anvl
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DiT,,
With all due respect,, i just don't know what you mean here,,,
"Hmmm.... I wasn't asking for references as a matter of 'go look yourself'... rather a matter of those making assertions matter of factly (and particularly when contradicting others)... backing up their assertions... for those that WANT to follow up on them."
the best i can say is that perhaps there is a definition of terms needed. Line infantry at this time was not trained to be or operate as light infantry. Light infantry was not used to any degree during the SYW. There were a few units in the prussian army,and the Austrians had the Grenzers and a few other light units, but they were not highly thought of and were new in the evolution of infantry and tactics.
You have created a no win situation here,, with all due respect... If i make a statement contrary to you,, all i can do is either make this statement or give you a list of sources to back up what i say,,and hopefully, give you something to go look into. If you dont have the book i mention,,and i name a page,, sheesh,, what difference does it make if you don't go check it out?
If you are asking how Line infantry at this time moves thru a town,, or crosses an obstical, then in my rules,,and in this game,, i believe, the line unit does not change to light formation,,ie open order,,because they were not trained to do this. In my rules,,and this game, they become disordered, but remain in line. the scale of the game here is not really suited to have them do anything else.
If line infantry is to occupy a village, then in my rules,,and in this game i believe, they remain as line infantry and are disordered as above,,but they have the defensive modifiers given by the buildings.
light troops, irregular troops or grenz as an example, operate in open order or skirmish order in my rules,,and in this game. If they enter a village and tend to occupy it, they remain in open order and do not become disrupted whilst defending a village or other terrain features. bercause they are in open order or skirmish order, fewer troops are in the village compared to line,, this is one of the tradeoff between the two. I believe its the same in this game.
But i have to stress,, during this timeperiod,, line for all practical purposes was not in any way trained to act or operate as light infantry as was done during the time of Nappy. they do not change to open order or skirmish order to cross obsticals of any type,, they can form road column or column and line but thats about it.
Light infantry at this time was not usually put into close order line, as they were not,,according to the thoughts of the times,, disciplined enough to handle this formation, so they were used on the flanks of the army,,not put into the front in a skirmish type formation as was done durint the time of Nappy. The way this is handled in most rules of the time,,if it is allowed, is to make sure that they are fragile enough so that if put into line,,they will break and run before being of any use. OTH,, if left in open order\skirmish order,,they are not so fragile,and can serve the purpose of the era... to screen the flanks,,hold buildings,and operate in rough terrain.
hope this answers your questions,,
Google has a great service btw,, you can go to their site,,and search for old out of print books and down load them in pdf format.
http://books.google.com/bkshp?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wp&q=
select full view books,and search for what you want.
It is a great on line library of very hard to come by sources
the only other thing i can say, is man,, ya gots to do the work,, or ya gots to accept what others say,, at least i list sources for you to check out,, much better than,,"I read it somewhere" or referring it to an HPS game, or "maby i read it from FtG" sorry for the paraphrase.
anvil
< Message edited by anvl -- 2/3/2007 8:00:38 PM >
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