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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 2:52:30 PM   
Naskra

 

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Status: offline 		I played a rather wild game against the AI, and can tell you what to expect should you retake Karachi:

The overdue troops and planes will appear immediately, the ships will resume their interrupted countdown.

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 2:56:47 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Naskra thats what I figured weird isnt it that the game trreats the RN as though its building all the ships not transferring them from other theatres.

I would like all the RN ships in the queu with less that 1,000 day delay set to arrive at Sydney or San Fran immediately please thats far more historic and I could really use the RN Carriers, BB's and especially Cruisers now !!!

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 4:16:29 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		My Strat AF's didnt launh in other news forces are moving into place !!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/45

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 8

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
PB4Y Liberator x 6


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 11
F-5C Lightning x 1
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 30


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 7
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Chinese Corps, at 58,23

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 48
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 68
Ki-102a Randy x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 damaged
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th USMC Division, at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 18
B7A Grace x 26
Ki-100 Tony x 3
Ki-48 Lily x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
17 x B6N Jill bombing at 14000 feet
26 x B7A Grace bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 81st USA Division, at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 3
Ki-48 Lily x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
3 x B7A Grace bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 48th/A Division, at 27,39


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 39


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
31 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 143rd IJN Base Force, at 31,46


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 42
Kittyhawk III x 14
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 26
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
A-26B Invader x 27


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
189 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
15 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
42 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 143rd IJN Base Force, at 31,46


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 8
B-24J Liberator x 11


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Liberator VI bombing at 17000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
TK Yamamizu Maru
TK Nichirin Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,73

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK David Dudley Field
TK Kishwaukee
AK Frank H. Evers
AK Granville Stuart, Bomb hits 1
AK Jane Addams, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 86490 troops, 889 guns, 616 vehicles, Assault Value = 2136

Defending force 57806 troops, 512 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 1262



Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Saigon

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 99804 troops, 547 guns, 1174 vehicles, Assault Value = 2395

Defending force 29985 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 543

Allied max assault: 3674 - adjusted assault: 1717

Japanese max defense: 470 - adjusted defense: 1419

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 8)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 7


Japanese ground losses:
1348 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
1472 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Vehicles lost 16

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 4:21:16 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		In analysing my performance accross all games I have came to one inevitable conclusion I am sopmetimes to clever for my own good

I have the strenght to sledgehammer every objective instead I try to be complicated in the name of speed.

Sometimes it works a lot of the time it doesnt.

A few notable failures/near failures to add to the litany of Genral Andy Mac

Kavieng
Rabaul (ouch !!!)
Wasile
Zamboanga
North Borneo
Iwo Jima

I do have this nasty tendency to try and run beofre I can walk partly its my desire to try and break through the lvl 9 fort crust before I realsied the crust is all there is ;)

But the main part is I just love convoluted multi part strategies...

I guess I need to relearn KISS and bring a VERY big stick...

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 10:59:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/45

No damage 50 B29's and not a single hit !!!!

Night bombing is a waste of space.

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Night Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 60,41

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 4
C6N1-S Myrt x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:

Hehehe fortunately this was a sneaky move I sent CVE's to within 5 hexes of Tokyo and swept it in advance of a B29 daylight raid. Only the Corsairs have the range so the Wildcats did CAP in case it was a fiasco I used only Marines 5 Sqns of Marine Corsairs got the job done

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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
N1K1-J George x 24
J2M Jack x 46
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 25
Ki-100 Tony x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 51
F4U-1D Corsair x 32
B-29 Superfortress x 138

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 35 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 9 destroyed, 3 damaged
J2M Jack: 24 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 27 destroyed
Ki-100 Tony: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 3 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 7 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 3 destroyed
C6N1-S Myrt: 2 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 3 destroyed
L2D2 Tabby: 3 destroyed
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 1 destroyed
B7A Grace: 3 destroyed
Ki-54 Hickory: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 17 destroyed, 5 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 7 destroyed, 33 damaged

Japanese Ships
AO Teikon Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Sakawa, Bomb hits 1
DD Momo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW W.11, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
278 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 52
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
17 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 11:21:20 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		CRAP PZB just let slip that the Reppu will start production NEXT WEEK !!!!

OK this changes everything I was taking my time over the next attack NO MORE I Need to move like greased bloodly lightning I hate research and never weres.....

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/10/2007 11:52:35 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		OK Guys reality check assume PZB is producing 600+ Reppus a month have I got any chance at all (I assume all A6M series factories upgrade to Reppus ?)

I cannot match that from my number no way no how 144 Hellcats and 100 Corsais v thousands of Reppus. Between now and the end of the war the Japanese will produce more Reppus than all the Corsairs the 'mighty' US war machine can produce....

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 12:04:21 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		I may be over reacting does anyone know if A6M5 series factories auto upgrade to A6m8/ A7M2's I am aware that they use different engines so they may not ?

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 5:57:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think PZB is going to have a problem. His A6M5s will upgrade to A6M8s.. but those arent due yet. So he wont be able to autoconvert factories because he doesnt have the A6M8. So, if I understand it correctly he will have to build up A7M production, not autoconvert.

But.. thats just how I recall it. I could be wrong.

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 6:06:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Arrghh. I havent seen a Corsair yet in one of my PBEM games. In fact, I haven't seen a P-38 yet. A6M8

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 9:05:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vetamur

I think PZB is going to have a problem. His A6M5s will upgrade to A6M8s.. but those arent due yet. So he wont be able to autoconvert factories because he doesnt have the A6M8. So, if I understand it correctly he will have to build up A7M production, not autoconvert.

But.. thats just how I recall it. I could be wrong.


That's how it is afaik.

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 12:06:35 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		OK so I think I understand. If PZB gets Reppus in May he will only get the research factories converting to production.

In June/July when the A6M8 shows up all of his A6M5 factories will upgrade to A6M8 and then to Reppus.

So low produciton in May ramping up to massive levels in June/July.

OK if thats the case I still have a time window its narrow and my options just contracted but its doable. I need Midways, Bearcats and Sea Furies and I now need my missing 3000 Hellcats - but I will manage

Operation Coronet in on no more messing about I need to move and move now I need a base in range of the HI NOW.

Coronet is therefore getting a small change...

All forces will attack Toyohara no multi part fancy pants landing everything straight down the middle over the beaches right into whatever defences PZB has 18 Divisions in one massive landing - subtle it aint but so be it.

If PZB pulls a massive reinforcement of Toyohara I will switch targets and hit North Japan. Depending on which way I go 6th Army or 10th Army will spearhead.

But the fact is no messing about its gonna be a bloodbath well SO BE IT !!!!

General AndyMac AKA 'HAIG'

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 12:12:01 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		p..s all TF's are now ordered from Midway to Marcus where they will refuel for the last time.

(it also helps confuse PZB as to my target)

I was hoping to wait for another week to try and get more ships back on the line but that is a luxury I cannot afford 

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/11/2007 12:22:56 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		I dont want to play the way I am suggesting I am going to I want to land assault Corps and follow on forces in a properly constituted landing but dont see this as a choice any more I hate what the game is making me do...

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Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 12:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		YOu will like it more, when your sledge hammer hits the Japanese defences.
You are a specialist in bloodbaths, so you have much more experience in committing everything and loosing lots of it.

PzB will have garrisoned Japan quite good, so expect 1000AV behind level 9 forts. Can you land 9000 AV in one turn?

After the landing reppus won´t hurt you too much. Just put all your levelbomber on airfield attack and destroy every airfield around. Don´t forget to bring 400 Aviation support and a lot of Corsairs with you while landing. Thunderbolts won´t hurt either. And dont forget the medium bombers you have.

While attacking Japan, don´t forget to get Bonins. It won´t hurt to have more airfields to attack Japan´s industry.
Please try to interdict all troop transport into mainland Japan. I am quite sure PzB will bring each and every unit to defend the home islands. From China, from Phillippines, from whatever he still possesses. He might be able to build endless masses of planes, but he will be short on ships somewhen.


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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 1:02:04 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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I can land about 6,000 AV but only 3,000 AV is assault loaded so if I am facing 1,000 AV begind level 9 forts and PZB divides all his Divs to minimise my ground attack strikes I will struggle.

But so be it its time to roll the dice

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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 1:17:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just do your attacks in Burma and Malasya. Would it be possible to do some feints at other bases, Hongkong or Okinawa.
How many ships has PzB left? Is it possible he could disturb your landings?
Maybe a trap to lure his fleet remnants out of their holes and sink them?
Can you attack at Iwo Jima and get the Bonins? Maybe you should just land a small part of your force on Iwo and clean the place. Then you can support your landing with B29 raids.
Could you attack Bonin more easily than Iwo Jima? maybe that would be the way to go.

How are your victory points? Have you reached a draw yet?

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Don't give future objectives in post title!!!! - 6/11/2007 1:22:22 PM   
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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 1:28:33 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Well after I clear up the Camranh bay pocket I will have more forces available for other missions.

However supply is an issue I am down to 250k and I need all that for finishing of the pocket and keeping the B29's supplied

A convoy with 300k supplies is en route but the Aussies and Yanks of the Malaya Army have worked hard and need a months break before future operations

Iwo is now well supplied with 2,000 AV behind lvl 9 forts and its mountainous so thats 18,000 adjusted AV no way no how is it falling If I threw the entire mobile US Army onto that island it is impregnable.

I only keep my forces there to make PZB keep his army there as well. After I have Toyohara I will probably evacuate my forces.

Bonin is also well garrisoned.

Re PZB's fleet he still has a strong surface TF and at least one carrrier

VP's I am now about 4,000 ahead 86:82k in order to draw I will need to have 1.75x PZB's VP's so I have a lot to do

Andy

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Why not Manila? - 6/11/2007 1:29:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

It's not fair, PzB could not miss it even if he wants to. And how to ignore it once you have read it.


As a matter of fact PzB should read it! It is free to him to believe whatever he wants.
Telling Andy he would get Reppus in a short time is about the very same, isn´t it?

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RE: Why not Manila? - 6/11/2007 1:32:13 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		A little false intel never hurt anyone !!!

PZB has a fair idea where I am going its either left right or straight up the middle !!!


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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 1:33:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Well after I clear up the Camranh bay pocket I will have more forces available for other missions.

However supply is an issue I am down to 250k and I need all that for finishing of the pocket and keeping the B29's supplied

A convoy with 300k supplies is en route but the Aussies and Yanks of the Malaya Army have worked hard and need a months break before future operations

Iwo is now well supplied with 2,000 AV behind lvl 9 forts and its mountainous so thats 18,000 adjusted AV no way no how is it falling If I threw the entire mobile US Army onto that island it is impregnable.

I only keep my forces there to make PZB keep his army there as well. After I have Toyohara I will probably evacuate my forces.

Bonin is also well garrisoned.

Re PZB's fleet he still has a strong surface TF and at least one carrrier

VP's I am now about 4,000 ahead 86:82k in order to draw I will need to have 1.75x PZB's VP's so I have a lot to do

Andy



Is it possible for him to destroy your forces on Iwo? This would bring lots of points for him.

YOu are doing quite good in Burma. DO you think you can finish PzB off there?


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RE: Why not Manila? - 6/11/2007 1:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

A little false intel never hurt anyone !!!

PZB has a fair idea where I am going its either left right or straight up the middle !!!





You should not have made your plans so clear to him!

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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 1:46:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Na as long as I keep them supplied I have 1200 AV on the island plus lvl 4 forts and mountainous terrain as long as I supply he cannot kick me off either.

I hope he tries !!!

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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/11/2007 11:46:16 PM   
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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/12/2007 9:07:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is the japanese unit north from Shikka do?

Your plan sounds quite good, but bears a high risk imho.
Why don´t you land both armies at Toyohara? This would give you a much better chance to occupy it fast, then you can do your landing in Japan main islands. If both of your armies won´t succeed fast, you will loose the war.
So my plan would be:
Take out the airfields at Paramushiro and Etorofo
Build enough large bases in Alaska to repair damaged ships, put ARs, AEs and ASs there
Bring about 500000supply points into Alaskan bases with large ports
Then take the very large hammer and get Toyohara and the small islands.
Clear Toyohara and Shikka of enemy units (can one force Soviet activation this way?)
Bring with you lots of fighters and medium bombers.
Watch Sovietunion and make use of Sovietbases with your medium and longrange bombers (or do you have houserules against that?)
After conquering Toyohara and Shikka level Northern Japans industry.
the next step would then be to land at Ominato, to cut off all Japanese units in Hokkaido.

< Message edited by Frank -- 6/12/2007 9:19:50 AM >

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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/12/2007 5:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect the units in the non base hexes are there to stop landings in non base hexes.

I probably will land both armies Frank but as its not an atoll I will land them sequentially in case 10th Army can get the job done alone.

If Paramushiro is lightly guarded I will try to take it but in reality its to far out to make a fighter base so I will take several of the 0 bases and set masses of Seabees to upgrade them to lvl 1.

It will take time but it can be done.

Toyohara is a good target because it is a plains hex so it is the obvious target.....perhaps to obvious....

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RE: Why Hongkong? - 6/12/2007 7:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		More to follow tonight but it looks like I was PZB'd again.......

B29's fragged on the runway... more to follow when I return from home

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RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/12/2007 8:07:38 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		OK how to talk about today...

Well it started ok I ran over a sub that identified my amphibs... not a great start...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/28/45

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ASW attack at 64,53

Japanese Ships
SS RO-50, hits 18, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AK Pierre Victory
AK Luxemburg Victory
AK Hastings Victory
LCI LCI-796
LCI(G) LCI(G)-540
MSW Execute
MSW Ardent
MSW Dour
MSW Diploma
MSW Device
MSW Design
MSW Density
MSW Devastator
DE McNulty
DE Leslie L. B. Knox
DE George A. Johnson
DE Doherty


Then I lose another sub....

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Sub attack at 66,44

Japanese Ships
PC Amami
PC PC-104
PC PC-83

Allied Ships
SS Billfish, hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

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Oh look I launch 390 B29's at Bases in japan and get yup you got it 1 hit....night bombing is a waste of time...


Night Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 24
C6N1-S Myrt x 56
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
C6N1-S Myrt: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-61A Black Widow: 15 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-61A Black Widow bombing at 2000 feet
6 x P-61A Black Widow bombing at 2000 feet
8 x P-61A Black Widow bombing at 2000 feet
5 x P-61A Black Widow bombing at 2000 feet
5 x P-61A Black Widow bombing at 2000 feet
7 x P-61A Black Widow bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 24
C6N1-S Myrt x 53
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
C6N1-S Myrt: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 60,41

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 5
C6N1-S Myrt x 10

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 110

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
C6N1-S Myrt: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
16 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet




The daylight arrrives my SCTF clears out Iwo !!!

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Charles Badger
DD Tingey
DE Vammen
DE Rolf
DE William Seiverling

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AP Ryusei Maru, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Charles Badger
DD Tingey
DE Vammen
DE Rolf
DE William Seiverling

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AG AG-116, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-117
AG AG-5032
AG AG-5069
AG AG-5090, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
AG AG-5117
AG AG-5138, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
AG AG-5143
AG AG-5162, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5188
AG AG-2088
AG AG-2529, Shell hits 37, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Charles Badger
DD Tingey
DE Vammen
DE Rolf
DE William Seiverling


Then that evil nasty sneaky JFB pulls another special on me....

This had me frothing at the mouth it was a great move never saw it coming the only reason the Black Widows were even there is because they were in transit to Marcus.

Looks like a nasty attack

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 284

Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 12 destroyed, 25 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-61A Black Widow: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 18 destroyed
TBM Avenger: 2 destroyed
Mosquito PR.IX: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
1466 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 17

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 99

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
11 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
8 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
5 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
10 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
14 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
11 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
15 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
14 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
7 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
7 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
10 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
5 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 11000 feet

Ohhh and it gets worse....

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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 18
F6F Hellcat x 5
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
TBM Avenger x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Odake
DD Kaba
DD Hatsuume

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 24
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 16

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 30
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 24 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 16 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Lunga Point
CVE Shipley Bay, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Shamrock Bay

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And thena carrier strike what I think is the last jap Carrier just unloaded her strike group at my CVE's and were beaten off

Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
D4Y Judy x 22
B7A Grace x 33

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 30
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
B7A Grace: 33 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged


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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 29
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 27 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 12 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Paducah Victory, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
DE Shelton, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
MSW Execute

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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 24


No Allied losses


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Day Air attack on TF at 27,54

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 24
Ki-100 Tony x 10
Ki-102a Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 6
P-38J Lightning x 9
P-47D Thunderbolt x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 6 destroyed
Ki-100 Tony: 5 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Uyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
5 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,54

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 20
Ki-100 Tony x 7
Ki-102a Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 20
P-38J Lightning x 29
P-47D Thunderbolt x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 21 destroyed
Ki-100 Tony: 9 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed
P-47D Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Okitu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Nagato Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
9 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack at 65,45

Allied Ships
SS Threadfin

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ASW attack at 95,55

Japanese Ships
SS I-401, hits 14, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Black
DD Anthony
DD Ammen
DD Taussig
DD Massey

OK now this was a REAL shock 1:1 ok my troops were out of supply but even so 1:1 the convoy is unlading everything it can as fast as it can I have 50,000 tonnes of supply on the convoy and its all unloading STAT !!!

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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 119428 troops, 1025 guns, 616 vehicles, Assault Value =
2247

Defending force 56764 troops, 491 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value =
1246

Japanese max assault: 2436 - adjusted assault: 2790

Allied max defense: 1060 - adjusted defense: 1945

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
5611 casualties reported
Guns lost 112
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
568 casualties reported
Guns lost 15
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Saigon

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 98091 troops, 641 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value =
2462

Defending force 49907 troops, 362 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 962


Japanese ground losses:
194 casualties reported



(in reply to Naskra)
Post #: 2129
RE: SAC Strikes Back !!! - 6/18/2007 6:01:48 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		OK Preparation continues PZB feels I am rushing and he is right but once the A6M8 arrives IMO he will be producing 700+ Reppus a month I need a base in range before this happens.

The fact that the game ends in March 46 and the allies get no additional units means that the allies are forced to strike.

I need 1.8x by March 46 using no more than 2 A Bombs just to get a draw....

If I had the BPF, Tiger Force, 1st Army, 8th AF etc etc all arriving plus Bearcats, Sea Furies and the missing 4,000 Hellcats etc etc then I would be more willing to attack say the PI or Okinawa or Formosa before attacking the HI. But the simple fact is a long campagn hurts me as I dont get replacement pilots or ships and PZB is outproducing me and the game ends in March 46

To do it properly I would need to the end of 46 minimum.

Joe/Don its surely a bug that RN ships stop counting down when Karachi/Bombay fall even if I retake them now I won't get the BPF and I really do need it !!!!

2 or 3 Armoured Carriers able to take a few Kamis would be worth their weight in gold right now not to mention the CVE's to replace my excruciating losses in this class of ship !!!!.

What has really put me off retaking India is that I dont get the RN even if I succeed.

(in reply to Andy Mac)
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