TOAW Championships

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

TOAW Championships

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Norm Koger's The Operational Art Of War III >> TOAW Championships

Page: [1]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

TOAW Championships - 11/24/2007 7:36:11 AM

DeadInThrench

Posts: 318
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: NE Pennsylvania, USA
Status: offline

I am curious if any thought has been given to this... a yearly TOAW Championships tournament.

The idea.... each and every scenario that is short enough (less than 30 turns?) and has at least 2 players sign up for the championship tourney, shall have such a tourney, with the winner determined by the process of a single elimination tournament.

No need for any prizes or anything... just a listing of who the champions are in each scenario. Of course, can always do a thing like in the Origins, etc, tournaments, charge an entry fee and maybe have a certificate that is mailed to the winner.

The thing about computer wargames.... hard to play them out in a four day convention like with Origins. However, the advantage, you don't have to have a convention to have a championship tournament.

Hmmm... one problem... scenarios are not necessarily balanced. But, this is easily solutioned by having each player bid on a side... giving this many or that many VP, with the higher bidder getting the side, but with that loss in VP.

Would be nice if Matrix sponsored something like this, because they are the publisher, but I guess there could be other possibilities (I would prefer Matrix).

Hmmm... guess scenarios of any length could have championships, with the caveat that there would have to be enough time to finish the games and ultimately determine a champion, in that one year time period (lol). Sheesh, I guess that would prohibit the 426 turn Sino-Japanese war.

More hmmm... yeah, probably something that would be kicked off at the start of each new year.

Comments?

DiT

P.S. IMO, Matrix should offer this in ALL their games. Would keep the interest there over the long span and thus continued sales of their games over a longer time.

Post #: 1

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/24/2007 12:31:08 PM

sPzAbt653

Posts: 9511
Joined: 5/3/2007
From: east coast, usa
Status: offline

Hmmm ... to be crowned the '2008 World Champion Fite Player' .... Good Morning America, Letterman, Leno ... maybe my own reality series! ...

(in reply to DeadInThrench)

Post #: 2

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/24/2007 4:05:28 PM

DeadInThrench

Posts: 318
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: NE Pennsylvania, USA
Status: offline

LOL..... for FiTE... you guys would be going at it maybe the entire year <g>.

One thing though, I like my idea of 'bidding' for a side. I have seen posts that the scenario right now is balanced in favor of the Germans. So, with bidding, whomever bid the most for the side would get it but with that many VP subtracted from his total... and that would tend to balance things. Matrix, or whomever might be running this tournament, would then not have to concern themselves with balance.

DiT

P.S. Actually, thinking about it some, don't think you guys would be done in a year or less <g>.

(in reply to sPzAbt653)

Post #: 3

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/24/2007 4:22:10 PM

Silvanski

Posts: 2506
Joined: 1/23/2005
From: Belgium, residing in TX-USA
Status: offline

if you wanna have a fast tournament with a lot of participants in a balanced scenario I'd suggest Anonymous Heroics

_____________________________

The TOAW Redux Dude

(in reply to DeadInThrench)

Post #: 4

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/24/2007 6:00:50 PM

vahauser

Posts: 1644
Joined: 10/1/2002
From: Texas
Status: offline

Another possibility for a tournament is the Blitzkrieg scenario (the 25-turn version).

One way to conduct a match is by using a "best two out of three" format. Using this format, each player would switch sides after each game, and use a coin flip if a third game is necessary.

_____________________________

(in reply to Silvanski)

Post #: 5

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/24/2007 7:08:15 PM

Veers

Posts: 1324
Joined: 6/6/2006
Status: offline

Gamesquad is in the middle fo a TOAW tournament right now. We're in the middle of round two of three, but each round is like a mini-tournament, with recognition for the best player in each round and then even more recognition for the best player in the whole tournament. Check it out at the GS TOAW Tournament Forum

_____________________________

To repeat history in a game is to be predictable.
If you wish to learn more about EA, feel free to pop over to the EA forums Europe Aflame Forums.

(in reply to vahauser)

Post #: 6

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 3:56:10 AM

SMK-at-work

Posts: 3396
Joined: 8/28/2000
From: New Zealand
Status: offline

Is 1 year long enough for FITE? Sounds more like the 4-year thing like the soccer, rugby & cricket world cups.....even that might not be long enough for a couple of rounds....:)

< Message edited by SMK-at-work -- 11/25/2007 3:57:01 AM >

(in reply to Veers)

Post #: 7

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 8:36:57 AM

DeadInThrench

Posts: 318
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: NE Pennsylvania, USA
Status: offline

I hadn't ever looked at either the Blitzkrieg (I have the orignal AH boardgame buried away somwhere... got the nickname 'Sitzkrieg' because the original rules did not allow for any exploitation.... but then there was the mod from SPI) or the Anonymous Heroics scenarios, and they would make for nice tournaments, but why limit a tourney to any specific scenario? Just let everyone sign up (for $5 or maybe just $2) for whatever scenario they are interested in and, if someone signs up for 'The Invasion of Lower Slobobia', and nobody else does, well, then THEY are the champions of that scenario and get the certificate of the championship for that scenario for that year, and get listed with the other champions in the forums.

Hmmmm.... IMO would have to limit it to the released scenarios and well-done user developed scenarios available elsewhere (like, the Franco-Prussian War scenario I got from Rugged Defense).

The thing is, why try to force players to play this scenario or that? Instead, let em play whatever scenario they are interested in.

Hmmm.... yeah... might get a fair number of cases where just one player signs up. But, if nobody is willing to take em on in that scenario, well, they DESERVE to be the champion in it.

DiT

(in reply to Silvanski)

Post #: 8

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 9:00:35 AM

DeadInThrench

Posts: 318
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: NE Pennsylvania, USA
Status: offline

I am not denying the significance of tournaments along the lines you mention. However, I remember playing in a Star Fleet Battles tournament at the east coast wargame convention one year, and I believe there were like 32 players (the guy that ran it only expected 16... yeah, I managed to win that one <g>), but then the next year I showed up at Origins and the Star Fleet Battles tournament was being run by the publisher, Task Force Games (I believe) and there were 256 players (!). Actually, I believe there was actually a bit more than that and they made ends meet one way or another.

The point here, is there is significance to an 'official' tournament that is beyond what any independant tournament can give.

Also, IMO an official tournament would not be something in lieu of independant tournaments and in fact, they would prosper probably even more than they would otherwise, if for no other reason players practicing for the official tournament.

I really don't know why Matrix and other publishers don't learn from the Origins, etc, tournaments, and take what is there and put it online and thus allow it to go on over months of time.

Hmmmm.... lastly, as far as the GameSquad tourney, do they have one on the Franco-Prussian War scenario? What about the Seven Weeks War or Russio-Japanese War scenarios? Serbia-Galicia? Operation Torch? Smolensk 41?

I don't think so, and THOSE are the scenarios I am interested in right now and, I am sure everyone else has certain scenarios that they are particularly interested in as well.

Whatever,

DiT

(in reply to Veers)

Post #: 9

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 11:46:12 AM

vahauser

Posts: 1644
Joined: 10/1/2002
From: Texas
Status: offline

DiT,

What a tournament must be is as fair and balanced as possible. And that means that all of the exisitng pre-designed TOAW scenarios are unacceptable for a tournament. Why? Because some players are more experienced with some scenarios than others, and using those scenarios in a tournament will give some players an automatic advantage.

If you truly want a fair and balanced tournament, then the tournament should have a special tournament scenario that is custom designed for that tournament only. The special tournament scenario should be along the lines of the Blitzkrieg scenario and only released to participants at the start of the tournament so that nobody has an advantage (other than inherent talent and skill with TOAW in general).

The tournament should also have a team (three is a good number) of highly qualified and impartial referees/judges to serve as moderators and rules arbitrators.

_____________________________

(in reply to DeadInThrench)

Post #: 10

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 1:44:07 PM

Trick37_MatrixForum

Posts: 172
Joined: 8/10/2007
From: My mama
Status: offline

I would support a championship, although I haven't challenged anyone yet (my schedule doesn't allow me too m uch free time right now).

I scanned through the "Fite" rules, and it seems a bit restrictive to me. I prefer minimal, if any, restrictions.....

_____________________________

(in reply to vahauser)

Post #: 11

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 6:02:10 PM

DeadInThrench

Posts: 318
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: NE Pennsylvania, USA
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: vahauser

What a tournament must be is as fair and balanced as possible.� And that means that all of the exisitng�pre-designed TOAW scenarios are unacceptable for a tournament. Why?� Because some players are more experienced with some scenarios than others, and using those scenarios in a tournament will give some players an automatic advantage.

Sorry but that argument is absurd. That's like saying, well, you can't have a TOAW tournament at all because, some players are more experienced with the game.

Uh, in case it was not obvious, I was not suggesting that anyone be expected to play any scenario they are not interested in. Essentially there would be a separate championship for each scenario that ANYONE was interested in. So, there isn't any problem in using the existing scenarios, and in fact you would WANT to do this because that is what the players are playing.

As far as scenarios not necessarily being balanced, the idea of 'bidding' for a side takes care of that.

DiT

(in reply to vahauser)

Post #: 12

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 6:14:29 PM

vahauser

Posts: 1644
Joined: 10/1/2002
From: Texas
Status: offline

DiT,

If you are crowning individual scenario champions, then that is not the same as a TOAW champion. The only way to crown a true TOAW champion is to have a scenario that is played by all tournament participants.

_____________________________

(in reply to DeadInThrench)

Post #: 13

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 7:40:16 PM

DeadInThrench

Posts: 318
Joined: 12/27/2006
From: NE Pennsylvania, USA
Status: offline

vahauser...

That is correct... and I entitled this thread championshipS, and the basic idea is to treat each scenario that has at least one player is interested in it as a separate game with a separate championship. With over 200 released scenarios and at least 100 good user developed scenarios, this might seem difficult but, along the lines of my suggestion, it would really be quite easy.

If you wanted an overal TOAW championship, then yeah, your points are valid, though something like the Blitzkrieg or Annonymous Heroics scenarios would probably work.

Hmmm... yeah... I guess you could do both.

Of course, whether my suggestion would work or not, would all depend on how many players are out there playing the scenarios and how many would be interested in a tournament on the scenario(s) they are playing. I think there would be a fair amount that would be interested but, I don't really know.

DiT

(in reply to vahauser)

Post #: 14

RE: TOAW Championships - 11/25/2007 10:47:41 PM

SMK-at-work

Posts: 3396
Joined: 8/28/2000
From: New Zealand
Status: offline

Come to think of it waht yuo need for a tournament is the tutorial scenario - it 'small enough to be able to play a few rounds in a year, & of course perfectly balanced! :)

(in reply to DeadInThrench)

Post #: 15