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ORIGINAL: sajbalk

The changes are certainly acceptable. I was just thinking about all those US subs basing there without fear of being overrun in a surprise invasion.

Thanks for all your excellent work on the project.

I shall submit my map input when you get to N.America.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Talking about places that rarely see combat, here are the Fiji, Samoa, Phoenix, Tonga, Ellice Islands, who are just east of the Solomon and the Gilbert.

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How about straightening out some of these sea area boundaries?

What I have in mind is moving the boundary from Baker --> Rotuma one hex to the NorthWest along its entire length (still going through Tumiloto), and
moving the boundary from Rotuma to V. Levu northwards so that the three all sea hexes in the middle of the boundary are no longer in the Polynesia sea area.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

The change of Pago Page from clear to mountain terrain is pretty major...

What caused the change?

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

The change of Pago Page from clear to mountain terrain is pretty major...

What caused the change?

It was jungle, but good catch, I did not pay attention to it.
Well, by looking at Google Earth, it seems that this island can be either Mountain, as it is mostly mountainous, or something more flat, maybe jungle.
I don't think the terrain of Pago Pago is really relevant, I nealy never saw it under fire. Once, but it was out of supplied and unoccupied, so being mountain or jungle would have been the same, it was worth 0 combat factors. Once also I saw the Japanese navy blockading an US Navy who fled here after the loss of Pearl Harbor, but with no invasion threat.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

The change of Pago Page from clear to mountain terrain is pretty major...

What caused the change?

It was jungle, but good catch, I did not pay attention to it.
Well, by looking at Google Earth, it seems that this island can be either Mountain, as it is mostly mountainous, or something more flat, maybe jungle.
I don't think the terrain of Pago Pago is really relevant, I nealy never saw it under fire. Once, but it was out of supplied and unoccupied, so being mountain or jungle would have been the same, it was worth 0 combat factors. Once also I saw the Japanese navy blockading an US Navy who fled here after the loss of Pearl Harbor, but with no invasion threat.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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How about straightening out some of these sea area boundaries?

What I have in mind is moving the boundary from Baker --> Rotuma one hex to the NorthWest along its entire length (still going through Tumiloto), and
moving the boundary from Rotuma to V. Levu northwards so that the three all sea hexes in the middle of the boundary are no longer in the Polynesia sea area.

Good idea. I looked at the big picture, and moving those sea area borders do not seem to have secondary effects.

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Here are the French Polynesia archipelago next... The only units that are likely to come here are Convoys on CW and US Convoy lines.

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I like to try to get as many French naval units to Tahiti as is feasable before the fall of France, so that my Free French fleet is buffed as much as possible. Am i doing it the hard way?

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I have seen Pago Pago invaded by Japan several times in CWiF play.
Since MWiF is in the same scale it could become important.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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I have seen Pago Pago invaded by Japan several times in CWiF play.
Since MWiF is in the same scale it could become important.

First thing, an US player worth his name, would always have some kind of land unit in Pago Pago, denying the auto invasion that the Japanese could mount on the opening turn of the Pacific War.
Second thing, Pago Pago was also a mountain hex in CWiF, the map was not changed in between.

In fact I was wondering what point you wanted to make lomyrin, whether having Pago Pago be a Mountain be good, or bad, or not that much important.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
Looking at both maps I just posted, I think that Mindoro is too large now .

Here is my last try at improving the various inner islands.
What do you think ?

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ORIGINAL: SurrenderMonkey

Definitely to many usable islands between Hawaii and Midway, IMHO. Take a look at the WitP map - I think the only usable piece of ground is French Frigate Shoals, and it is extremely marginal at best. Johnston Island is due west, and much more viable. What's that west of Midway, between Midway and Wake?

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

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ORIGINAL: SurrenderMonkey

Definitely to many usable islands between Hawaii and Midway, IMHO. Take a look at the WitP map - I think the only usable piece of ground is French Frigate Shoals, and it is extremely marginal at best. Johnston Island is due west, and much more viable. What's that west of Midway, between Midway and Wake?

I'd like to ask if anything has been done to eliminate from play islands too small to host an airstrip, a concern first raised in 2006 (Post 9)? War in the Pacific makes the distinction between islands and atolls, and at this new detailed scale I think MWiF should too.

The problem with putting in extra islands and atolls is that each new one reduces the imperative of capturing focus-hexes like Midway. The reason Midway was important was that it was the only airstrip in air range of Hawaii. This doesn't seem to be the case any more.

SurrenderMonkey mentioned French Frigate Shoals. Their sole involvement in the war was during the Midway operation when a Japanese submarine carrying avgas was tasked to rendez-vous there with two Emilies, and refuel them for a reconnaisaance of Pearl Harbor. The task was aborted when the submarine found there was an American seaplane tender there.

French Frigate Shoals is just a reef whose 'platform' is submerged a hundred feet. There is a rock sticking out of the water and that is about it. Millitarily it is totally useless so shouldn't appear on the map in any functional role. I reckon the other 'islands' between Midway and the Hawaiian Islands are even less significant.

The smallest island of military significance (defined as being large enough for an airstrip) is Wake. Mayfair Games published a delightful little game on the two invasions of triangular Wake, where the airstrip took up the whole of one side of the triangle, the other two being arms only a few yards wide. It is the only game I have played where PanAm staff get stuck into the fight!

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

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ORIGINAL: SurrenderMonkey

Definitely to many usable islands between Hawaii and Midway, IMHO. Take a look at the WitP map - I think the only usable piece of ground is French Frigate Shoals, and it is extremely marginal at best. Johnston Island is due west, and much more viable. What's that west of Midway, between Midway and Wake?

I'd like to ask if anything has been done to eliminate from play islands too small to host an airstrip, a concern first raised in 2006 (Post 9)? War in the Pacific makes the distinction between islands and atolls, and at this new detailed scale I think MWiF should too.

The problem with putting in extra islands and atolls is that each new one reduces the imperative of capturing focus-hexes like Midway. The reason Midway was important was that it was the only airstrip in air range of Hawaii. This doesn't seem to be the case any more.

SurrenderMonkey mentioned French Frigate Shoals. Their sole involvement in the war was during the Midway operation when a Japanese submarine carrying avgas was tasked to rendez-vous there with two Emilies, and refuel them for a reconnaisaance of Pearl Harbor. The task was aborted when the submarine found there was an American seaplane tender there.

French Frigate Shoals is just a reef whose 'platform' is submerged a hundred feet. There is a rock sticking out of the water and that is about it. Millitarily it is totally useless so shouldn't appear on the map in any functional role. I reckon the other 'islands' between Midway and the Hawaiian Islands are even less significant.

The smallest island of military significance (defined as being large enough for an airstrip) is Wake. Mayfair Games published a delightful little game on the two invasions of triangular Wake, where the airstrip took up the whole of one side of the triangle, the other two being arms only a few yards wide. It is the only game I have played where PanAm staff get stuck into the fight!

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The quick and dirty way to do this is to make them mountain terrain, since air units can not base in mountains. I guess we could add a new terrain type to cover this, but that would be a lot of work.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Midway is about 25 hexes away from Honolulu, meaning it is too far (in WiF) for pretty well every land-based plane that is likely to see action in that area (I just checked the posted map on page 1 and counted hexes ).

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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The quick and dirty way to do this is to make them mountain terrain, since air units can not base in mountains. I guess we could add a new terrain type to cover this, but that would be a lot of work.

This was already done in some key island chains, such as the Bonin and the Marianas, where we nearly have the same number of possible places to base planes.

This said, I would love if we had an "Atoll" terrain type in the game. It would only allow to stack 1 seaplane, and nothing else (no land unit, no ships).
I already said that ? Really ?

The only work it would need would be :
- Make the Graphic artist draw something recognisable, especially noting that only a small portion of that drawing will be shown, as 95% of the hex will be covered with water.
- Change the map data and transform some islands in Atoll. This I can do easily and gladly .

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This said, I would love if we had an "Atoll" terrain type in the game. It would only allow to stack 1 seaplane, and nothing else (no land unit, no ships).

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
My copy of WitP is packed away somewhere in my roof-space, but if someone is willing to do the code-conversion work, I would be happy to try and find WitP and pass on the names of the atolls they identified.