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Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 4:10:02 PM   
Muzrub


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Status: offline 		Been looking about and this doesnt seem too bad.
Any thoughts on the subject be great.
I jusr really need somethingto play some of those high end games out there these days- sick of the computer either crashing or freezing on crap to very low specs.

I might be buying it tomorrow and setting her up on ANZAC day.




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Gigabyte GA-945GZME-RH Motherboard
1 GIG ( 2 x 512MB ) DDR2 533Mhz Dual Channel RAM
Seagate 250G SATA II HDD
LG 16x DVD+/-RW DL Burner
Gigabyte Ge-Force 7600GS Video Card
5.1 Sound Card Build in Motherboard
LogitechX-530 5.1 Speakers
Microsoft Keyboard and Optical Mouse


( EXTRA $149 for XP Home or VISTA Home Basic )

$1399 in Aussie Dollars.

Cheers guys.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 4:13:05 PM   
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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 4:20:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look into building your own, it is not as hard as it seems and you get waayyy more bang for the buck also check the socket match cause I think the dual and quad cores are using a diff socket....here check this out I have used them with no problems for years:http://www.tigerdirect.com/indexus.asp?SRCCODE=WEBMSNACTD&CMP=KNC-MSNAC

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 4:52:25 PM   
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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 5:59:23 PM   
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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 6:18:49 PM   
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4 GB Ram. (Even though Vista, yes Vista, only sees 3 GB)
20" flatscreen.
I didn't get a huge drive as I don't play a lot of different games.

Kept my other computer to go online with.


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 7:41:56 PM   
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4 GB Ram. (Even though Vista, yes Vista, only sees 3 GB)


Hm, if it's not a motherboard limitation then it sounds like you got the 32-bit version of Vista. The 64-bit version could see all 4GB if the hardware supported it. Some motherboards also don't actually support a full 4GB even though you can slot it in.


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 7:54:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Muzrub,

I would take 7900 GS as it is really good graphic card and it's not very expensive now. 7600 is also good but I would take 7900 or 7950 :)

Also what others suggested new system would have to have 2 GB of memory. Memory is very important! That way you can keep "youth" in your system for longer time. And always my rule is never to buy latest graphic card or latest CPU etc... it's not worth it!
So I always go with slighty less than top components.

EDIT: And take Intel of course! Stay away from AMD like from devil itself. :)


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 8:05:46 PM   
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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 8:13:08 PM   
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4 GB Ram. (Even though Vista, yes Vista, only sees 3 GB)
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1 GB is reserved for the OS (tha is for all Windows 32bit OSs). You could tweak the Boot.ini to have all 4GB show (I assume you checked how much the Os "sees" under "Control Panel > System"), but that is not really recommended.


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 8:13:57 PM   
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I just wish Matrix and HPS would produce Mac versions of all their games. I'd never go near a bloody PC again.


Yeah, I wish that too. Not kidding
Even more since I am completely setup with Macs now.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 8:38:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		System seems like a good one. I do disagree with Terminus about Vista, I beta tested it for 7 months and then purchased it. Vista is the most stable OS Microsoft has ever released. So far I have no problems playing every Matrix game I have on Vista, plus all other games I own. If you do get a system with Vista on it add an extra gig of ram. Good luck.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/23/2007 11:49:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Muzrub

[...]

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13G CPU
Gigabyte GA-945GZME-RH Motherboard
1 GIG ( 2 x 512MB ) DDR2 533Mhz Dual Channel RAM
Seagate 250G SATA II HDD
LG 16x DVD+/-RW DL Burner
Gigabyte Ge-Force 7600GS Video Card
5.1 Sound Card Build in Motherboard
LogitechX-530 5.1 Speakers
Microsoft Keyboard and Optical Mouse


( EXTRA $149 for XP Home or VISTA Home Basic )

$1399 in Aussie Dollars.

Cheers guys.

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i'd pick AMD, not intel, cheaper, faster, better

also go for winXP, not Vista, at least for the time being...

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 1:25:46 AM   
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I just wish Matrix and HPS would produce Mac versions of all their games. I'd never go near a bloody PC again.




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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 1:27:17 AM   
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nt



i'd pick AMD, not intel, cheaper, faster, better

also go for winXP, not Vista, at least for the time being...


I was under impression that new Dual Core's are faster and better (if not cheaper) than AMD LOLZ


But maybe in some other galaxy far away..........

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 11:14:54 AM   
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I was under impression that new Dual Core's are faster and better (if not cheaper) than AMD LOLZ




They are. Core 2 Duo is what you want to buy these days, that is for a regular gaming / all day use rig.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 11:19:41 AM   
Muzrub


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Thanks guys- checked out all the comments and ran with this.
You were all a great help.

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.13G CPU
ASUS Mother Board
1 GIG ( 2 x 512MB ) DDR2 533Mhz Dual Channel RAM
Samsung 250G SATA II HDD
LG 16x DVD+/-RW DL Burner
Gigabyte Ge-Force 7600GS Video Card
5.1 Sound Card Build in Motherboard
LogitechX-530 5.1 Speakers

+ A proper version of Windows XP.

But Alot cheaper after bargining.

The price is now- $1,250 including XP

Saved $300 for paying cash! And the Dude is going to set it up and add some extra's, Virus and Firewall.





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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 12:29:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mobius

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4 GB Ram. (Even though Vista, yes Vista, only sees 3 GB)
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1 GB is reserved for the OS (tha is for all Windows 32bit OSs). You could tweak the Boot.ini to have all 4GB show (I assume you checked how much the Os "sees" under "Control Panel > System"), but that is not really recommended.



How do you do that, Marc? I only see how to change the paging file which is different to physical memory.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 12:53:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mobius

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4 GB Ram. (Even though Vista, yes Vista, only sees 3 GB)
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1 GB is reserved for the OS (tha is for all Windows 32bit OSs). You could tweak the Boot.ini to have all 4GB show (I assume you checked how much the Os "sees" under "Control Panel > System"), but that is not really recommended.



How do you do that, Marc? I only see how to change the paging file which is different to physical memory.



Google it up, it is not hard to find. I will not tell people here how to fiddle with such things

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 12:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry...I didn't mean Iw anted to know how to do it...I do NOT want Windows grabbing all my physical memory...

I was asking about this bit
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(I assume you checked how much the Os "sees" under "Control Panel > System")



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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 1:38:28 PM   
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I was under impression that new Dual Core's are faster and better (if not cheaper) than AMD LOLZ






They are. Core 2 Duo is what you want to buy these days, that is for a regular gaming / all day use rig.



Long live the Intel!

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 3:24:27 PM   
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Sorry...I didn't mean Iw anted to know how to do it...I do NOT want Windows grabbing all my physical memory...

I was asking about this bit
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(I assume you checked how much the Os "sees" under "Control Panel > System")




Well, click START, then Control Panel, then System. Under the general tab it shows you the ammount of RAM.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 3:47:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		mmmm....yeah...I know that...but that tells you how much ram is on your system, not how much the operating system is grabbing, which is what your post was saying.

Nevermind...cross wires here.


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 5:41:21 PM   
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mmmm....yeah...I know that...but that tells you how much ram is on your system, not how much the operating system is grabbing, which is what your post was saying.

Nevermind...cross wires here.



No my post was about how much the OS is "seeing", not "grabbing". I just said the with 32bit OSs of MS there is one GB reserved to the OS itself. That is way people only "see" 3GB in that very panel, even if they have 4GB installed.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 5:51:56 PM   
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My PC at home has 2GB, so I will check when I get hom.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 7:08:30 PM   
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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 7:49:21 PM   
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EDIT: And take Intel of course! Stay away from AMD like from devil itself. :)


Mario


Mario, curious as to why you are so adamant about staying away from the AMD. I have had AMDs for my last 3 computers and haven't had a problem, BUT, I'm not that computer technical. Almost time for me to upgrade and would genuinely like to know the reasons behind your statement to consider in my purchase decision.

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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 8:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's nothing wrong with AMD. For years now, quite a few years, AMD have consistently produced processors comparable or better than their Intel counterparts and at a reduced cost.

However, Intel do seem to have grabbed the mantle with the Core 2 Duo which does appear to be faster than AMDs dual core and at a comparable price.

I've had AMD for years and what pushed me there was cost and how easy it was to determine what I needed. However, if I upgrade in the future, I may well go Intel again.

However, I can put a Dual Core AMD 64 4000+ (that's the equivelant of 2x2.5GHz) on my existing motherboard at a cost of £80! Not bad.


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/24/2007 8:17:55 PM   
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[/quote]

Mario, curious as to why you are so adamant about staying away from the AMD. I have had AMDs for my last 3 computers and haven't had a problem, BUT, I'm not that computer technical. Almost time for me to upgrade and would genuinely like to know the reasons behind your statement to consider in my purchase decision.

[/quote]

Well, I will tell you - personally I had big problems with AMD 1800+ based PC. But, I don't blame so much AMD but lousy manufacturers of motherboards from Taiwan from example, SOLTEK. And others.

I am not telling that AMD is so bad but just my personal view is that INTEL based platform offers better stability - few percent that acounts who is faster or slower doesn't really matter in today's games or application. (except video editing that INTEL is better in churning out).

Of course I am not dismissing AMD - here AMD is even more popular and some hardware reviewers are recommending it much more than INTEL. That guy was working for
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx and still is there I think.

So really I should listen to him but as I said just personal choice for INTEL.


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RE: Buying a new Computer- what do you reckon? - 4/25/2007 8:38:46 AM   
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