Slitherine

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Each side receives a random number of between 1 and 6, adding one if a British fleet is present on that side, adding one for having 1.5 times more heavy ships than the other, subtracting one if a side consists solely of light ships and subtracting one if a Prussian and/or an Austrian fleet is present on that side (these modifiers may cancel each other if both are present in the same stack). The random
number is compared to the Naval Combat Table and the result is the percentage of that side’s number of ships, which number of ships the other side must remove as losses.

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Random Number Modifiers:
+1: British fleet on the side
+1: For having 1.5 times more heavy ships than the other
-1: If a side consists solely of light ships
-1: Austrian/Prussian fleet on the side

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ORIGINAL: Ashtar

Even more important: too much political points are gained/loss in naval combat!

Original EIA had single type fleets of 30 factors capacity, and naval combat was rewarded with 1 pp per fleet.

EIANW has light and heavy fleets, respectively with 10 and 20 factors capacity, so approximately 2 EIANW fleets makes up for 1 EIA fleet.
But naval combat it is still worth 1pp per fleet.
For consistency reasons, I think you should change it to 1/2 pp per fleet (if I remember correcvtly, EIH had light and heavy ships too, but regrouped in single fleet withs 10 light and 20 heavy factors capacity for a 30 maximum total factors).

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ORIGINAL: Ashtar

...Prussian or Austrian looking for a Navy.

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ORIGINAL: Ashtar
b) I am British, and this gives me an automatic +1, so I do not need to have 1.5 more Heavy ships then my opponents. I just need to be sure he has not 1.5 more then me, pretty easy given my initial huge number of them (76). So why should I buy more Heavy fleets?

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ORIGINAL: Ashtar

I am not sure it is a good idea to limit the maximum naval combat bonus between +1 and -1.

While this may slightly limit the British power on the seas, it strongly reduces the incentive in building Heavy ships:

a) Much of the naval battles will see the British involved

b) I am British, and this gives me an automatic +1, so I do not need to have 1.5 more Heavy ships then my opponents. I just need to be sure he has not 1.5 more then me, pretty easy given my initial huge number of them (76). So why should I buy more Heavy fleets?

c) I plan to bring Naval war to the Britain. Getting this 1.5 advantage is terribly expensive, but I do not have to worry about him getting it, since it is no use to him? So why buy Heavy ships? It is enough to have one of them in every stack just to avoid the -1 penalty on my side.

d) I am a folly Prussian or Austrian looking for a Navy. Why I should bother to buy Heavy ships at all if I have -1 by default?

In particular, the bonus in any British vs. Austria/Prussia naval battle does not depend at all on Heavy ships...

Could you please consider deleting this limit in some future patch?

Thanks

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ORIGINAL: Ashtar

Even more important: too much political points are gained/loss in naval combat!

Original EIA had single type fleets of 30 factors capacity, and naval combat was rewarded with 1 pp per fleet.

EIANW has light and heavy fleets, respectively with 10 and 20 factors capacity, so approximately 2 EIANW fleets makes up for 1 EIA fleet.
But naval combat it is still worth 1pp per fleet.
For consistency reasons, I think you should change it to 1/2 pp per fleet (if I remember correcvtly, EIH had light and heavy ships too, but regrouped in single fleet withs 10 light and 20 heavy factors capacity for a 30 maximum total factors).

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ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

It's a pity something akin to the advanced naval rules published in the General magazine was not attempted. Those rules were much nicer, although obviously with some balance issues of their own (lack of "real" rock-paper-scissors effect in the naval chits); however the addition of hulks was very satisfying, and the chit choosing and morale for naval combat made it thematically consistent with land combat.

That however is well beyond the scope of additon to the game at this point one imagines.

The original naval system of EiA, and by inheritance the naval system of EiANW is really painful to anyone who knows anything about period naval warfare. It has always been a terrible weak point of the game.

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ORIGINAL: Murat

Again heavy fleets, light fleets and pp losses were EiH rules. You need to have a limit or else it would never be practical to attack British ships and game balance would be lost. Letting them get a +2 on a d6 is a HUGE advantage. Trafalgar could never be attempted and Britain would be safe for the entire game, something no other nation could claim.

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Murat:
Again heavy fleets, light fleets and pp losses were EiH rules.

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Murat:
You need to have a limit or else it would never be practical to attack British ships and game balance would be lost. Letting them get a +2 on a d6 is a HUGE advantage. Trafalgar could never be attempted and Britain would be safe for the entire game, something no other nation could claim.

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Jimmer:
I would agree with this idea. However, I think it would still be OK to cap the kills at 25%, and not let them go below 5% (as per the current table -- I believe). In other word, change the wording to "1 or lower" and "6 or higher", rather than "0-1" and "6-7" as it is now.