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beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 10:06:28 AM   
Joel Rauber

 

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Status: offline 		Artillery seems a little more lethal and trenches are more expensive.

I'm not sure what I think about the artillery, but I'd rather the trenches go back to obtaining 6 per industrial expenditure; particularly with artillery slightly more lethal look of the artillery.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 8:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The "base" value for artillery now starts at 1 instead of 0.  The reason for this was so that if you're firing a number of 3 strength artillery units at a level 3 or 4 trench you wouldn't cause any casualties at all.  Changing the base number to 1 lets you produce some very minimal results, an average of almost 1 strength per corps being bombarded.

The trench number was increased to 6 then back to 5.

In both cases its a 1 point difference.  I'd be interested in hearing if people would prefer "trench 5" over "trench 6" and whether they would prefer artillery to start at "base 0" or "base 1".

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 8:53:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd vote art base 1, trench 6.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 9:25:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd say art base 1, trench 6 as well.


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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 10:13:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		art base 1 and trench 6 seems best.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 10:21:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		greetings there, better artillery for 1 over 0 and trenches system that allow some casualties, so, trenches for 5 max over 6, favor the attacker is a must to some degree as the defender allways are to have some advantage and artillery points reserve for barrages i think it is way more expensive than trenches, some 2-1 or 3-1 for each industry point expenditure, so for me at least i find no problem with make artillery slighty more lethal,

great game, the exhausted levels and morale system pleased me very much, kind of warfare damage to nations at a pace that be more time on war and suffer casualties, i pleased these type of systems much as in real war and battles, trough all times there are very few cases that some nation fight to the last man, nations have a "casualty tolerance", limited and it is very well featured on the game,

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/21/2007 11:18:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		...Noone else built trenches to compare with those of the Germans in WWI. Considering the problems they have in the game a few specific rules such as allowing them to have 6 trenches(or even 7) vs 5 for the Allies may be in order. Artillery at a minimum of 'one' seems like a good idea to me as well.
...Playing the latest patch it seems the Allies are generally knocking out my trenches as fast as I can produce them, making trenches beyond '1' or '2' very hard to achieve. More trench points would be a help in achieving more historical trench systems on the Western Front.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/22/2007 1:19:31 AM   
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The trench number was increased to 6 then back to 5.




I'm a little confused, in beta.5 the trench number was 6 (One German industrial point bought 6 trenches)

in beta.6 the trench number is 4 from what I can tell (not 5). I.e. The germans expend one industrial point to get only 4 trenches.

As long as we are voting,

IMO, I'd like to see one industrial point purchase 6 trenches. The artillery base of 1 seems OK, if the trench number goes back up.

OTOH, the suggestion that maybe the Germans get 6, everyone else gets 5 may have some merit.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/22/2007 4:10:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes they did - the allies buolt very comparable trench systems by 1918....the gErmans just got there first - which is a measure of how much research you do into them - your choice.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/22/2007 4:43:29 PM   
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Yes they did - the allies buolt very comparable trench systems by 1918....the gErmans just got there first - which is a measure of how much research you do into them - your choice.


Good response, as you point out its a measure of the research, so lets leave it the same for all sides.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/22/2007 7:01:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a different issue.

Six times I've started games as the Entente and not once have the Germans come through Luxembourg and Belgium.

I like the idea that the AI can opt to go the non-historic route. It makes the game more interesting and increases replay value. But it seems strange that the Germans NEVER seem to come through Belgium. In fact, I would think that there should be a slight chance that they even go through Holland.

Frank, I assume that there's some sort of percentage calculation for the CP/AI to pick from the different setups. Are my results abberational or reflective?

Thanks.



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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/22/2007 8:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Germans through Belgium:

I've only played as TE twice, but same result -- germans don't go through Belgium -- of course, it taught me to go for broke against the Russians early, since I got smashed that way when played my first TE game!

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/23/2007 2:39:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Arty seems just about perfect, I think trenches should be back at 6 again though.   Even at 6 I found trenches very much a scarce asset.

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RE: beta 6 First impressions - 10/23/2007 7:45:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		we'd better be careful, we may be accidentally reaching a consensus on arty and trenches



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Artillery and trench values - 10/23/2007 9:15:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the base value of one, which artillery currently has. A trench value of six gets my vote.

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RE: Artillery and trench values - 10/23/2007 11:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		...The Germans seem to have the real problem with trenches, as their frontlines are easily twice as long as anyone elses. Getting six trenches would help their industrial production greatly. I think that 4 for 1 is quite sufficient for the allies as NOONE else in WWI ever approached the level of sophistication or the scientific construction, of the German trenchlines. At Verdun, for example, they had underground concrete bunkers that could hold up to a battalion of men in complete safety. During the war in France, the Germans constructed a complete trench system, then withdrew to it after completion, allowing the allies a free advance of some miles into low swampy land, overlooked by the German positions. The only problem in the game is that all nationalities on a side have access to the most advanced technology. Changing the trench production for some nationalities might better reflect historical reality.
...If, and when, the historical anomaly of the British AI failing to protect the North Atlantic is finally fixed, every German production point will become precious, and getting more 'bang for the buck' on the defensive will become necessary.  

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RE: Artillery and trench values - 10/24/2007 5:37:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats probably more a matter of R&D, Shawk...  The Entente didn't /want/ deep trenches.  They were perfectly capable of digging better trenches if they wanted to, fact was the generals actually ordered them not to, not wanting them to get too comfy.

The Entente were busy making tanks, not refining trenches.  Summed up by where the R&D goes.  Though trenches at 3 seem a must to cut down on arty casualties.

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RE: Artillery and trench values - 10/26/2007 8:31:21 AM   
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Frank, I assume that there's some sort of percentage calculation for the CP/AI to pick from the different setups. Are my results abberational or reflective?


Yes that's what is supposed to occur.  The AI will randomly pick from Moltke the Elder (Russia first), Schlieffen (France first) or Falkenhayn (attrition and knock out minors). 

6 trench and base 1 artillery seems to be the general mood.

Sorry for the long delay in getting back here, was out of town for a few days and then returned to find my internet connection dead for two more.


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RE: Artillery and trench values - 10/26/2007 7:44:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FrankHunter

 
6 trench and base 1 artillery seems to be the general mood.


I agree wholeheartedly


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