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RE: Singapore besieged - 12/12/2006 12:07:11 AM

Andy Mac

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/04/44

Ground combat at Singapore

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 155840 troops, 1143 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 3026

Defending force 49373 troops, 323 guns, 100 vehicles, Assault Value = 808

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied max assault: 4912 - adjusted assault: 4079

Japanese max defense: 742 - adjusted defense: 1113

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Japanese ground losses:
3425 casualties reported
Guns lost 54
Vehicles lost 17

Allied ground losses:
2276 casualties reported
Guns lost 56
Vehicles lost 31

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RE: Singapore besieged - 12/12/2006 12:08:30 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/05/44

A long hard fight but the end is in sight Singapore will be liberated by Australian troops and tanks tomorrow - the final push for the airbase is underway !!!

Ground combat at Singapore

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 153302 troops, 1070 guns, 988 vehicles, Assault Value = 2848

Defending force 44701 troops, 252 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 717

Allied max assault: 4604 - adjusted assault: 4536

Japanese max defense: 634 - adjusted defense: 1076

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Japanese ground losses:
2583 casualties reported
Guns lost 35
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
2535 casualties reported
Guns lost 30
Vehicles lost 25

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RE: Singapore besieged - 12/12/2006 1:42:02 AM

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This is great!!

However, I am waiting for my early Christmas present...the launching of Operation: Yellow.

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Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 12:20:26 AM

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Singapore is MINE !!!!

All MINE !!!!

OPeration Yellow about 7 days from Loading

I would like to get PZB firmly focussed West 1st

Ground combat at Singapore

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 153734 troops, 1033 guns, 976 vehicles, Assault Value = 2703

Defending force 41201 troops, 224 guns, 80 vehicles, Assault Value = 668

Allied max assault: 4404 - adjusted assault: 3839

Japanese max defense: 600 - adjusted defense: 591

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Singapore base !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Japanese ground losses:
2425 casualties reported
Guns lost 53
Vehicles lost 16

Allied ground losses:
1396 casualties reported
Guns lost 27
Vehicles lost 19

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 12:21:38 AM

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Going to rest a few days then finish off the defenders

Andy

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/07/44

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ASW attack at 58,64

Japanese Ships
MSW W.8
PC Ch 12
PG Shosei Maru
PG Shinko Maru #1
PC PC-2

Allied Ships
SS Tinosa

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ASW attack at 38,52

Japanese Ships
PC PC-144
PC PC-68
PC PC-64
PC PC-63
PC PC-41
PC Hiburi
PC Chiburi

Allied Ships
SS KXVI, hits 28, on fire, heavy damage

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ASW attack at 34,52

Japanese Ships
AK Saigon Maru
MSW Wa 15
MSW Wa 8
PC PC-14

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 47
J1N1-S Irving x 34
C6N1-S Myrt x 26
D4Y Judy x 9
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 30

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 74

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
26 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
43 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
34 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
4 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 135
J2M Jack x 96
D4Y Judy x 73
G4M2 Betty x 49
P1Y Frances x 6
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 72
Ki-102a Randy x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 161

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
27 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
24 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
11 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
11 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
32 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
32 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
32 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
22 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
36 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
18 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
31 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
9 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
9 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
10 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
12 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
10 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
9 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
7 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
12 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
4 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
4 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
2 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
2 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 27
B6N Jill x 27
P1Y Frances x 53
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 141
Ki-67 Peggy x 26
Ki-46-III Dinah x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 169

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
11 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 15000 feet
24 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
24 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
24 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
11 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
15 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
18 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 15000 feet
7 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
6 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
6 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
6 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
Spitfire VIII x 5

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 10
PB4Y Liberator x 6

No Allied losses

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 10
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 20

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 63

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 21
F6F-5N Hellcat x 14
Hurricane II x 12
Kittyhawk III x 21

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 7th Engineer Regiment, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 20
P-40N Warhawk x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
14 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
11 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 43,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 18
B7A Grace x 42
Ki-102a Randy x 7

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
18 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 100
TBM Avenger x 43
Boomerang II x 7
Spitfire VIII x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Boomerang II bombing at 2000 feet
51 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
43 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
49 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 6
TBM Avenger x 24
P-38J Lightning x 16
B-25J Mitchell x 37

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
13 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 28
F4U-1D Corsair x 13
TBM Avenger x 4
Beaufighter VIC x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
13 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 42

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th/B Division, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
TBM Avenger x 8
P-38J Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 33

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
145 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
20 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kure 2nd SNLF, at 23,44

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
Beaufighter VIC x 14
P-40N Warhawk x 54
B-25J Mitchell x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
54 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 9
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 19
Ki-102a Randy x 20

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 21
B-25J Mitchell x 44

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Pacific Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Olympia Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Penang Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuala Lumpur at 23,46

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48 Lily x 19

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 31
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
Beaufighter VIC x 1
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 1
P-40N Warhawk x 32
P-38J Lightning x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 19 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 2 damaged

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Ground combat at Singapore

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 151654 troops, 993 guns, 957 vehicles, Assault Value = 2612

Defending force 33724 troops, 94 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 561

Allied max assault: 4254 - adjusted assault: 6550

Japanese max defense: 422 - adjusted defense: 395

Allied assault odds: 16 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
4327 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
1373 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Vehicles lost 16

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 1:05:35 AM

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OK after Australian Troops and a few Kiwis under the command of General Lavarack and Blamey restored the honour of the British Empire by recapturing Singapore its time to turn to next steps.

1. I am going to secure a few bases on northern Sumatra mostly because I can and It will give me a little oil to fuel up Singapore industry.

I will also begin a slow conquest of Palemabang as an advanded fuel source it could be usefull and will further secure convoy routes into Malaya.

Minimal forces will be required for this.

2. Northern Borneo will be attacked by US Forces operating out of Malaya I want to keep the bulk of the highly experienced elite Kiwi and Australian troops for the assault on INDIA - not only are they retaking the Ashes <GITS - what were England playing at on the last day - MORONS> they are going to retake India for the honour of the British Empire

So a diverging of the ways US Forces will head SW towards Japan diverting attention from Operatioon Yellow.

My Australian, NZ, British, Dutch forces will get ready for the re conquest of India ---- its time for payback !!!!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 4:22:41 AM

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I think the re-conquest of India is what is called reverse engineering.

This will be a first in WitP history.

Northern Sumatra and then Andamann Island will be the first steps on the road back. This will be fun to watch!!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 9:07:37 AM

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Congratulations, but
Andy, don�t overdo,please. If you really want to go after India you should only take Ceylon and the Andamans. This will give you the bases to use your LBA to suppoert you.
PzB will have some divisions in India and there are level 9 forts everywhere for sure.
Please remember India is only the strawman, you want to push right into the heart of the Japanese inner circle of defence.
On the other hand India is a good theater of war because you have all those divisions there and all the LBA you willnot be able to use somewhere else, so go for it, but slowly!
If I were PzB I�d have some real nasty defenses at Bangkog and Saigon.adittionally Rangoon would be a superfortess. All important bases would have a fortlevel of 9 and at least a divisionequivalent (Chinese Army divisions)

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 9:21:26 AM

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Now that you have Singapore and a huge bse with some supplies, you can start using your LBA (and superfots) to reduce everything thin range to dust and then advance your armies out as well. I'd imagine that a sustained air campaign against Borneo, northern Malyia and Palemabang and the Andamann's would keep his attention firmly on the west. Plus you have a while to conquer India, setting up your airforces should not be a problem--I defintely think the minimal stragtegy is the right one for now. Local ground forces and all the air that you can spare! There is nothing like a dozen air attacks a turn to concentrate PzB's attention on malaysia and the vicinity while the hammer waits to fall in the east.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 12:37:53 PM

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OK Guys relax I am not going to go charging into India half cocked.

My Divisions need rest and supply stockpiled and even the C team amphibs at Malaya need some rest.

I am going to attack India primarily for points remember I need to score a LOT of points just to earn a draw as I fully expect this game to go to 46.

The main strike is OP Plan Yellow and the diversionary plan Black these will be followed for the next 6 weeks - The reinvasion of India is a tertiary operation involving forces that after Yellow lands become somewhat irrelevant anyway as I dont have the shipping to get them back to Centpac anyway.

Andy

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 1:12:52 PM

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It is not only so , that you get the points, PzB will loose many of them. The pendula might swing over very swift, if you recapture Java and Sumatra. There are many points to get there for the Japanese player.
How many points did the loose of Singapore cost PzB? Have you checked it?
Has someone calculated how many points the Japanese player gets for holding India, Java, etc.?
You might be much nearer to a draw than you think!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 5:16:34 PM

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Andy - Have you taken the time to go through most of the bases one by one to see where you can get the biggest bang for the buck (dollar)?? You may need to attack India, but I would look around Java, Sumatra, and othere areas close to Malaya/Borneo to see what bases have the biggest swing in VP.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/13/2006 6:04:07 PM

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Not really but I should

Remember I need to get 1.75X to get a DRAW now at end 44 PZB still has more VP's than I do and a lot of them are for Ships and aircraft that I cannot do much about - I am going to attack India becuase by going South to North I

1. Get points for locations.
2. Get to trap a large chunk of the Jap army against the sea and desroy them getting me more points.

But I say again this is a tertiary operation and it only works in conjunction with other operations

Andy

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 12:12:40 PM

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Could you please give the points you and PzB have, split up in bases, strategic, planes, ships, etc?

This might help a little to evaluate the "how to do".

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 12:44:09 PM

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ok, did some searching on the map (only starting values:

Base allies jap
karachi 12 1200
malir 2 10
ahamabad 2 10
lahore 2 10
ravalpindi 2 10
dehli 8 40
bombay 14 340
panaji 6 30
hyderabad 6 30
lucknow 6 30
bangalore 2 10
Tivandrum 3 15
madras 14 350
Mannardudi 2 10
yanam 2 10
benares 2 10
jamshedpur 2 10
asanol 2 10
calcutta 8 200
diamond harbor 11 275
Jamshedpur 2 10
dacca 8 200
chandpur 10 50
colombo 14 350
tricomalee 15 375
diampur 4 20
andamans 4 4
Jorhat 4 20
kohima 2 10
imphal 6 30
akyab 6 12
ledo 6 30
myitkina 4 8
lashio 4 8
mandalay 6 12
pagan 2 4
taung guy 2 4
rangoon 700 28
moulmein 9 18
tavoy 9 18
bangkok 13 13
siemrem 2 2
saigon 375 15
singers 2000 200
hong kong 700 42

bonin 250 5
Iwo Jima 300 3
Marcus 9 3
manila 1200 60
clark 400 32
guam 100 12
tinian 175 7
Saipan 225 9
Tokyo 15000 750
Shimizu 400 8
kagoshima 650 13
nagasaki 600 12
sasebo 1500 30
shanghai 1600 16
nanning 6 60
Wuchow 2 20
junan 4 100

So here you search your next operations�targets!

Sorry, the computer deleted all my tabulators, leaving the colomns messed up.

< Message edited by Frank -- 12/14/2006 12:54:23 PM >

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 1:12:15 PM

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Strategic bombing can get you several unanswered thousands of points.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Not really but I should

Remember I need to get 1.75X to get a DRAW now at end 44 PZB still has more VP's than I do and a lot of them are for Ships and aircraft that I cannot do much about - I am going to attack India becuase by going South to North I

1. Get points for locations.
2. Get to trap a large chunk of the Jap army against the sea and desroy them getting me more points.

But I say again this is a tertiary operation and it only works in conjunction with other operations

Andy

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 5:02:34 PM

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I will look tonight when I do the turn I was out for Beer last night did my turns for games with Pauk Chez and SPrior while drunk but not ga ga and then went ga ga before I could do PZB's turn (Only 8 Pints of Beer I am a shadow of my former self :()

Note to all players NEVER DO TURNS WHILE PISSED - (Read Pauk's AAR to check out why I suspect he is gloating there as we speak !!!)

Andy

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 5:08:59 PM

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I would start pushing North from Malaya towards Ragoon. I would focus a little bit on taking bases on the NW corner of Borneo to have bases to base planes to cover resupply convoys going to Singapore. The single base on the island just SE of Singapore would help also. If I was PzB, I would use Java to attack TF's heading up that way. '

Andy, by taking northern Sumatra, you could take a long route through part of the Indian Ocean to get supplies in. But this may work only a few times before PzB figures it out.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 5:10:36 PM

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Thanks Frank.

I assume I can get 40,000 points for strat bombing.

At present I think PZB has about c 80k points and I have c 70k

Now to 'WIN' I need to get 2:1 in 45 so I need to score an additional 50k worth of points from A2A, Ships and Ground Forces Destruction without taking any losses myself.

This IMO is not possible.

To 'DRAW' I need to get 1.75x by the games end in 46 now to get a 'DRAW' I need to score c 100,000 points in the next 16 months ....... a tall order but those bases in India are worth a LOT of points to Japan and every point I remove there is worth 1.75X to me as it reduces the Japanese point total

Look at places like Columbo and Karachi which are incredibly valuable

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 5:40:38 PM

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I will look tonight when I do the turn I was out for Beer last night did my turns for games with Pauk Chez and SPrior while drunk

Dang! That was a bit of intel I could have used before sending my turn back!!!

I'm going to have to talk to my intel chief about how he missed that piece of information!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/14/2006 10:44:47 PM

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OK not much to report T - 5 for loading for op plan Yellow

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/08/44

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ASW attack at 58,64

Japanese Ships
MSW W.8
PC Ch 12
PG Shosei Maru
PG Shinko Maru #1
PC PC-2

Allied Ships
SS Tinosa

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Sub attack at 27,54

Japanese Ships
TK Hoyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Tama Maru
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #52

Allied Ships
SS Sculpin

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 48
J1N1-S Irving x 33
C6N1-S Myrt x 27
D4Y Judy x 9
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 12

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 91

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 26
B6N Jill x 27
P1Y Frances x 52
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 120
Ki-67 Peggy x 22
Ki-46-III Dinah x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 138

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Tarakan , at 33,61

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 15
B-25J Mitchell x 40

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 30

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 6

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 10
PB4Y Liberator x 8

No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 18

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
F-5C Lightning: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 56

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 35
F4U-1D Corsair x 21
F6F-5N Hellcat x 14
Hurricane II x 14
Kittyhawk III x 21

No Allied losses

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 20
P-40N Warhawk x 27

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 43,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 18
B7A Grace x 42
Ki-102a Randy x 7

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 4th Indian Air Base Force, at 36,28

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 30

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Indian Air Base Force, at 36,28

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 32

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
TBM Avenger x 23
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
P-38J Lightning x 13
B-25J Mitchell x 98

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 56th/C Division, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 93
TBM Avenger x 50
Boomerang II x 8
Spitfire VIII x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 56th/C Division, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 11
TBM Avenger x 6
Beaufighter VIC x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2
P-38J Lightning x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 56th/C Division, at 23,50

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 40

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
40 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kure 2nd SNLF, at 23,44

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
Beaufighter VIC x 14
P-40N Warhawk x 57
B-25J Mitchell x 2
B-29 Superfortress x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/17/2006 11:37:05 PM

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Apparently Frank stats got mixed up Matrix are helping us fix it - main point to note is that they offered to tun on PDU and I said no !!!

(Had PZB insisted I would have acceded but he left decisoin in my hands)

With no Hellcats in pool and no trained navy Pilots PDU would have made any of my plans impossibel so I said no - I will be seriously considering whether PDU is a benefit or curse in all my allied games in future - my current view is that alllied to japanese production it is something all allied players should think long and hard about before agreeing to it really is not something that works in the favour of the allies as thre Japanese have far better pool density in key types through control of producution

Andy

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 1:17:10 PM

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of course a better solution would be to revise some of the Allied AC production rates to more realistic historical figures!!!!! PLEASE matrix!!

Also, while we are making some minor adjustments, how about making Sydney (or Melbourne, or even Perth) the default arrival base for UK units (air, naval and ground) if India is captured. Surely this is realistic.

Still a great AAR Andy.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 5:04:28 PM

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Thanks Buzz I felt a little guilty saying no to Matrix's kind offer but on balance I doubt I will play with PDU on in future it just makes the game fantasyland tied to Jap production.

T-4 for Op Plan Yellow to load up - I am just stockpiling a few Hellcats in the pool and trying to knock some sys damage off of my carriers while we wait.

All Superforts are out of Malaya and I will move on Sumatra soon as well as landing forces on North Borneo to distract attention.

The last of the amphibs are en route and I will be ready to load up my forces soon.

Points are going to be the key to avoiding defeat.

Andy

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 5:05:54 PM

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I am up to 10 Hellcats and 4 USN pilots in pool I feel like I am in heaven this is Luxury !!!!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 5:19:45 PM

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OK the plan for India ----

Operation Hangover CURE...

The key is to land somewhere where I can quickly capture a road nexus to exploit including 1 or more bases on which I can base forces including 11th Airborne Div.

In outline the plan is to land on or around Madras with 6 Divisions and lots of Armour in two Corps.

1 Corps will capture Madras while the second exploits towards Hyderabad.

As soon as Madras is captured I will bring in 11th Airborne plus the 503rd Para Regt and perform an Arnheim type mass airborne landing either at Ahmabad or Delhi following it up with my newly designated air mobile 5th NZ Bde with the purpose of cutting the country in two all the while 30 Corps err sorry em 1st Aus Corps

Armour goes up the road to relieve them. If this works PZB will not be able to dig in and fortify at Karachi and Bombay because I will cut his forces in half - accordingly I am startingto move C47 Groups to Northern Australia I want to mass 500+ C47's for the primary lift.

The reconquest of India is on and will begin by February 45 !!!!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 6:01:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

OK the plan for India ----

Operation Hangover CURE...

The key is to land somewhere where I can quickly capture a road nexus to exploit including 1 or more bases on which I can base forces including 11th Airborne Div.

In outline the plan is to land on or around Madras with 6 Divisions and lots of Armour in two Corps.

1 Corps will capture Madras while the second exploits towards Hyderabad.

As soon as Madras is captured I will bring in 11th Airborne plus the 503rd Para Regt and perform an Arnheim type mass airborne landing either at Ahmabad or Delhi following it up with my newly designated air mobile�5th NZ�Bde with the purpose of cutting the country in�two all the while 30 Corps err sorry em 1st Aus Corps �Armour goes up the road to relieve them. If this works PZB will not be able to dig in and fortify at Karachi and Bombay because I will cut his forces in half�- accordingly I am startingto move C47 Groups to Northern Australia I want to mass 500+ C47's for the primary lift.

The reconquest of India is on and will begin by February 45 !!!!

I'd be very surprised if all his troops weren't sitting behind level 9 forts throughout India. The trick will probably be to prevent them from consolidating so that you can defeat him piecemeal.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 6:49:17 PM

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Hence the air land campaign dropping 400 AV of Paras supported by every Bomber I can find !!!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/18/2006 8:04:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I am up to 10 Hellcats and 4 USN pilots in pool I feel like I am in heaven this is Luxury !!!!

Geez, I haven't seen 4 pilots in the IJNAF pool since about Jan 42.....

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RE: Singapore Falls - 12/19/2006 9:17:44 AM

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I am sure PzB hasn�t either. He just trains them in China!

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