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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 7:26:10 AM

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Agree. The horizontal bar on top is much better then the thin border shown before.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 10:30:24 AM

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Me too.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 11:10:47 AM

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I like tis option as well

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 1:05:30 PM

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Looks really good. I like it!

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 2:55:38 PM

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I like the last suggestion too. It seems there is a consensus to show captured units this way.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 2:56:54 PM

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I agree. The stripe is nice.

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I love that that way.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 9:33:16 PM

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That stripe on top also gets my vote.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 4/30/2007 10:04:04 PM

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My word, a consensus!

There are two other times when I add a stripe on the counter to indicate a second country.

For lend lease aircraft, the stripe is across the bottom numbers, though it does not extend all the way to the bottom of the counter. This is the same as it is on the cardboard counters, with the stripe indicating the country of origin. To be able to do that, there are separate counters/bitmaps for each variation of the lend-leased aircraft. That is, there are separate bitmaps of the unit for each country, even though there is really only one unit represented (if the Brits have the unit, then their counter is in play and the corresponding USA counter is in the LendLeasePool (I have yet to write the code to handle all this though - CWIF did it differently). Should the Americans demand the unit back, then the CW unit would go into the LendLeasePool and the USA variation would be in play. I use the word variation because the numbers on the counters often change slightly dependnig on which country has the unit.

The third stripe, for "loaned units", is across the bottom of the unit - it is small and does not intrude onto the numbers. Indeed, the stripe for a loaned unit abuts the stripe for lend-leased units. A loaned unit is one that a player has assigned to another player for movement. As far as RAW is concerned, when a unit is loaned to another player, nothing has happened at all. It is merely whose hand picks up and moves the unit. For example, the Germans might move Italians units in Russia and the Italians move German aircraft in the Med. WMIF has to have this information explicitly entered, so I want to show this visually on the counter. The stripe at the bottom indicates that the unit has been loaned to another major power, who will decide when and where to move it.

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The Final Countdown - 5/1/2007 10:02:00 PM

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This afternoon, I played around a little, and had a dream come true

(the values are pure nonsense, I just couldn't manage to display more than 15 Air to Air strengh

)

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/1/2007 10:21:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

This afternoon, I played around a little, and had a dream come true
(the values are pure nonsense, I just couldn't manage to display more than 15 Air to Air strengh )

As I recall, most counters number/factors are stored in 4 bit fields (0-15).

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/2/2007 1:24:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

This afternoon, I played around a little, and had a dream come true
(the values are pure nonsense, I just couldn't manage to display more than 15 Air to Air strengh )

There's a film about this: see this... The modern Nimitz goes back in time to WWII. We just have to be able to do this!

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/2/2007 2:20:11 PM

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There's a film about this: see this... The modern Nimitz goes back in time to WWII. We just have to be able to do this!

That was the point of my post indeed

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/3/2007 5:37:07 AM

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For two nights now it has been making me crazy trying to remember that movie's name.

It was "The Final Countdown", starring Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, Katherine Ross, James Farrentino and Charles Durning. Generally regarded as a "B" movie, I thought it was pretty good until they avoided the encounter between the Nimitz's fighters and the Japanese Pearl Harbor strike force by re-inventing the phenomena that caused the time shift in the first place. ...a real cop-out.

There was one scene where a couple F-14s made quick work of a couple Zeros - surprise, surprise.

Of course this never comes up when I play NTN's "Get Reel".

...and now back to this station's regular programming

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/3/2007 1:56:29 PM

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Yep, Final Countdown. See

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/web/20060506-alternate-history-mark-twain-lest-darkness-fall-connecticut-yankee.shtml

Jason

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

For two nights now it has been making me crazy trying to remember that movie's name.

It was "The Final Countdown", starring Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, Katherine Ross, James Farrentino and Charles Durning. Generally regarded as a "B" movie, I thought it was pretty good until they avoided the encounter between the Nimitz's fighters and the Japanese Pearl Harbor strike force by re-inventing the phenomena that caused the time shift in the first place. ...a real cop-out.

There was one scene where a couple F-14s made quick work of a couple Zeros - surprise, surprise.

Of course this never comes up when I play NTN's "Get Reel".

...and now back to this station's regular programming

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/4/2007 3:45:31 AM

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The US Navy retired the venerable F-14 last Sept. Sigh ... I'm getting old

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/4/2007 6:53:11 AM

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Ah, it's all good. We'll all have Top Gun to remember the F-14 by.

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/4/2007 9:58:40 AM

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Ah, it's all good. We'll all have Top Gun to remember the F-14 by.

If I could just speak from the perspective of someone who worked as a technician on fighters and who had a tremendous amount to do with fighter pilots, that movie is the biggest pile of rotting elephant excrement of all time.

If someone set out to make the most unrealistic film about fighter combat possible, given the help of the US Navy and with scads of money, they would make Top Gun. Yes, it's got some nice footage of carrier operations and F-14s but then again, you would hope so given the subject matter. Out of interest I watched it again recently and found myself shouting obscenities at the screen. Utter bilge.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/4/2007 8:11:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

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Ah, it's all good. We'll all have Top Gun to remember the F-14 by.

If I could just speak from the perspective of someone who worked as a technician on fighters and who had a tremendous amount to do with fighter pilots, that movie is the biggest pile of rotting elephant excrement of all time.

If someone set out to make the most unrealistic film about fighter combat possible, given the help of the US Navy and with scads of money, they would make Top Gun. Yes, it's got some nice footage of carrier operations and F-14s but then again, you would hope so given the subject matter. Out of interest I watched it again recently and found myself shouting obscenities at the screen. Utter bilge.

Cheers, Neilster

But Neilster its HOLLYWOOD.

In Hollywood they belive the military loves trouble makers and rebels

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RE: The Final Countdown - 5/4/2007 11:54:08 PM

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Actually, I would think if you wanted to make the most unrealistic movie about jet fighter combat, you would set out to make Independence Day.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 12:14:45 AM

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Here is a screen shot from setting up the Guadalcanal scenario. My question to you is about the Netherlands CA Sumatra which is now 'owned' by the Commonwealth, since the Netherlands has been conquered.

Being a bit anal here -

Assuming that the "new" world map is used (with Dutch Guyana as a minor country), then the Netherlans will not be conquered at the start of the Guadalcanal scenario...

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 12:53:38 AM

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Hello Doctormm, here is what your avatar would look like in MWiF

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 1:57:58 AM

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Patrice -
I was wondering about doing just that. Thanks for saving me the effort.
Bob

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 2:23:58 AM

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Here is a screen shot from setting up the Guadalcanal scenario. My question to you is about the Netherlands CA Sumatra which is now 'owned' by the Commonwealth, since the Netherlands has been conquered.

Being a bit anal here -

Assuming that the "new" world map is used (with Dutch Guyana as a minor country), then the Netherlans will not be conquered at the start of the Guadalcanal scenario...

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean. do you mean, ...

The Netherlands is incompletely conquered by Germany and sets up with NEI as its new home country. When the NEI is conquered by Japan, the Netherlands now moves its home country to Dutch Guyana? So the Sumatra should still be owned by the Netherlands instead of the CW?

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 2:54:11 AM

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Here's the USSR side of Barbaossa, with the Black Sea fleet spread out so you can see them all. The box in the lower right corner contains the map views I have been using for the USSR for this scenario. It lets me jump around the map effortlessly.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 3:11:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Here is a screen shot from setting up the Guadalcanal scenario. My question to you is about the Netherlands CA Sumatra which is now 'owned' by the Commonwealth, since the Netherlands has been conquered.

Being a bit anal here -

Assuming that the "new" world map is used (with Dutch Guyana as a minor country), then the Netherlans will not be conquered at the start of the Guadalcanal scenario...

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean. do you mean, ...

The Netherlands is incompletely conquered by Germany and sets up with NEI as its new home country. When the NEI is conquered by Japan, the Netherlands now moves its home country to Dutch Guyana? So the Sumatra should still be owned by the Netherlands instead of the CW?

When the Netherlands is incompletely conquered, it can setup the NEI as its new home country, but it can also setup the UK as its home country,which is better.
When the NEI is conquered by Japan, the Netherlands is still incompletely conquered (whatever its new home country may have been) because it still own an aligned minor in the name of Dutch Guyana, so Dutch ships are still Dutch and not yet British (so there still are coop problems with non CW units). I think that he meant that.
When the NEI is conquered, Sumatra (as part of the NEI) is conquered too.

Edit : Hehe, I thought that you were toalkin of Sumatra, the island, in your answer, and I realize by reading it all that you meant the Cruiser

. The Sumatra CA stays Dutch, that's it, as the Netherlands are not yet completely conquered.

< Message edited by Froonp -- 5/6/2007 3:13:34 AM >

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 3:59:30 AM

Shannon V. OKeets

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When the Netherlands is incompletely conquered, it can setup the NEI as its new home country, but it can also setup the UK as its home country,which is better.
When the NEI is conquered by Japan, the Netherlands is still incompletely conquered (whatever its new home country may have been) because it still own an aligned minor in the name of Dutch Guyana, so Dutch ships are still Dutch and not yet British (so there still are coop problems with non CW units). I think that he meant that.
When the NEI is conquered, Sumatra (as part of the NEI) is conquered too.

Edit : Hehe, I thought that you were toalkin of Sumatra, the island, in your answer, and I realize by reading it all that you meant the Cruiser . The Sumatra CA stays Dutch, that's it, as the Netherlands are not yet completely conquered.

Rats. I have to rethink this all again.

Take for example, the Yugoslavian cruiser that is part of the Italian setup in the Lebensraum scenario (as one example). Clearly this is a captured unit that the Italians have taken possession of. For all practical purposes in the game, it is Italian.

On the other hand, the CA Sumatra (Dutch) is part of the CW setup for Guadalcanal. But it is not clear to me whether the unit has been captured by the CW (and is now owned by the CW), or if it is still owned by the Netherlands.

The setup rules seem to use the same notation for both instances.

I had been assuming that the CA Sumatra was captured and was now owned by the CW at teh start of Guadalcanal. It appears you think that is incorrect.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 4:04:28 AM

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Every once in a while, a bug presents a humorous outcome. Or perhaps the humor is simply a reflection of my distorted point of view after debugging for too long. Fro instacne, this popped up today. The coloring indicates that the Polish have lend leased the Bf 110G to the Germans and the French have also lend leased the Condor to them.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 10:42:23 AM

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I had been assuming that the CA Sumatra was captured and was now owned by the CW at teh start of Guadalcanal. It appears you think that is incorrect.

It depends on the status of conquest of the Netherlands.
Completely conquered : CA Sumatra is CW ship.
Incompletely conquered : CA Sumatra is Dutch ship controlled by the CW.
I think that the best is either to look at the conquest status of the Netherlands in this scenario, or if not mentionned to deduct it from the real situation that is that as Dutch Guyana is still Dutch, the Netherlands are not Completely Conquered.

Indeed, there should be no scenario in MWiF where the Netherlands is completely conquered.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 7:53:25 PM

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Section 24 Scenario Information does not distinguish between �Conquered� and �Incompletely conquered�. Perhaps this section needs to be updated to reflect the historical situation for the scenarios.

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RE: Bitmaps vs vectors - 5/6/2007 8:37:10 PM

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["A Final Countdown" also features a brief shot of some guys playing Squad Leader. It would be a very popular scenario but I think the F-14s would need an a2A much higher than 15].

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