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WitP or WiF? - 12/6/2007 11:51:20 PM   
SLAAKMAN


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Status: offline 		How many of you WitP enthusiasts will consider playing World in Flames when completed or how many of you play the boardgame version now? (Im a recruiter in training).

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/6/2007 11:57:10 PM   
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I have the boardgame and will get the computer game, no doubt.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/6/2007 11:59:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, sounds very likely... But it should be WitP AND WiF.

< Message edited by Terminus -- 12/7/2007 12:01:42 AM >

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:00:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Played the boardgame since it arrived, wont bother with the computer version.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:01:17 AM   
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Yeah, sounds very likely... But it should be WitP AND WiF.


You played the boardgame?!?!?


< Message edited by Mynok -- 12/7/2007 12:09:19 AM >

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:06:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll take a look at MWiF when it comes out. It looks like it has potential.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:06:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, it was made in OZ about 20 years ago, we played 5/6 sided games. i liked the basic games and found many of the add ons a waste.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:07:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had the boardgame years ago.  I didn't really like the sea "regions".  It just didn't work for me.  Not sure about the computer game.  Need to do some research.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:09:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still own the boardgame, but I don't have the room to set it up.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:09:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Yep, it was made in OZ about 20 years ago, we played 5/6 sided games. i liked the basic games and found many of the add ons a waste.


Sorry...I meant Terminus and you snuck that post right in there.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:11:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a long time WiF fanatic, our board game group played it regularly for years and even travelled back east to play in a WiF tournament in 1997. I'll buy the game sight unseen and am sure I'll enjoy it. But it's a whole different kettle of fish than WitP. WiF could never satisfy my need for detail the way WitP does. Multi-player PBEM games will shine in WiF, that's where the real enjoyment will come from.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:11:42 AM   
Terminus


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mynok


quote:

Yeah, sounds very likely... But it should be WitP AND WiF.


You played the boardgame?!?!?



No, but I've been following the WiF forum, and it sounds interesting.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 12:21:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been playing the boardgame for years consistently and will probably buy it when it comes out. I'm rather a newbie at WitP though

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 1:31:22 AM   
Andrew Brown


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Status: offline 		I used to play a lot of WiF, up to the 5th edition or so. But for me it "jumped the shark" when they started adding Engineers and what-not. They don't belong in a game of this scale, in my opinion.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 1:51:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have the boardgame as well and plan on buying the computer version as soon as its released.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/7/2007 1:58:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Never played the boardgame but the computer game looks very interesting. I'll likely get it but will probably wait a few weeks after release before I decide for sure - I think I want to check out some AARs & forum response first to get a better feel for it.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/8/2007 10:20:48 PM   
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quote:

I'm a long time WiF fanatic, our board game group played it regularly for years and even travelled back east to play in a WiF tournament in 1997. I'll buy the game sight unseen and am sure I'll enjoy it. But it's a whole different kettle of fish than WitP. WiF could never satisfy my need for detail the way WitP does. Multi-player PBEM games will shine in WiF, that's where the real enjoyment will come from.

Check this out; www.GDG.de The details just made a quantum leap.

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I used to play a lot of WiF, up to the 5th edition or so. But for me it "jumped the shark" when they started adding Engineers and what-not. They don't belong in a game of this scale, in my opinion.

Doh! The addons are the reason that I decided to try it.  Luv those fighters!

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 12/8/2007 10:23:56 PM   
SLAAKMAN


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Status: offline 		Available space can be a problem for WiFers and WitPers as well so Im trying to find the capital to start a club with a permanent pbem (Vassal or Cyberboard) system dedicated to keep a game going perpetually. Anyone with a sustainable location who can allocate a large room available can contact me here.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 1/2/2008 8:11:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Played it for many years with a group of friends, it was a great game to play.  Looking forward to the computer version, they had a demo out some time ago before they handed it over to Matrix Games.

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RE: WitP or WiF? - 1/2/2008 9:15:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I fear for Computer WIF. I have not been following the forum but I did follow the game and have the demo from before Matrix took over. The problem is that WIF relies hugely on player interaction. At many stages you can interfere in someone elses turn. CAP, Interceptions, air missions etc. etc. So unless they change the mechanics of the game quite significantly I don't see how this will work well against a human opponent(s). And lets face it the AI would be mindboggling difficult to make even tolerably decent.

And if they change the mechanics significantly then why make computer WIF at all? Why not just a global turn based WW2 game and not be tied to its design decisions and constraints? Computers can handle odds, supplies and individual unit data on a scale far beyond the most complex boardgame. So why restrict these aspects to merely how WIF does? What really made WIF was the playing against human opponents not its CRT and pieces. The Computer version can only reproduce the latter. Any half way decent game needs to play to the computers strengths.

Sadly the quest for a decent global WW2 game will continue, a sort of Heart of Iron but turn based/good, will go on after this one is released....

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