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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Ok.

You have to realize that I have about twice as much to say about most pages. I start with way too much text and then, like Hemingway , I pare the text down by going over and over it, removing everything I possibly can. Once I have it stripped to what I consider the naked core, I add some of the 'touches' back in. Still, there is so much more that could be added.

In the beginning of creating the tutorials, I decided that all the comments had to fit within the text column on the right. The space allocated for the text and the screen shots would be absolutely unchangeable. That has been a tough decision to live with - though I still feel it was the correct decision.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

This last tutorial almost seems to imply that HQ's are tertiary supply sources and cannot trace a rail supply path.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

People don't always agree with me, but more viewpoints to a subject you see, the better you can Grok it. ;)

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

In the screenshot the HQ's are secondaries because they can trace rail supply.  Good examples of Tertiary supply are almost always experienced in Africa actually.  The lack of rail lines makes them extremely easy to produce.  Europe is just a tangle of rail lines.

Great to hear someone out there has taken time to read one of Heinleins finest works.  I daresay I prefer Silverberg much more however...

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ORIGINAL: wosung
Maybe it's possible, to

1. have the maximum ranges of supply sub-paths depicted on the abstract supply graphics?

2. highlighten the described units and their supply paths on the tutorial pictures with a painting program? Sometimes they are hard to see, esp. on those pictures with higher unit density.

3. have a short additional list or graphic on page 13, which shows systematically what can fuction as primary, secondary, tertiary supply source?

Regards

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ORIGINAL: wosung
2. highlighten the described units and their supply paths on the tutorial pictures with a painting program? Sometimes they are hard to see, esp. on those pictures with higher unit density.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

2nd and last in series. As for all the pages of this tutorial, the screenshots and abstracts are by Patrice.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Second and last in series.

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ORIGINAL: flailen
I assume Option 12 Limited Access Across Straits is inactive for this screenshot? Or else wouldn't the units in Sicily be OOS as well? Since Sicily is in the Italian Coast sea area and separated from It by a straight, it will be subject the same as Sardinia with Lim OS Supply,.

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1. have the maximum ranges of supply sub-paths depicted on the abstract supply graphics?

2. highlighten the described units and their supply paths on the tutorial pictures with a painting program? Sometimes they are hard to see, esp. on those pictures with higher unit density.

3. have a short additional list or graphic on page 13, which shows systematically what can fuction as primary, secondary, tertiary supply source?

Regards

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen
Is it possible to show how the supply situation will look like during rain for this tutorial? It will be an interesting one indeed. :)

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Hmm.... hopefully ill manage to attach the image.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
It would be too hard.
Actually, when we did screenshots in different weathers, I did the screenshot with units under fair weather, and Steve did the screenshot without units under rain (or else) weather, because Steve has some mean to make the weather he wants happen on the map. I do not have this mean so I would have to setup a game, and wait for a rainy weather to happen to take my screenshot, which are not yet possible.
So, with my screenshot with units under fair weather, I had to put all the units on a new layer, paste Steve screenshot under this layer so that it looked like the units are on Steve's map. When there are only a dozen or so units this is possible even if long, but here it is not there are too many units. I spent a full day assembling this picture, this is very time consuming.

Now, its fairly easy to imagine what happens under rain weather.

Von Bock (the German 7(3)3 white print HQ north of the Pripet Marshes near the center of the screen) would still be in supply, by :
- Tracing 1 hex BASIC up to the Rudel Stuka (the one with the 5 circled in red)
- then tracing RAIL through the Railgun (the 6-1 with the 6 in a grey circle)
- tracing RAIL through the SS MTN DIV
- tracing RAIL through the 6-3 INF
- tracing RAIL through the word "Dvina"
- tracing RAIL to the south to Guderian HQ-A (the black print 6(4)5 HQ in the forest)
- then he would trace 1 hex BASIC to the west to the other railway, because his railway is blocked by Zoya's unopposed ZoC,
- from there he can trace RAIL uninterrupted up to Germany.

Guderian is in supply by the same uninterrupted railway, Mannerheim too.

Those in supply HQ would put nearly all the German Army in supply, except a few units too far away from them, like the 5-4 red circled JagdPanther Tank Destroyer unit and the dreaded 1st SS Panzer DIV on the other side of the river, a few units southwest from Zoya. Time would be ideal for Sturmoviks to Ground Strike the most advanced Panzer units, crush them. The 7-4 MTN in the north could also advance up to Kaunas (but it is itself OOS, so it would disrupt if it moved), but it would not be sufficient to cut supply.

The Russians would have all their first lines in Ukraine out of supply too, as Zhukov (8(5)4) is 4 hexes from them.

While the Germans on this shot look like in a desperate situation, theyr would still be a tough nut to crack if they know how to give some ground at the right moment, to shorten their line and block the units who have outflanked them. Sure, they should not wait too much to withdraw here.

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen
I wonder about the Russia 7-4 MTN. Couldn't this unit capture Kaunas by going SW+SE. Then the 6-4 MTN could capture Riga and beyond by going W+SW. The Russian unit NE of the 6-4 MTN could maybe capture the hex NE of Riga and also Parnu. With all these moves I guess it should be possible to have a rail line from Kaunas, Riga etc. back to Russia. Won't the minor country capitals then be able to supply the Russian units even in rain? Or have I forgotten something?

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Will the Russian 7-4 MTN unit become disorganized (because it's OOS at the beginning of it's turn) after it's move even though it will be in supply at the end of its turn?

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So what's worst for the 7-4 MTN, OOS and organized or disorganized and in supply? Will disorganized in supply only have 1 or 3 strength points or will they have normal strength and the attacker's only benefit is a +1 die modifier?

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Is the tutorial 12 screenshot taken from the 1944 scenario? I think the front lines look very much like the Summer of 1944 front lines.

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It is particulary poor on planes, as usually a 1944 map is more plane cluttered than here.

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ORIGINAL: bredsjomagnus

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Hmm.... hopefully ill manage to attach the image.

Well... obviously i didn´t.

How do I do that?

/Magnus

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ORIGINAL: bredsjomagnus
Ok. Trying again.

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ORIGINAL: bredsjomagnus
Ok. Trying again.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
The real downside to this is that I do not want to redo all the screen shots for the supply tutorial. (Nor does Patrice I am sure).