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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/5/2007 7:11:17 PM   
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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/12/2007 9:47:44 PM   
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While someone may take the time to let us know on this forum whether Master Edition WiF is out, this isn't the actual forum for it, so if you're poking around here with bated breath, at the very least don't hold it.


So where is the actual forum for "Master World in Flames"? Everytime I try the link, it is dead.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/13/2007 7:06:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The http://www.gdg.de/ link? It works fine for me. That leads to the company website. I do not know if they have a forum or not for discussing MasterWiF. If you are on the wifdiscussion Yahoo! group, you might ask around there or sort through its archives.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/14/2007 12:43:06 AM   
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Hi Tom, there is no pre-order list set up for Master Edition yet and I would not expect it for a few years at best.  You can find the most updated information on the German Design Group web site.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/14/2007 3:24:11 AM   
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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/21/2007 9:22:15 PM   
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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/22/2007 9:25:23 PM   
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Well it sounds like WiF meets Europa. Just better with the WiF engine.


Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! I was wondering if anyone here was going to notice the obvious. Good eye abj. You win the Slaak Quote of the Millenium award! Now go out there and find me a large warehouse to set up both games!
(Of course we'll be using the "Slaak Historical Options" Variant).







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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/22/2007 11:07:54 PM   
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Well it sounds like WiF meets Europa. Just better with the WiF engine.


Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! I was wondering if anyone here was going to notice the obvious. Good eye abj. You win the Slaak Quote of the Millenium award! Now go out there and find me a large warehouse to set up both games!
(Of course we'll be using the "Slaak Historical Options" Variant).

It seems you might be a possible customer for the full world map at unified scale (10 feet high by 17 feet wide).

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/23/2007 12:42:09 AM   
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It seems you might be a possible customer for the full world map at unified scale (10 feet high by 17 feet wide).

Now why would I question the obvious?

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/24/2007 6:23:54 AM   
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Yeah I enjoyed playing Europa but space was a huge factor for me way back then (you know... the dark ages as I am older than dirt). However my two car garage doesn't really need to keep a car in it. It may be time to add AC, Heat and a map to it.

@Steve
So 10'x17' is the final fix on the full scale map. When will he be able to start taking orders, or will that be through Matrix? BTW has the cost for the full scale map been determined?

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/24/2007 6:47:56 AM   
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Yeah I enjoyed playing Europa but space was a huge factor for me way back then (you know... the dark ages as I am older than dirt). However my two car garage doesn't really need to keep a car in it. It may be time to add AC, Heat and a map to it.

@Steve
So 10'x17' is the final fix on the full scale map. When will he be able to start taking orders, or will that be through Matrix? BTW has the cost for the full scale map been determined?

What? Someone is seriously interested? I'll try to give Fernando a call then and get him off the dime on the first mock up.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/24/2007 11:06:05 PM   
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What? Someone is seriously interested? I'll try to give Fernando a call then and get him off the dime on the first mock up.


Yessir, and I also am seriously interested. Have been since I first mentioned it, so long ago... I know a printed map has been low on the priority list because there are indeed so many more important matters on this project. Nevertheless, it would be nice.

Anthony DeChristopher

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/26/2007 6:25:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it would be great too especially for getting an overall feel for the game and strategic planning. Besides I always wanted a map room for the war. Very Roosevelt if you know what I mean?  

By the way, is there any possibility of printed MWiF counters?

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/26/2007 7:21:21 PM   
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I think it would be great too especially for getting an overall feel for the game and strategic planning. Besides I always wanted a map room for the war. Very Roosevelt if you know what I mean?  

By the way, is there any possibility of printed MWiF counters?

The MWIF unit depcitions are pretty faithful reproductions of the ones from WIF FE by ADG. There are perhaps a few small improvements on some of the land units, but the air, naval, and special unit counters use the actual comptuer graphics that were used to print the WIF FE counters.

Well, maybe the MWIF fort counters are improvements. And I guess for some of the generic counters (e.g., partisans) MWIF has color specific counters for each country, while WIF FE has a single color partisan unit. Actually, I haven't really done a detailed side-by-side comparison.

When released, the MWIF bitmaps for the counters will be in 100 by 100 pages, but those do not have any numbers on them. So, I do not think you will be able to print the counters from the screen, en masse. And there is always the problem of getting the size right when translating from a computer bitmap to the printed page.

If I were doing this (going to play WIF FE using the full MWIF map), I would use the WIF FE counter sheets. They can be purchased from ADG spearately (I believe).

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/27/2007 1:10:28 AM   
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[So 10'x17' is the final fix on the full scale map. When will he be able to start taking orders, or will that be through Matrix? BTW has the cost for the full scale map been determined?

What? Someone is seriously interested? I'll try to give Fernando a call then and get him off the dime on the first mock up.



Count me in on this one. If a printed map is available, I would certianly buy one, but I donot actually need a printed map. If the game has a way to download the game-map as a graphics file, I have access to a 60" plotter. That way I can print the hexes as large or as small as I choose. Computer games are rather a tertiary activity for me; I much prefer large multi-player board games with five to ten players, so I would pay the price for the game just to have access to a bit-map of the game-map. I have always found it a nuisance that the Pacific Theatre and the European Theatre are at different map scales.


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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/27/2007 1:31:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		you could perhaps jump-start the map project by selling the Asia/Pacific maps first, or maybe just a set covering an area roughly Sakhalin/New Zealand/Tasmania/Aden/Suez/Perm ... that area would be the one that sells the most if you could purchase separate sheets.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/27/2007 2:37:34 AM   
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[So 10'x17' is the final fix on the full scale map. When will he be able to start taking orders, or will that be through Matrix? BTW has the cost for the full scale map been determined?

What? Someone is seriously interested? I'll try to give Fernando a call then and get him off the dime on the first mock up.



Count me in on this one. If a printed map is available, I would certianly buy one, but I donot actually need a printed map. If the game has a way to download the game-map as a graphics file, I have access to a 60" plotter. That way I can print the hexes as large or as small as I choose. Computer games are rather a tertiary activity for me; I much prefer large multi-player board games with five to ten players, so I would pay the price for the game just to have access to a bit-map of the game-map. I have always found it a nuisance that the Pacific Theatre and the European Theatre are at different map scales.



Taking the map off the screen (or downloading as a graphics file) is not really feasible. However, I will have to produce a printable file for company that does the printing for AMtrix Games. If Matrix agrees, that file might be available.

The way I did the test section was to take screen shots (68 I think) and then Patrice assembled them into one very large bmp file (or was it a jpg?). In my earlier discussions with the printer, he was planning on printing the enitre map in strips, and we were still trying to decide on vertical or horizontal strips. Another open question was where to make the break points. That will have to be decided for the wrap-around portion too.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/27/2007 8:02:34 PM   
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Wow, I just had an idea. I could build a metal cylinder, ten feet high with a seventeen foot circumference, mount the map onto it, put it in the middle of my great room and use magnetic counter clips to play. That would certainly give the concept of a global conflict

Of course, my spousal unit is quite likely to take umbrage with this idea; however, I might be able to bribe her with that new Harley she has been asking about for the past few years. A rather expensive enterprize just to play a game, but what the heck is money for if not to entertain.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/27/2007 8:10:48 PM   
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Wow, I just had an idea. I could build a metal cylinder, ten feet high with a seventeen foot circumference, mount the map onto it, put it in the middle of my great room and use magnetic counter clips to play. That would certainly give the concept of a global conflict

Of course, my spousal unit is quite likely to take umbrage with this idea; however, I might be able to bribe her with that new Harley she has been asking about for the past few years. A rather expensive enterprize just to play a game, but what the heck is money for if not to entertain.


Not a 17 foot diameter. A 5.4 foot diameter is all you need to achieve a circumference fo 17 feet.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 4:15:37 AM   
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Wow, I just had an idea. I could build a metal cylinder, ten feet high with a seventeen foot circumference, mount the map onto it, put it in the middle of my great room and use magnetic counter clips to play. That would certainly give the concept of a global conflict

Of course, my spousal unit is quite likely to take umbrage with this idea; however, I might be able to bribe her with that new Harley she has been asking about for the past few years. A rather expensive enterprize just to play a game, but what the heck is money for if not to entertain.


Not a 17 foot diameter. A 5.4 foot diameter is all you need to achieve a circumference fo 17 feet.


That sounds like an awesome project. You'd have to be VERY precise though. It would suck if you did all the work and it was a couple inches too big or too small.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 4:32:25 AM   
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Count me in on this one. If a printed map is available, I would certianly buy one, but I donot actually need a printed map. If the game has a way to download the game-map as a graphics file, I have access to a 60" plotter. That way I can print the hexes as large or as small as I choose. Computer games are rather a tertiary activity for me; I much prefer large multi-player board games with five to ten players, so I would pay the price for the game just to have access to a bit-map of the game-map.

Hail Yeah! A man after my own heart! A 10-12 player Global Campaign with my own special historical variant would be supreme. Now somebody get out there and locate a warehouse with a kitchen & a jacuzzi!


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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 4:32:26 AM   
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Wow, I just had an idea. I could build a metal cylinder, ten feet high with a seventeen foot circumference, mount the map onto it, put it in the middle of my great room and use magnetic counter clips to play. That would certainly give the concept of a global conflict

Of course, my spousal unit is quite likely to take umbrage with this idea; however, I might be able to bribe her with that new Harley she has been asking about for the past few years. A rather expensive enterprize just to play a game, but what the heck is money for if not to entertain.


Not a 17 foot diameter. A 5.4 foot diameter is all you need to achieve a circumference fo 17 feet.


That sounds like an awesome project. You'd have to be VERY precise though. It would suck if you did all the work and it was a couple inches too big or too small.

-Ubercat

I wonder about allowing for heat expansion of the cylinder in the summer and contraction in the winter.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 5:22:34 AM   
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Now somebody get out there and locate a warehouse with a kitchen & a jacuzzi!



What...no wet bar?

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 6:54:29 AM   
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Now somebody get out there and locate a warehouse with a kitchen & a jacuzzi!



What...no wet bar?

Perhaps he is a BYOB type of person. Though the set up would seem to justify a cover charge.

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 7:28:45 AM   
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Now somebody get out there and locate a warehouse with a kitchen & a jacuzzi!



What...no wet bar?

Perhaps he is a BYOB type of person. Though the set up would seem to justify a cover charge.


LOL

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 7:39:41 AM   
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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 4:48:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		My wife has encouraged me to frame and hang my set of WiF maps in the game room.  They are beautiful.

However, as much as I would like to do so, I can't see myself devoting 170 sq. ft. of wall space. 

BUT...

What I would like to see is an atlas style booklet with color maps in it.  This could be useful in hotseat games and also for pondering strategies when the computer is otherwise engaged.

Furthermore, while we are dreaming....

There is an inexpensive reporting engine for Delphi that natively produces PDFs. Wouldn't it be great to be able to produce map images at the press of a button so you could email them to yourself for lunch-break at work?

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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 5:03:17 PM   
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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 6:24:01 PM   
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RE: WiF Master Edition - 12/28/2007 6:24:41 PM   
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Wow, I just had an idea. I could build a metal cylinder, ten feet high with a seventeen foot circumference, mount the map onto it, put it in the middle of my great room and use magnetic counter clips to play. That would certainly give the concept of a global conflict

Of course, my spousal unit is quite likely to take umbrage with this idea; however, I might be able to bribe her with that new Harley she has been asking about for the past few years. A rather expensive enterprize just to play a game, but what the heck is money for if not to entertain.


Not a 17 foot diameter. A 5.4 foot diameter is all you need to achieve a circumference fo 17 feet.


That sounds like an awesome project. You'd have to be VERY precise though. It would suck if you did all the work and it was a couple inches too big or too small.

-Ubercat

Or perhaps make the map out of a heat shrink plastic and mount it on a ball put it on a pole and tilt the axis. A MWiF globe eh!

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