 troops, 1287 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 2861

Defending force 60764 troops, 523 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1586



Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14161 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7516

Defending force 326227 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11091



Allied ground losses:
491 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/2/2006 10:01:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont mean autovictory at all, just the continuous influx of Allied units.

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/3/2006 2:21:50 AM   
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 57
P-38G Lightning x 31
B-17E Fortress x 131
LB-30 Liberator x 103
B-24D Liberator x 236


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 9 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
732 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Airbase hits 44
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 567
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 4


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107329 troops, 1292 guns, 229 vehicles, Assault Value = 2857

Defending force 62288 troops, 532 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1591



Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14225 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7514

Defending force 326458 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11106



Allied ground losses:
221 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/01/42


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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 57
P-38G Lightning x 46
B-17E Fortress x 117
LB-30 Liberator x 77
B-24D Liberator x 216


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 9 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
770 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 381
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 107303 troops, 1295 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 11981

Defending force 64195 troops, 563 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 1596



Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14292 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7522

Defending force 326720 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11103



Allied ground losses:
772 casualties reported



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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/3/2006 4:14:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		470 Heavy bombers hitting PM...YIKES!!!  
I think the moon has less craters on the whole thing that what PM has now.
Once those groups get their experince level up to over 75, someone will have his own "Death Star" to shut down bases.
I know that this is a joint AAR, but I wish I knew what each of you were planning outside of the two seiges on the mainland.


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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/3/2006 4:55:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		sent you a PM ny59giants detailing my plans

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/3/2006 5:24:11 AM   
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sent you a PM ny59giants detailing my plans


Got it and replied.

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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/3/2006 6:30:57 AM   
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The assault on Karachi starts tomorrow.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/02/42


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 481929 troops, 5084 guns, 275 vehicles, Assault Value = 12104

Defending force 65387 troops, 571 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1602



Allied ground losses:
347 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14285 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7522

Defending force 326277 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11084



Allied ground losses:
325 casualties reported

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/03/42


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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sagi
DD Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake
DD Wakatake
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Namikaze
DD Nokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Kitakami
CL Tama
CL Isuzu
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CA Kako


Allied ground losses:
389 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 37
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 1

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Hiyodori
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Amagiri
DD Sagiri
DD Fubuki
DD Akatsuki
DD Ariake
DD Umikaze
DD Samidare


Allied ground losses:
190 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 41
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 4

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Hiyodori
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Hakaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hatakaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Satsuki
DD Akebono
DD Amagiri
DD Sagiri
DD Fubuki
DD Akatsuki
DD Ariake
DD Umikaze
DD Samidare


Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 31
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1


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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 481820 troops, 5075 guns, 274 vehicles, Assault Value = 12102

Defending force 63808 troops, 552 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 1601



Allied ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14228 troops, 465 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7524

Defending force 326269 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11106



Allied ground losses:
283 casualties reported




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RE: Seige of Karachi - 9/3/2006 10:52:07 AM   
New York Jets


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i can see why you would think i'm timid, considering in an email your advice for my besiege troops at Chungking was to launch a shock attack against 300,000 japanese troops. So against those standards...yeah i guess i am timid.



I was making that suggestion based upon the combat reports that RUPODXNHYT1497384 posted at the time showing him making a bombardment attack with a force 1/20th the size of yours.

If you want to include the contents of previously "private" e-mails maybe I should also include your pathetic deployment of submarines in the Central Pacific.

Shall I?

Your call.

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