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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 10:33:28 AM   
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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 11:24:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that I have found one potential solution.

From the attached image, the original ViCond specified only ONE specific unit as eligible to fulfill the ViCond and you needed to destroy 10 such units. Obviously, this is an impossibility .

The solution I propose is to replace the ViCond from specifying a particular unit with a ViCond that looks for a Class of ships to destroy, in this case, the Armed Junk.

I have tested this ViCond 3 times and it has tripped correctly on every occasion. I do not believe that this particular ANW ViCond is a problem with the Game Engine. However, I cannot be certain since you did report that the ViCond evaluated properly on one of your test runs. The ViCond Never triggered correctly during any of my game sessions so there may be some truth to your claim that the ANW ViConds are 'twitchy', but I am unable to confirm your findings.

The scenario has been sent and I hope that it works for you.




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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 12:03:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice idea Herman, its seems pretty wierd that unit and class named the same dont trigger the VC what do you think, thanks for the fresh pair of eyes looking at it

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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 12:10:24 PM   
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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 12:29:28 PM   
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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 7:39:06 PM   
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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/16/2006 8:20:37 PM   
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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/17/2006 12:07:37 AM   
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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/17/2006 10:53:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Vince, not going to oblige your desire for yet another flamewar. Try a better bait next time.


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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/17/2006 11:55:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, so we will note down that your official stance is not helping in promoting and improving other Harpoon's sites and initiatives - with cross-links, support and mutual respect - to all the community's benefit. Thank you for your contribution

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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/17/2006 12:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been through the whole field already, Vince. Nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Past the curve, and not much to worry about. Note down what you will. You try to make us look bad, give it your best shot. See if we care. See if anyone does.


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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/18/2006 12:56:10 PM   
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Note down what you will.


That's doesn't need permission, but thanks anyway.


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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/18/2006 7:58:20 PM   
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OK, so we will note down that your official stance is not helping in promoting and improving other Harpoon's sites and initiatives - with cross-links, support and mutual respect - to all the community's benefit. Thank you for your contribution


No offense Vince but don't quite take the hobby that seriously. Its just a hobby brother. Personally don't have the time to crosspost everywhere and carry on with the fictional politics of a game culture Although I'll admit at being somewhat amused these days at the sorry folks that do regardless of the particular flag they're carrying Go have some fun man...its just a game


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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/20/2006 12:15:26 AM   
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..to offer to help without having to be asked is class


Be careful not to get any of that "Class" on your shoes, Vince.

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RE: Colonial Wars 1950-64 Database - 10/20/2006 2:11:39 AM   
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New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/20/2006 4:13:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another great scenario from Mike using the Colonial Wars Database
Which can be found at
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By: MM


Background:

The late 50's was a remarkable period of Cold War naval history. Most nations had rebuilt and whole new classes of warships began entering the fleets with improved propulsions, radar and fire control systems. All of this was done under the context of another coming World War pitting the Western powers versus the Soviet Union.

One of the more remarkable classes of warship was the Soviet Sverdlov class Cruiser. It boasted a formidable gun armament, modern radars and an auxiliary propulsion system giving improved speed and manueverabilty over its Western counterparts. So important was discovering the secrets of this class of vessel that Western intellgence agencies invested heavily in cladestine operations to learn more about it (including the loss of the famed RN diver Lionel "Buster" Crabbe).It was truly a class of warships to be reckoned with.

This scenario is pits a typical Soviet SAG against a typical NATO formation operating off coastal Norway in 1958. Who will prevail?

This is a 1-2 ASuW,ASW scenario with a duration of 8 hours.

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Severniy Flot

Sitrep:

NATO forces continue to establish bases and areas of operation further North in the Norwegian Sea. Its only a matter of time before they begin to breach our Northern frontiers. We must exhibit a decisive show of force to curtail capitalist forces from moving farther north.

Orders:

Using the forces at your disposal you are to successfully engage Western naval forces exercising off the Norwegian coast with minimal loss to your own forces.

Intelligence:

Intelligence assets have a British surface action group and Norwegian coastal forces exercising near Narvik. Composition is reported as several new Norwegian motor torpedo boats, two British destroyers and one elderly gun cruiser. Submarine activity is unknown. Air activity is light with Norwegian F-84's and F-86's operating out of Andoya and Bodo airfields. Norwegian PBY's are expected to be operating in the region as well.

Good Luck!

Clarification of Victory Conditions:

Destroy 4 Nato Ships
Protect 2 of your own
Protect the Sverdlov

NATO

Sitrep:

NATO forces continue to work up as the Soviet Fleet seems to be getting bolder and bolder expanding into areas of operations further south into the Norwegian Sea. Norway has become increasing important as its clearly an important objectives if they Soviets choose to attack West.US and UK forces have begun developing considerable plans for Norway's defense and that includes embarking on regular exercises with Norwegian coastal defense forces.

You are currently off Narvik working up with several escorts, HMS Tiptoe and some new Norwegian motor torpedo boats. All seems to be going well until your ESM sets detect an emission to your north west.

Orders:

As per standing orders you are to investigate the contact and position your forces to defend against a possible Soviet naval attack. In the event of an attack you are to destroy enemy forces with minimal loss. You may not fire until fired upon.

Intelligence:

You have no specific intelligence on what might be out there other than knowing that the Soviets have been typically been dispatching surface action group south which are composed of a cruiser and several destroyers. Submarine activity is unknown. Air activity is unknown but expected to light given the geographic location of Narvik.

Good Luck!

Clarification of Victory Conditions
Destroy 3 ships
Protect 3 ships
Protect HMS Bermuda



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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 3:48:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ran the scenario through and achieved ViConds without any problems.

However, I did notice that some of the magazines appear to have a mis-match with ammunition types. The DD Skoryy-class appears to have an ammunition type that cannot be loaded on any of the guns.

Also, I dropped depth charges and was unable to re-load from the magazines. I think that the type of depth charge in the magazine is meant for aerial delivery.

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 4:48:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the input Herman I'm sure Paul appreciates it and thank you for the AAR on my scenario. Its always great when guys enjoy stuff.

Oh Flanker posted an AAR here





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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 5:53:37 AM   
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Also, I dropped depth charges and was unable to re-load from the magazines. I think that the type of depth charge in the magazine is meant for aerial delivery.


Dug a little deeper. It looks like the magazine is loaded aerial depth charges and will affect quite a few ships since they cannot re-load their racks from it, either.


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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 6:03:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah read it the first time but no big deal Herman. Guys I trust to be in it for the fun got a stab at it.  Fixes will be in when I gots the time Right now going out to bar hop for abit. Whats your friday night look like

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 8:09:58 AM   
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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 9:50:27 AM   
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Man Sirius is such a f'up. Don't know what I was thinkin. I think I'll never use his database again and instead use Herman's....Muhahahahahahahaa.......ahhhhhh <--sarcasm I think

Herman..put those pants on, get out of that computre and go out and have some fun. That junk ain't cool holmes

Now off to bed with me! Some reason I think aerial dropped depth charges will be making an guest appearance in dreamland tonight! Lindsey and Paris are gonna be soo pissed. Yep!

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 10:17:01 AM   
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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 11:29:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like I'll have to get these trousers washed, again, after all the 'class' that's been splattered on them.

I think that I like the Japanese pronunciation of it better -- "Rots and rots of crass".

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 1:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another day,and yet another negative post from Herman. Now there's something I didn't anticipate.
Wheres the Herman that keeps typing "welcome aboard shipmate" gone to?
Am not so certain I prefer that version mind, but running yet another anti Harpoon HQ campaign gets boring after a while.

As I seemed to mention in my previous post,it would be nice if some of your time was devoted to work to further the game,rather than pour scorn on those who actually contribute. No wonder ,when I suggested a long time ago that we adopt a compromise solution this was refused by you. Your intent is clear to the entire community. Your idea of a contribution is simply to hijack any thread that isn't loaded with SZO spin and find anything negative in it.

To those of us who have witnessed your behaviour through countless forums, its an act that wears somewhat thin . As has been pointed out, we don't see the same behaviour reciprocated. Scenarios hosted by you are not rubbished across multiple forums and accusations put to you are restricted to fact ( the plagiarism for instance ).

The sad thing is, if the same effort was put into writing and testing your own scenarios people would have a lot more respect for you. I tend to take a pretty relaxed attitude to databases and scenarios ,and play and support a number. I've gladly tested scenarios for many and always try to give fair feedback as you'll be aware. Your aim always seems to be to crowd out any posters and rubbish contributions other than your own. The result is always the same. On those forums where you are not banned you rapidly move towards being the only contributor, with little discussion or traffic. I assume this is your hope for this forum, and that anyone notifying of a scenario can expect to receive the standard Herman response. Where you can even be bothered to write up an AAR you tend to be negative about it. ( And do not even have the courtesy of notifying the author )

I really don't get what the point of these is. I assume you feel that once you are the only person writing on a forum, that you have reached the top in some way? Perhaps thats what you mean by SZO being #1 choice of the Harpoon Community? It certainly isn't by any other definition. The strange thing is, most people could forgive such spin being put on your sites. Its pretty natural for you to want to raise the profile of them. What none of us understand is why you have to hijack any thread other than an SZO one, and make it as negative as you possibly can.

Vince asked for help in promoting your sites etc. If you'd only drop the moaning about everyone elses work that'd be a big start. It has to have an effect on the players database and scenarios, that might be one reason why there are relatively few downloads from your sites. If you were prepared to give reasonable feedback , you would probably be viewed in a different light.

Of course , as with all the posts put to you previously along these lines, you ignore them and carry on posting in the exact same way.

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 2:19:00 PM   
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t would be nice if some of your time was devoted to work to further the game,rather than pour scorn on those who actually contribute.


I totally agree with this - and one can only hope that it will happen with your messages, someday.

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 2:56:47 PM   
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I don't normally get involved in this sort of discussion. Do want to register that Herman has been very helpfull in testing my latest scenario's and in creating custom platforms and other DB adjustments so my scens run.

As several authors have pointed out these flame wars are pretty silly and can be off-putting for new players. They certainly seem to have lead to let me say ' less cooperation between all super-users' in supporting testing and debugging of ANW; as well as generally fewer new scens being published than say last year for all DBs. I myself notice I've published fewer scens than last year partly due to time spent testing 3.7.0 and 3.7.1 but lately on testing to transform 3.6 scens to 3.7 and to create some new scens for 3.7.  If these players (including me) continued to no like each other but still built on each other work to get reports and issues for the ANW testing team than the gameplay would improve immeasurably. We have a hard job to do to make all scens playable in 3.7 ANW and to help AGSO/Matrix to continue to debug.

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By the way all feedback including criticism on just launched UNIFIL is welcome. It was a tough scen to make and I only had one tester.......


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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 4:08:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see no problem with Herman supporting you Freek, after all your scenarios are hosted with him, I'd not really expect him to do anything else.

You mentioned your recent scenario, I don't recall anyone from HHQ or anywhere else for that matter posting its flaws or any problems experienced with it. Yet the same does not hold true for any scenario posted by Harpoon Headquarters.

I don't even take issue with Herman posting his thoughts on other matters. I agree with him on certain bugs and have said so. When scenarios have been sent to me from or via him I have provided feedback. At no stage did I post only negative dismissive comments on them. I don't think it is too much to ask for that to be reciprocated.

If the only thing that you can post about a scenario is any minor negative item you found, then at the very least it devalues your post. My previous suggestion was to keep threads separate and for Herman not to hijack every HHQ post. It seemed a reasonable solution,and still does in my view.

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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 7:09:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bah...Political speeches in a game culture...GAY!. Who cares really

I build scenarios to have fun and thats it. I could really care less what Herman thinks. Last night that chump was just giving Paul a hard time. If he was really serious he'd email him not post all over the matrix list hoping that somebody reads it and starts hatin...like I said their are alot cooler ways to spend your Friday night. If he can't ease up at least focus on something positive.

Anyways..yack on guys.





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RE: New Scenario for Colonial Wars DB Cold War Games - 10/21/2006 7:14:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta


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ORIGINAL: Flankerk
It would be nice if some of your time was devoted to work to further the game,rather than pour scorn on those who actually contribute.


I totally agree with this - and one can only hope that it will happen with your messages, someday.


I guess you'll just have to wait for it to happen on another day, Vincenzo.

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