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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/23/2006 1:32:24 AM

pak19652002

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Have you considered embedding a photo in each description, if applicable? When I read "distinctive silhouette", I got curious what this thing looked like.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/23/2006 2:26:54 AM

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Have you considered embedding a photo in each description, if applicable? When I read "distinctive silhouette", I got curious what this thing looked like.

Copyrights are a concern.

I might come back to this when I get to adding video. But not now. Matrix has some stuff that we can add in without the copyright concern.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/23/2006 2:44:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: pak19652002

Have you considered embedding a photo in each description, if applicable? When I read "distinctive silhouette", I got curious what this thing looked like.

Then Gary sure succeded with his task! Catching the interest of the readers

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/23/2006 7:08:06 PM

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I take on board Froonp's comment regarding abbreviations. It is so easy to fall into using them. Thanks for the kind words guys.

Gary

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 5:12:38 PM

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If the danish army hasnt been done yet ...then I would like to volunteer??

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 6:18:32 PM

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If the danish army hasnt been done yet ...then I would like to volunteer??

All of it?!?!

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 6:20:06 PM

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If the danish army hasnt been done yet ...then I would like to volunteer??

On a more serious note you could send me the write-ups for the 2 (?) units and I will format them for you. Please use a similar style to the one I have used for the German units if possible.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 6:46:15 PM

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they have TWO?!?!? ...didnt figure it would be THAT MUCH WORK!

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 6:50:04 PM

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on a more serious note...I think minor power unit desciption will have to be a bit different that MP ...I mean the danish army didnt see all that much action and certainly never as a unified corps as such ...so I was more like thinking to give a general desription of the condition of the danish army and what happened on 9th of april 1940 ....or what do you think??

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 7:21:31 PM

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on a more serious note...I think minor power unit desciption will have to be a bit different that MP ...I mean the danish army didnt see all that much action and certainly never as a unified corps as such ...so I was more like thinking to give a general desription of the condition of the danish army and what happened on 9th of april 1940 ....or what do you think??

I like it.
Moreover, in the case of the Danish army, this Reserve MIL corps IS the Danish Army, so describing the Danish Army of April 1940 pretty much describes the MIL reserve corps, isn't it ?

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 8:03:18 PM

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I could do the same for the Swedish army. Writing a general text on how it was organised and enlarged during the war if that would help. However writing anything accurate about any corps sized units will probably not be easy since they didn't exist as such in Sweden during that time to my knowledge. But if someone could send me a list of ingame Swedish units I could give it a try. My guess is that the units changed a bit since I played WiF back in the early 90s.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 8:15:30 PM

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I could do the same for the Swedish army. Writing a general text on how it was organised and enlarged during the war if that would help. However writing anything accurate about any corps sized units will probably not be easy since they didn't exist as such in Sweden during that time to my knowledge. But if someone could send me a list of ingame Swedish units I could give it a try. My guess is that the units changed a bit since I played WiF back in the early 90s.

I was already thinking of doing the Swedish

(I am a swede too)

Heja Sverige!

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 8:16:23 PM

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on a more serious note...I think minor power unit desciption will have to be a bit different that MP ...I mean the danish army didnt see all that much action and certainly never as a unified corps as such ...so I was more like thinking to give a general desription of the condition of the danish army and what happened on 9th of april 1940 ....or what do you think??

Yeah probably you are right. That would probably be the best way to go about it.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 8:26:24 PM

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I could do the same for the Swedish army. Writing a general text on how it was organised and enlarged during the war if that would help. However writing anything accurate about any corps sized units will probably not be easy since they didn't exist as such in Sweden during that time to my knowledge. But if someone could send me a list of ingame Swedish units I could give it a try. My guess is that the units changed a bit since I played WiF back in the early 90s.

I was already thinking of doing the Swedish (I am a swede too)

Heja Sverige!

How about one of you does the first draft and the other reviews and improves? It would be nice if the content could be spread out over the different units, rather than a long writeup that is duplicated for each unit. By the way, the HQ unit is already done.

================
[2686][Gustav V]
.T Aged 81 in 1939, King Gustaf V (Oscar Gustaf Adolf) of Sweden succeeded his father to the
Swedish Throne in December 1907. He was
sympathetic towards Germany through two world wars and since the Swedish model of
government permitted a greater involvement of the
King in determining policy than England or the USA, there was a possibility that Sweden could
have been induced to join the Central
Powers in 1914 or the Axis in 1939.

.P Even though Sweden maintained its neutrality through both World Wars, it did occasionally
assist
the Germans by permitting supplies and troops to move across Sweden into Norway and Finland.
The 7,000 ton Swedish battleship Gustav V
was named in his honor and served in the Swedish Navy from 1921 to 1957 and was finally
scrapped in 1970. King Gustav died in 1950.
================

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 8:29:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: capitan

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ORIGINAL: Toed
I could do the same for the Swedish army. Writing a general text on how it was organised and enlarged during the war if that would help. However writing anything accurate about any corps sized units will probably not be easy since they didn't exist as such in Sweden during that time to my knowledge. But if someone could send me a list of ingame Swedish units I could give it a try. My guess is that the units changed a bit since I played WiF back in the early 90s.

I was already thinking of doing the Swedish (I am a swede too)

Heja Sverige!

How about one of you does the first draft and the other reviews and improves? It would be nice if the content could be spread out over the different units, rather than a long writeup that is duplicated for each unit. By the way, the HQ unit is already done.

================
[2686][Gustav V]
.T Aged 81 in 1939, King Gustaf V (Oscar Gustaf Adolf) of Sweden succeeded his father to the
Swedish Throne in December 1907. He was
sympathetic towards Germany through two world wars and since the Swedish model of
government permitted a greater involvement of the
King in determining policy than England or the USA, there was a possibility that Sweden could
have been induced to join the Central
Powers in 1914 or the Axis in 1939.

.P Even though Sweden maintained its neutrality through both World Wars, it did occasionally
assist
the Germans by permitting supplies and troops to move across Sweden into Norway and Finland.
The 7,000 ton Swedish battleship Gustav V
was named in his honor and served in the Swedish Navy from 1921 to 1957 and was finally
scrapped in 1970. King Gustav died in 1950.
================

I don't mind if Toed does the research. There is enough units for everyone :-) I would love to help with a review though.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 10:26:15 PM

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since the Swedish model of
government permitted a greater involvement of the
King in determining policy than England or the USA

I was not aware that the US had a king?!?

quote:

The 7,000 ton Swedish battleship Gustav V
was named in his honor and served in the Swedish Navy from 1921 to 1957 and was finally
scrapped in 1970. King Gustav died in 1950.

Im in the process of writing the notes on the Swedish navy ...and technically the Gustav V was NOT a battleship ...the english designation (which I also use in my description) is coastal defence ship ...(or also referred to as coastal battleship). Now I dont mind changing the designation, but the same should then be done with most of the other swedish, danish and dutch ships of this type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverige_class_battleship

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/24/2006 10:56:12 PM

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But if someone could send me a list of ingame Swedish units I could give it a try. My guess is that the units changed a bit since I played WiF back in the early 90s.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 12:06:01 PM

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Status report on the German units:

* All INF done
* All HQs done

Remaining work:
* 3 CAV
* 4 PARA
* 2 MAR
* 4 MTN
* 2 ENG
* 13 MIL
* 9 GARR
* 12 MOT
* 8 MECH
* 10 ARM

67 writeups to go! That means that about 40% are done. Right now I think the militia will be the hardest as I cannot find any good information on them (at all really). Anyone have some ideas?

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 2:31:34 PM

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I sympathise capitan - I also can't find much on the Japanese militias other than they existed. Also the ficticious units (motor and mech inf) are a bit of a mystery as well. I've got a reasonable amount of information on most of the japanese armies but it doesn't come close to the information you have been able to collect for the Germans. Still waiting on books to come out of storage.

How do we intend to approach divisions? treat them as generics or find out about their numbered equivalent?

Haz.
PS anyone know what LG stands for on one of the Japanese marine units? I've looked and have drawn a blank

i'll probably kick myself later.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 2:50:31 PM

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Just tried to see if I could find something on the "LG" for you ...found this page about the Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces ...the SNLF ...maybe you can use it if you havent already found it yourself:

http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/SNLF.html

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 5:22:45 PM

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PS anyone know what LG stands for on one of the Japanese marine units? I've looked and have drawn a blank i'll probably kick myself later.

Lucky Goldstar?

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 5:40:26 PM

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I sympathise capitan - I also can't find much on the Japanese militias other than they existed. Also the ficticious units (motor and mech inf) are a bit of a mystery as well. I've got a reasonable amount of information on most of the japanese armies but it doesn't come close to the information you have been able to collect for the Germans. Still waiting on books to come out of storage.

How do we intend to approach divisions? treat them as generics or find out about their numbered equivalent?

Haz.
PS anyone know what LG stands for on one of the Japanese marine units? I've looked and have drawn a blank i'll probably kick myself later.

I just spent 20 minutes trying to find out what LG means but I had no luck. There is a lot of good information on other things though.

My thinking of LG is that it is a marine corps that was not part of SNLF maybe? Maybe it is something similar to the Imperial Guard. Lucky Guard?

Well anyway, I am sure someone has asked the question on the WIF-webring. Go have a look there.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 6:53:18 PM

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I was even investigating weather it might be some sort of romannumeral like 50.guards or 50.something-else-marinesomething ....no luck so far.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 7:56:15 PM

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LG? A pure guess would be Landing Group.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 9:28:17 PM

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I wouldn't bother trying to do write-ups on the MIL units...they are part of the design of Final Edition. They are generic units that represent each country's replacement and recruitment systems...you can rush your new recruiting classes into the army or you can spend a little bit more time on their training, i.e. you can build MIL or INF, your choice. They also represent 'Reserve' units that would be activated upon mobilization, particularly for the minor countries. In real life these units would have actual numerical designations, but the research to discover all of these would be rather daunting.

I also think you may have problems trying to do a counter-by-counter writeup of the Russian units. The MECH and ARM units are just numbered sequentially; the first one to appear in the force pool as a white-print becomes the first one designated a 'Guards' unit. I think in real life those designations were earned in combat for a unit that performed well ... it would keep it's original number with the Guards label appended to it. In WiF there are also no "Shock" armies that became the biggest and best Soviet units by the end of the war. The GBA designations are also simply sequential. The initial black-print INF units (and GARR units, requiring another explanation of the WiF design for this type of unit) do use historical designations, so the 62nd Army that initially held the core of Stalingrad is a WiF counter. Another example is the 23rd Army, which held the front northwest of Leningrad. In WiF that is a 3-1 GARR.

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 10:35:55 PM

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Status report on the German units:

* All INF done
* All HQs done

Just to reiterate a point made earlier for anyone who missed it.

All HQ units have already been done for all countries. Revisions and suggestions are welcome (as Toed has already done for Gustav V). Please send them direct to me via PM

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 11:31:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

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ORIGINAL: capitan

Status report on the German units:

* All INF done
* All HQs done

Just to reiterate a point made earlier for anyone who missed it.

All HQ units have already been done for all countries. Revisions and suggestions are welcome (as Toed has already done for Gustav V). Please send them direct to me via PM

Oops, I hope it did not look like I did them

It was not my intention anyway ;)

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 11:49:19 PM

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I wouldn't bother trying to do write-ups on the MIL units...they are part of the design of Final Edition. They are generic units that represent each country's replacement and recruitment systems...you can rush your new recruiting classes into the army or you can spend a little bit more time on their training, i.e. you can build MIL or INF, your choice. They also represent 'Reserve' units that would be activated upon mobilization, particularly for the minor countries. In real life these units would have actual numerical designations, but the research to discover all of these would be rather daunting.

I also think you may have problems trying to do a counter-by-counter writeup of the Russian units. The MECH and ARM units are just numbered sequentially; the first one to appear in the force pool as a white-print becomes the first one designated a 'Guards' unit. I think in real life those designations were earned in combat for a unit that performed well ... it would keep it's original number with the Guards label appended to it. In WiF there are also no "Shock" armies that became the biggest and best Soviet units by the end of the war. The GBA designations are also simply sequential. The initial black-print INF units (and GARR units, requiring another explanation of the WiF design for this type of unit) do use historical designations, so the 62nd Army that initially held the core of Stalingrad is a WiF counter. Another example is the 23rd Army, which held the front northwest of Leningrad. In WiF that is a 3-1 GARR.

Very interesting! I did not know that about the Russian army and that was good information to have before going to search for it. Where did you get this information?

However, I do feel that each unit need to, if at all possible, have it�s own feel. In my opinion we should try and avoid too much generic stuff, it is not so much fun and interesting to read and hence counterproductive.

When we get to the Russians we will have to see what we can do with them

As for the militia I will maybe see if I can find something about local Landwehr divisions. That could serve well for this rabble of a unit

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/25/2006 11:53:07 PM

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LG? A pure guess would be Landing Group.

A suggestion on the WIF discussion list was Life Guards

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RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups - 10/26/2006 12:45:53 AM

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LG? A pure guess would be Landing Group.

A suggestion on the WIF discussion list was Life Guards

I looked in a couple of books, and I only found something about the Luzon 'Shobu' Group (LG), led by Yamashita in 1944-45 (152,000 men). I don't think that the LG MAR is that unit.
I found no reference in japanese naval landing units to some "LG" kind of troops.

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