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Air Losses - 10/7/2006 7:21:03 AM   
Capt. Harlock


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Status: offline 		Very interesting numbers for air losses. Congrats on destroying over 400 Fortresses and 800+ Lightnings.

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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 8:20:07 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		Nemo - in this game such big strikes are rather teoretically possible  and they only happen against land targets - i have never seen anything like that against ships
PZB tried to do sth like that and he failed too with big strike
you will have 200 - 300 as biggest and such will be eaten by cap


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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 10:45:33 AM   
Nemo121


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Difficult but not impossible... I have found that just waiting patiently until the enemy is within range of up to 3 airbases ( 1 airbase for every 300 planes required)... When I got the Allies close to 3 airbases I put about 400 planes on each, generated a 900 plane strike and managed to swat ( over the course of 3 days) 2 Allied CVs, 3 CVEs and 2 BBs. This is in 1944.

It is DAMNED difficult to do and it can occur only when very specific criteria are met ( Allies operate beyond easy LBA range, Japanese have a large number of mutually supporting bases within a few hexes of eachother etc) but it is possible and you'd only need to achieve it once to force the Allied player to slow his offensives significantly for the rest of the war.

I do take your point though that it is likely that you may just get several 300 plane raids and lose them all but since that's the best you can manage with conventional attacks anyway why not try something different which, if it fails, does no worse than your current methods but if it succeeds does markedly better?

Anyways, back to the game ;). Sorry for hijacking the thread I've just been doing a lot of kami testing. Only about 1/3rd of the time does this work but when it does entire Allied TFs are just shattered so I thought I'd say it.

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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 10:47:04 AM   
Nemo121


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Status: offline 		BTW, yeah the Lightning numers are very interesting. What would you put these high Lightning losses down to?

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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 3:45:21 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		lightings ....
p38g were used often - basicly allied air workhorse
tony/tojo with good pilots managed to get 1:1
p38j is diffrent story 1:2 is usual against them

as to big LBA attacks
airfields in pbems that are able to launch such attacks are often  within range of enemy 4e bombers what complicate it more than seriously
before frances and peggys you have only 400 bettys/nells
my probability for launching so big strike is estimated as below10-15% against experianced human opponent
so lots of luck is needed


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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 4:23:09 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		i see interest in total air loses so here it is 2 page of data




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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 8:54:43 PM   
Nemo121


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Status: offline 		Sneer, Yes I had my "box trap" set when the Allies went for Tinian. I had Saipan and Guam and Iwo Jima for the long-range kamis. Also had a few bases holding the south edge of the box clear to Saipan.

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RE: Air Losses - 10/7/2006 9:11:39 PM   
Sneer


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RE: Air Losses - 10/8/2006 12:28:06 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		slow pace so opportunity to deliver more data
sub war is most absorbing just after air raids
Raverdave lost 71 subs to date
japan lost 29 to date
about 30 allied subs were sunk in port / manila and soerabaja/
out of 40 subs sunk in open waters less than 20 were sunk by DC from hunter-killer groups
and rest by bombs - with 5-6 killed by patrols from KB Helens scored over 15


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RE: Air Losses - 10/11/2006 3:19:30 AM   
Sneer


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allied carriers again in action
200 miles from koepang
let's see where allied will dare to move


i would forget, british army in india is in offensive mode

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RE: Air Losses - 10/11/2006 1:15:22 PM   
Sneer


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according to allied news agency allied offensive has already begun
20+ units attacks our position in east india
and lots of carriers seen south of koepang
empire HQ claims that enemy will be repulsed

DMS Boggs sunk by betty's raid at darwin harbour



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RE: Air Losses - 10/11/2006 4:54:28 PM   
Sneer


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/17/43

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TF 1035 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77)
 
Allied Ships
DMS Southard
BB Oklahoma, Mine hits 1,  on fire
 
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TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77)
 
Allied Ships
MSW Mildura
MSW Lithgow
MSW Launceton
MSW Latrobe
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Junee
MSW Horsham
MSW Glenelg
MSW Gladstone
MSW Geelong
MSW Freemantle
MSW Echuca
MSW Cowra
MSW Cootamundra
MSW Cessnock
MSW Castlemaine
MSW Bunbury
MSW Bowen
MSW Benalla
PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
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TF 1078 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77)
 
Allied Ships
DE LeHardy, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
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Naval bombardment of Koepang, at 28,77
 
Allied Ships
DD Relentless
DD Gillespie
DD Eaton
CL Enterprise
CA Exeter
CA Sussex
CA Astoria
BB Resolution
BB Royal Sovereign
BB Massachusetts
BB Mississippi
BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Colorado
BB Maryland
 
Japanese ground losses:
566 casualties reported
Guns lost 28
Vehicles lost 1
 
Airbase supply hits 1
Port supply hits 1
 
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 147
J2M Jack x 47
D3A Val x 8
B5N Kate x 3
 
No Japanese losses
 
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 22
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 1000 feet
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
72 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
47 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
45 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
 3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91
 
Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 39
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 21
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 10
 
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 52
B-17E Fortress x 23
 
Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 18 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 11 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 9 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 7 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 15
 
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
 9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 48th Division, at 29,18
 
 
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 4
Thunderbolt II x 21
Vengeance I x 19
P-47D Thunderbolt x 18
A-36A Apache x 42
B-25J Mitchell x 33
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
200 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
33 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
18 x P-47D Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
42 x A-36A Apache bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77
 
 
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 4
TBM Avenger x 18
Avenger II x 14
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 2 damaged
Avenger II: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
 
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
 9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
14 x Avenger II bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 26,81
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged
 
Allied Ships
BB Royal Sovereign, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
BB Maryland
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack at 27,80
 
Japanese Ships
SS I-166
 
Allied Ships
DMS Southard, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
 
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Ground combat at 29,18
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 2913 troops, 24 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 1965
 
Defending force 168517 troops, 1468 guns, 1610 vehicles, Assault Value = 4166
 
Japanese max assault: 68 - adjusted assault: 5
 
Allied max defense: 4352 - adjusted defense: 3225
 
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
540 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 31
 
Allied ground losses:
238 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
 
 
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Ground combat at 29,18
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 139917 troops, 1314 guns, 992 vehicles, Assault Value = 4149
 
Defending force 86066 troops, 762 guns, 969 vehicles, Assault Value = 1926
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
613 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 22
 
 

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Raver's Crowd - 10/11/2006 10:23:14 PM   
Capt. Harlock


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ORIGINAL: Sneer


Ground combat at 29,18

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2913 troops, 24 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 1965

Defending force 168517 troops, 1468 guns, 1610 vehicles, Assault Value = 4166

Japanese max assault: 68 - adjusted assault: 5

Allied max defense: 4352 - adjusted defense: 3225

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
540 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 31

Allied ground losses:
238 casualties reported
Guns lost 11


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Ground combat at 29,18

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 139917 troops, 1314 guns, 992 vehicles, Assault Value = 4149

Defending force 86066 troops, 762 guns, 969 vehicles, Assault Value = 1926


Japanese ground losses:
613 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 22




Shock Attack doesn't look like the best option against those odds

But congrats on getting a torp into the Royal Sovereign!

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RE: Raver's Crowd - 10/12/2006 1:37:08 PM   
Raverdave


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MSW TF's - 10/12/2006 6:08:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is it that when ever a non-MSW type ship is included in a MSW task force(IJN or Allied), it eats a mine or two. Same thing has happened to me in the past. In this case the Warrego was there to provide gunfire support and would be trailing the msw's and not leading them!

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ORIGINAL: Sneer
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TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77)
 
Allied Ships
MSW Mildura
MSW Lithgow
MSW Launceton
MSW Latrobe
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Junee
MSW Horsham
MSW Glenelg
MSW Gladstone
MSW Geelong
MSW Freemantle
MSW Echuca
MSW Cowra
MSW Cootamundra
MSW Cessnock
MSW Castlemaine
MSW Bunbury
MSW Bowen
MSW Benalla
PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 



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RE: Air Losses - 10/12/2006 9:35:32 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		is is strange but 1 dms providivg safety for 10 BBs on bombardment run against 10k mines base is strange as well

balance of last days is 1dms and 1 de sunk and 2 BB lightly damaged so i can say it is ok to me


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RE: MSW TF's - 10/13/2006 12:07:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

Why is it that when ever a non-MSW type ship is included in a MSW task force(IJN or Allied), it eats a mine or two. Same thing has happened to me in the past. In this case the Warrego was there to provide gunfire support and would be trailing the msw's and not leading them!

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ORIGINAL: Sneer
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TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77)
 
Allied Ships
MSW Mildura
MSW Lithgow
MSW Launceton
MSW Latrobe
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Junee
MSW Horsham
MSW Glenelg
MSW Gladstone
MSW Geelong
MSW Freemantle
MSW Echuca
MSW Cowra
MSW Cootamundra
MSW Cessnock
MSW Castlemaine
MSW Bunbury
MSW Bowen
MSW Benalla
PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 




My own theory is that when the last mine of a minefield is swept, it the sweeping TF had something else than MSW, then its flagship will hit a mine.
So when you have a lot of small minefields, and one of your tranport TF has MSW included, the flagship of this TF is probably doomed... you will see it hitting one mine for each swept minefield (my record was 6 mines for a DD once, before I built the present theory).
With MSW only there is no problems... but you can't sweep hexs defended by CD guns...

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RE: MSW TF's - 10/13/2006 2:07:33 PM   
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RE: Air Losses - 10/13/2006 6:34:36 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		today i decides to negate allied ability to sweep my minefields at koepang

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/21/43

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Day Air attack on 14th Army, at 29,18


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


Allied aircraft losses
F-5A Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 28
Liberator VI x 8
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-25J Mitchell x 22
B-24J Liberator x 88


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 14
Port supply hits 6

Day Air attack on 35th Brigade, at 33,78


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 9
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 21


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 48th Division, at 29,18


Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 6
Thunderbolt II x 20
Vengeance I x 19
P-47D Thunderbolt x 15
A-36A Apache x 36
B-25J Mitchell x 33


Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF at 27,80

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 23

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 12 damaged


Allied Ships
MSW Mildura
MSW Castlemaine
MSW Latrobe
MSW Lithgow
MSW Bowen, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Junee, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 27,80

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 30

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied Ships
MSW Bowen, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bunbury
MSW Castlemaine
MSW Cootamundra, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Benalla
MSW Katoomba
MSW Freemantle

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Day Air attack on TF at 27,80

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 13

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 8 damaged


Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Castlemaine, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Geelong, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 27,80

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIb Nick x 21

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
MSW Horsham
MSW Lithgow
MSW Latrobe
MSW Mildura
MSW Launceton
ASW attack at 31,73

Japanese Ships
PC Takuna Maru #7
PC Kyo Maru #13
PC Kyo Maru #2
PG Chokai Maru
APD APD-46

Allied Ships
SS Mingo

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Sub attack at 31,73

Japanese Ships
PC Kyo Maru #2
PC Takuna Maru #7
PC Kyo Maru #13
PG Chokai Maru
APD APD-46

Allied Ships
SS Mingo, hits 1


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Ground combat at 29,18

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 160270 troops, 1327 guns, 982 vehicles, Assault Value = 4037

Defending force 97034 troops, 902 guns, 854 vehicles, Assault Value = 2167


Japanese ground losses:
553 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 26

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RE: Air Losses - 10/13/2006 8:42:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi boys and girls. My first post here. Since I started my pbem v. Raver this AAR has suddenly become of some intrest on my behalf. I myself being short on time to read the whole story from page 1 feel inclined to come here asking both of you for short recapitulation of events unfolded thus far. In plain english, any chance of a summary of the war so far from both pionts of view when you came around with some spare time to do it?

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RE: Air Losses - 10/13/2006 10:28:04 PM   
Sneer


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give me a minute and you will get it


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RE: Air Losses - 10/13/2006 11:03:54 PM   
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RE: Air Losses - 10/14/2006 1:10:20 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		Sneer vs Raverdave - summery and calendarium
main concept
grab PI and Malaya ASAP and move to east india to secure burma area from usual 43 allied counterattack
secondary objective on continent - knock china out of war
in the pacific - secure more or less historical perimeter line early , stop and dig in - concentrate on force preserving and

trying to defeat allied navy during counterattack in late 42/ all russia talking on forum was purely disinformation as east

india was target.

december 41
main thrust was in dei i resigned from PH attack and decided to concentrate in dei
4 Cv were used on singapore and 2 on manila / lba divided by 2 areas , cvl force hunted merchant fleet at PI /1 time zone

rule used/
POW,Repulse 20+ subs and many more smaller vessels as well as few light cruisers are sunk in early days - KB made sweep

through java sea - lots of ships in soerabaja hit and sunk /allied loose over 1000points in ships in 4 days/
malaya - main landing site at mersing secondary at khota baru , PI main at lingayen and secondary at lagespi ,
on pacific wake/ guam rabaul at first
mid dec 41 gili gili north guinea and salomons underway by snlf units as well as gilberts

clark field taken on 23rd after heavy fights as well as whole mindanao , rangoon force cut off base and rangoon taken by para

- cutting off troops was mistake - i was unaware game mechanism and lost up to 3 weeks here
singapore taken on 26th DEC - part of units designed for java and rest clear malayas , battle for changsha starts
30th dec australin cruiser force destroyed in 1st real surface battle and finished by carriers
Hong Kong , bataan and Port Moresby taken on 31th dec

january 42
RN counterattacks at rangoon - planes rebased to moulmain and Revenge and ceres sunk on next day
5th jan - batavia taken by troops from singapore - malaya almost cleared
11th yenan+ changsha taken and offensive in china takes momemntun
15th jan manila taken and luzon finished / troops resting and moving to east India as well as troops from malayas
enemy surrounded in burma as paras take both lashio and Mytikina - burma roadd closed , mandalay taken without fight after

flanking move
23th carrier raid against allied convoys in pacific , baker isl taken later raid against nomuea ,

Feb 42
again KB raids fat allied supply convoy at suva area very deep into enemy teritory / intel info
air campaign against chinase resources
7th FEB soerabaja taken
13th feb malaya cleared troops free to use
14th palemabang taken - operation to take oil centres - landing at akyab
17th invasion of east india -150k+troops in diamond harbour heavy use of paras at asanol
22th rn cvs and small KB duel - both rn cv damaged - operation of finisfing sumatra , calcutta taken - enemy withdraws
akyab falls and rest burmanese units is cut off and destroyed later - looks like I destroyed most of malayan forces and whole

burmanese
27th combined operation against southern borneo - oil centers targeted
attrition air war in east india - both sides very exhausted
east india troops withdraw orderly / brave asanol defence by 18th inf / it was never my intention to go for karachi - benares

and jamshedpur and borderline in india - action will be halted here / except air war till 11/43 /

March 42
great hunting west of java - raverdave moves all merchant and navy to Oz and i find them with part of small kb and surface

force - soon about 100 vessels is sunk in next 2 weeks
22th march 2nd cv battle RN against 2cvl - 2 rn cv damaged and retreating - meanwhile rest of small Kb underway and
on 29th they are cought almost at perth and sunk
31th invasion on timor kendari and makassar

April 42
last days of japanese offensive against lucknow
heavy air fights
15th paras raids in deep india bases
on 18th operation in east india officially finished - there will be fight over benares in next months but force preservation

doctrine will make me moving them air units away and cover ports

may 42
KB raids canton - pslmyra area - again light forces and merchant convoys caught and sunk
mid mid may ichang and homan taken
late may battle over kungchang
late may KB in raids in cen pac again -palmyra region again - again DD and transports scored
on 20th light forces raid darwin harbour

June 42
early june - canton Island taken after heavy fights - offensive in pac stopped - units and supply used to fortify everything

I have - game looses tempo
4e starts beeing more than nuisance

july 42 - sleeping :-)

August 42
few consecutive bombardment by Jpn battleline of darwin airfield

September 42 sleeping :-)

October 42 campaign in china is going to end as i move fast north of canton
kweiyang taken

November 42 - kunming taken - allied starts air offensive from northern OZ
on 17th 1st allied navy offensive operation against wake - operation was expected and in 2 days combined fleet gathers at

marcus isl area with counterstrike duty - 2 japanese fast transport TFs badly hit by allied surface forces
some allied BBs are damaged from LBA and allied invasion fleet withrdraws after i refused to strike first. enemy tries to

lure me into midway area - i refuse - end of story after weak of manouvers

december 42 enemy Slaughter with ubercap my kwajelain LBA and withdraws
on 3rd Yunan taken - both sides of burma road in my hands enemy only holds chengtu and chungking - chengtu taken soon and

siege of chungking starts
15th allied fleet raids baker isl

january 43 war continue as we decided autovictory doesn't bother us and we play till war end
enemy raids canton on 5th
17th - biggest battle this war starts -////page 21 begins ////
KB on perimeter patrol spotted allied CVE group / allied were in transport to pago pago and they were not concentrated
5 cve damaged
19th of january - KB loose cohesion 1 of 4 groups is in diffrent hex - zuiho heavily hit will sink later - 3 other CV are

moderately damaged but ... saratoga lexington and enterprise sunk in counterattack 2 fast BB damaged too
my damaged CV sent to canton and their escort was sent to pago pago to attack transport reported earlier - i thought allied

withrdaw at night...Musashi+ kongo group met almost whole allied fleet - south dakota was finished and many other units were

damaged enough to create separate TFs - they will be killed in day phase - my BB heavily damged
day phase my fighters under clouds and allied strikes my damged carriers and BBs - I finish indiana in return
weather prevented main forces on attacking each other
raverdave moved against canton big bombardment group where he expects my flooded cv and BB - caught by KB - many hits on them

and they withdraw - carriers were moved / huge risk / to makin
24 th - battle continues washigton sunk from earlier damages - wasp sunk essex and hornet damaged heavily / they will sink

later /
26th and next days - pursuit after damaged CVE BB and cruiser in palmyra direction- many sunk

february 43
on 4th of feb exhausted japanese navy hits with all BB and CA force ships at pago pago - BB sunk after that
total result 6cv + 4cve + 4 fast BB + 6 slow BB+ 3 CA + CL and many smaller units sunk in exchange of 1 cvl

March 43
elements of KB raids santa cruz area and scores on convoy
mid march - series of surface attack on allieds in northern oz area- allied victory - enemy starts concentration there
late march - little success - kb raids east of New Zealand

april 43
again light forces attack allied shipping in northern oz and radar favours allied side

may 43 i set trap on raverdave - i expected him to hunt my raiders of north oz and moved cruisers and far cover of carriers (

hiyo class) - kako and agano are hunted and than my CV enters action - however i ws too weak to finish allied cv force -

many units are significantly damaged - victorious sunk later / page 33
A2A war gets intense - both india and timor heavily attacked

june 43
again light forces battles southof timor
mereuke taken by allied - 1st base retaken !!
it will be retaken by japan few weeks later

july 43 warspite sunk by sub

august 43 - chingking take on 16th of august - troops relocate to finish 2 groups off base
on 24th thursday Isl taken by allied - and as i hide combined fleet this base is not counterattacked - fleet stays in

southern dei
allied fleet starts operation against timor

september 43 - 27th -allied cruiser forces tries to make preassure on lautem - many damaged and my surface force can't meet

them

october 43 - 22th enemy cv spotted close to bali - this time enemy has hellcats - i managed to move KB and set cap over my

returning BBs - enemy is uncoordinated and looses lots of planes for my little costs - i decided to pursue enemy as carriers

have only ap 60% of fighters and little attack planes - perfectly coordinated strike is eaten by cap and both sides exhausted
moves to bases enemy feels unbeatable and from this point enemy fleet activity around timor rises significantly - with heavy ships visiting koepang next month



< Message edited by Sneer -- 10/14/2006 1:23:43 AM >

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RE: Air Losses - 10/14/2006 1:21:03 AM   
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RE: Air Losses - 10/14/2006 1:24:13 AM   
Honda


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Status: offline 		Very nice. I didn't realize the extent of punishment Raver got in this one. That won't favor me very much, he's likely to be out for blood now

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RE: Air Losses - 10/14/2006 1:29:05 AM   
Sneer


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or you will not see him offensively moving for a long time till hellcats come


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RE: Air Losses - 10/14/2006 2:14:40 AM   
Honda


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Status: offline 		Oh he's thirsty all right. I didn't even give orders to go to war he was steaming with an invasion fleet for Wake ven went for Marcus. I'm still crying over the 8000 supply lost there...I mean, I did retake it, 5000 prisoners and all, but 8000 supply! Bah, enough of that, this is your AAR, wouldn't want to impose
Good hunting to both of you

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RE: MSW TF's - 10/14/2006 4:28:45 AM   
Ron Saueracker


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ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

Why is it that when ever a non-MSW type ship is included in a MSW task force(IJN or Allied), it eats a mine or two. Same thing has happened to me in the past. In this case the Warrego was there to provide gunfire support and would be trailing the msw's and not leading them!

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ORIGINAL: Sneer
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TF 1138 encounters mine field at Koepang (28,77)
 
Allied Ships
MSW Mildura
MSW Lithgow
MSW Launceton
MSW Latrobe
MSW Katoomba
MSW Kapunda
MSW Junee
MSW Horsham
MSW Glenelg
MSW Gladstone
MSW Geelong
MSW Freemantle
MSW Echuca
MSW Cowra
MSW Cootamundra
MSW Cessnock
MSW Castlemaine
MSW Bunbury
MSW Bowen
MSW Benalla
PG Warrego, Mine hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 




My own theory is that when the last mine of a minefield is swept, it the sweeping TF had something else than MSW, then its flagship will hit a mine.
So when you have a lot of small minefields, and one of your tranport TF has MSW included, the flagship of this TF is probably doomed... you will see it hitting one mine for each swept minefield (my record was 6 mines for a DD once, before I built the present theory).
With MSW only there is no problems... but you can't sweep hexs defended by CD guns...


I've seen this enough to start wondering myself. Something else for the patch gawds perhaps.

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Summary of the war - 10/14/2006 6:44:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		1941:- Got my arse kicked

1942:- Got my arse kicked again

1943:- Got my arse kick yet again.

1944:- Just about to start kicking Sneer's arse

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RE: Summary of the war - 10/14/2006 7:51:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raverdave

1941:- Got my arse kicked

1942:- Got my arse kicked again

1943:- Got my arse kick yet again.

1944:- Just about to start kicking Sneer's arse




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