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ORIGINAL: cantona

Excuse the ignorance and im still in hospital in a morphine induced cloud, but how does this work, ive installed the sce and graphics files but the scen comes out blank, jusy an empty green field. will this have an effect on existing scens

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This is great! I am glad to see legitimate additions to the equipment set, especially for WWII German OOB. One thing I would like to see added though are halftrack prime movers. Germany produced something on the order of a quarter million (all types) of these vehicles before and during the war and the standard TOAW equipment database does not contain anything that replicates their cross-country mobility AND their lack of armor/armament. Using the SdKfz 251/1 is NOT appropriate since it has both an "armor" rating AND "anti-armor" strength, and is also an "active defender". As a prime mover I believe they should have neither; they should be rated same as a "truck" without the "this equipment moves poorly off roads" modifier. The one possible exception is the Raupenschlepper Ost, but it was fully tracked and only early versions had an "armored" cab; the "tracked tractor" could probably replicate this vehicle (some 25,000 were produced). Anyway, here's a good website that covers all the major German WWII halftrack prime movers.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/8141/halftracks.html

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I also like the additional choices for German infantry squads but still don't see one for a squad with TWO MG-34/MG-42 GPMG. These type squads were (as I recall) exclusively in panzergrenadier formations, primarily from (again, as I recall) mid 1942 on. There have been previous discussions on this board related to appropriate TOAW equipment choices for German WWII infantry squads (i.e. "heavy" rifle squads vs. "plain" squads) and the appropriate MG choice ("medium" vs. "heavy") for the MG-34/42 in either the GPMG or "heavy fire support" role. Perhaps this is accounted for in one of the new squad choices, but it's not reflected in any of the names given to the squads. I am basing these assumptions on Dr. Niehorster's excellent German OOB info found at orbat.com.

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Thanks for sharing your work; I look forward to "playing around" with the final (?) version of this. Apologies if I've missed something that addresses what I've said in this post.

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ORIGINAL: Panzer War

It depends on the composition of the squad if you are talking about a squad that is just really two HMG teams then I would suggest useing two HMG teams.

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But more specifically the second MG for the Pnz Grn Sqd is for the Sd.Kfz.251/1 witch I believe is represented by that unit. The Squad essentially rates the same as one of the Rifle Squad GPMG squads provided in the data base minus the additional MG.

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ORIGINAL: golden delicious

Further, I would advise against putting in every single SdKfz because of the way motor transport works in TOAW.

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ORIGINAL: Telumar

Really? Depends on the scenario scope and the tactics respectively the use of those vehicles in combat i'd say. And you mean only the 251/1 i guess, not all those other SdKfz like the 251/9 etc.

The same might be true for the british universal carrier and the M3A1 in all their variants.

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For a PzGren Kompanie (gepanzert) it might be better to put it all in, you can't have enough equipment in the units at that scope due to round burning (personal experience with ABTF'44).

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ORIGINAL: golden delicious
This isn't active defender. That's no good.

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ORIGINAL: Scout_Pilot

Hey g d, I've seen other references in this forum to the "transport problem". I think I understand the probable effect on transport asset sharing and seem to recall that there's something in the "engine" that basically means that one "vehicle" has the capability to "transport" three non-vehicular items of equipment/squads (is my recollection correct on this?).

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So, if both sides have historic levels of transport assets, instead of an "imposed" reduction to 33% of actual TO&E, would there still be a "balance" issue?

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ORIGINAL: Scout_Pilot

As golden delicious said, the truck-borne panzer grenadier squads also have (had) two MG-34 (or MG-42 later in the war) "teams".

What's really at play here is the German tactical doctrine in WWII that placed this weapon in a position of primacy in the infantry (grenadier) squad, as opposed to the support role it served in all other armies. In German squads the riflemen supported and protected the MG; i.e. in an attack the riflemen provided suppressive fire so the MG could be advanced to a position where it could either kill, rout, or, heavily suppress the defender during the final close assault by the grenadiers. The light weight and high rate of fire of these weapons facilitated the "stosstrupp" tactics used with such success by the German "infanterie" in the early years of the war. Even in squads with two MG, the riflemen still supported the MG and the MG was the principal weapon in the beginning phase of the attack. In the defense ... well, it's obvious that the German squad, when equipped with two MG, was much more powerful than, say, an American squad that had ONE 0.30 Cal., clip-fed B.A.R.

Anyway, here's a great website with a good amount of detailed info on the organization and infantry tactical doctrines emplyed by the principal belligerents in WWII.

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/

The MG-34 mounted on the SdKfz 251/1 served several purposes, but not in the squad LMG role described above. Its primary role was protecting the vehicle (from enemy infantry) and it also could serve as "heavy fire support" for the dismounted squad (in the right circumstances, of course). In this role it might be likened to the tripod mounted MG-34/42 since the vehicle provided the stable mounting necessary for sustained heavy rates of fire. Remember that the Germans used the MG-34, and the later MG-42 in BOTH roles, the only difference being whether it had the bipod or was mounted on the heavy tripod. It was the high sustained rate of fire that made it the best squad MG of the war in the "light" (bipod) configuration and in the "heavy fire support" role from the tripod mount.

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ORIGINAL: Panzer War

Hence my point a squad that is essentially two HMG Teams, It depends on the unit and its role in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: golden delicious

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ORIGINAL: Panzer War

Hence my point a squad that is essentially two HMG Teams, It depends on the unit and its role in my opinion.

Mm. Twelve men with two machine guns and six rifles (in the example of the German heavy motorcycle squad) is going to be able to hold ground no matter what unit it's in. So it has to be active defender.