Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

The results of tonight's work:

For accuracy, each of British Guyana's and Dutch Guyana's resource hexes should be moved one hex eastwards along the coast.

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Ndola copper 13%
Algeria coal
Belgian Congo diamonds 63%!
Brazil bauxite (move to 2N Sao Paulo)

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Chile: I cannot find anything near Arica in extreme north.  Chile produced 18% of the world's copper from three big fields, so recommend move Arica resource to 1NE Antofagusta and label all three resources 'copper'.

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China 78,146 (if moved to Tsingkow, which should be renamed Haichow) phosphates

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Cuba manganese 2% (no, cigars are not a war materiel, unless you are a Former Naval Person)
Peru antimony 3%

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South Africa 148,56 gold
South Africa 155,53 diamonds

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Northeastern resource in Pennsylvania (next to the A) is coal.

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The mountain hex in West Virginia is coal too.

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Pittsburgh is iron, but I am not sure if both of them are iron.

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ORIGINAL: Norman42
Some Soviet resources:

Karaganda USSR = Coal Fields
Kerch USSR = Iron Ore
Kursk USSR = Iron Ore/Phosphates
Magnitogorsk USSR = (surprise) Iron Ore
Stalinsk USSR = Coal Fields

Some Balkans:

Greece = Bauxite(Aluminim)
Bulgaria = Lead/Zinc
Forest Yugoslavia = Copper
Mountain Yugoslavia = Chromium
Hungary = Bauxite(Aluminum)
Turkey = Chromium (both resources, though the eastern one really should be 2 hexes further east)

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Patrice, I am not sure why you chose to label Charlestown West Virginia.

Because it is the capital of the State.
I placed all States' capitals on the map, as well as some other famous cities.
Charlestown is both, famous and a capital of State.

Ok. I figured that out.

But the famous Charlestown is in South Carolina.

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
Metz iron

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
Essen coal
Hanover iron
Saarbrucken coal
Katowice coal

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
So the question is: do you want to move the resource symbol to be copper or silver from Cerro de Pasco, or accept antimony, whose site is definitely identified as Puno?

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

Algeria: coal

Can you provide a list of resources yet to be determined?  I'll have a look at Spain now.

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

Spain: 1E Vigo tungsten 1% (or tin <1%)
1SW Bilbao iron <1%
1NW Almeiria: zinc 3% (some iron too, but since Bilbao is definitely iron and Spain was not a significant producer, recommend zinc)

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'Morena': lead 2%
CORRECTION: 'Morena', Spain, mercury 28%.

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Portugal: tungsten 7%

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Norman42
With regards to the 'showing the resources' issue, I think it is a bit of information overkill since the information is irrelevant to gameplay. I think it should only be shown on a hex fly-out data panel or something, or *only* visible at zoom 8 (if someone cares enough to wonder about the resource present they can zoom in for data).

Well, that's a good idea.
Why not have those informations writen in a "special font size" (for example size 1), and have some code that would say : all text defined in size 1 don't appear on the map, but instead appear in a fly-out after the mouse has been hovering the hex for 1 second ?

And also : Why not having the text that appears on the map in a given hex (any text, be it a river name or a city name), also appear in a fly-out too after the mouse hover the given hex for 1 second ? Then, texts written in size 1 (as a "special font size" as defined above) would also appear in a fly-out.

The text in the fly out would be written in a standard font size.
If there are multiple texts in the hex, then all appear one below the other.

Also, this could be turned off as a game interface option.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Fort William has 26k inhabitants in 1935 (31k in 1944) and Port Arthur has 20k inhabitants in 1935 and 24k in 1944, this does not warrant a city. I agree that Sudbury with its 32k inhabitants in 1944 do not warrant a city either, but this one was added to keep the supply level reflected by the WiF FE original map North of Lake Huron.

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Yes, but it is supply starved on the WiF FE America map too, so for consistency reasons, it has to be the same level of supply IMO on the MWiF map.

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If I tell you that originaly the resource on the WiF FE maps was on the railway junction from Fort William and Winnipeg, what do you think it could be ? Still lumber ?

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Well, Noranda / Rouyn is not around Mont Laurier, it is on the Quebec-Cochrane railway (on a southward spur), I'd say 2 hexes east of Cochrane. At least on my 1944 Collier Atlas map. I agree though that it is a Copper Mine.
Before moving this resource in Noranda, I would like to know something : Originaly (on the WiF FE maps), this "Prembroke" resource is placed 1 hex west of Ottawa, 1 hex northeast of Toronto. Do you see what it could be ? If you see nothing, I might move it to Noranda, but this is quite far away from the original position.

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5. Western Canada resource - This would represent an amalgamation of all of Alberta's Livestock, Grain, and Oil production. As these sites were spread out across the province no single location is any better.
OK, so no specific type of resource. Say it is "Mixed".

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Biisk USSR

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ORIGINAL: Norman42

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Biisk USSR

I can't even find this city (in Atlas or on MWiF maps) does it have another name?

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On my 1974 Minerals in Spain map, I see Lead and Iron NW of Almeria. Are you sure about Zinc ? Zinc I see E of Bilbao only.

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One thing though. What kind of material was Spain shipping to Germany during WWII ? Does anyone know ?

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ORIGINAL: Norman42
Hmm, I'm not sure where you are getting your data from, but having been a citizen of Fort William/Port Arthur for 27 years, I can tell you your numbers are way off.

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Yes, but it is supply starved on the WiF FE America map too, so for consistency reasons, it has to be the same level of supply IMO on the MWiF map.

With the changes in map scale and cities added to other supply starved areas in China/USA/USSR I think "consistancy" is not enough of a reason to exclude a key supply depot.

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If I tell you that originaly the resource on the WiF FE maps was on the railway junction from Fort William and Winnipeg, what do you think it could be ? Still lumber ?

That junction is the location of the Atikokan Mines, but really the forestry industry was a much larger portion of resources in this region and still is today.

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Well, Noranda / Rouyn is not around Mont Laurier, it is on the Quebec-Cochrane railway (on a southward spur), I'd say 2 hexes east of Cochrane. At least on my 1944 Collier Atlas map. I agree though that it is a Copper Mine.
Before moving this resource in Noranda, I would like to know something : Originaly (on the WiF FE maps), this "Prembroke" resource is placed 1 hex west of Ottawa, 1 hex northeast of Toronto. Do you see what it could be ? If you see nothing, I might move it to Noranda, but this is quite far away from the original position.

Correct, the Noranda region is not exactly at the Mt Laurier area, but it is the closest railhead point to the resource. Close enough for arguments sake at least, I'd put the resource 3 hexes north west of Mt Laurier, in the clear hex on the Cochrane/Quebec Railway, or even closer if you dont mind adding the railway spur. The Noranda-Rouyn Mining Complex had 63 seperate mines in 1944, one of the most mineral rich areas in the world. As far as the Pembroke area, there are no significant resources of any magnitude, some small mining operations, some dairy and produce crops, nothing really major. Noranda far outweighs the Pembroke area for resource output.

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5. Western Canada resource - This would represent an amalgamation of all of Alberta's Livestock, Grain, and Oil production. As these sites were spread out across the province no single location is any better.
OK, so no specific type of resource. Say it is "Mixed".

"Mixed" sounds right, though I would be tempted to put the resource a couple hexes eastwards so its in the plains not the mountains. The Alberta plains is where the vast majority of AB's resource wealth is (Livestock, Grain, Oil). The Alberta mines in the mountains were far less developed during the war, mostly consisting of small gold claims.

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On my Collier Atlas 1940 map, it is about 1/3rd of the direct (straight line) distance between Cochrane & Mont Laurier. All three location are on a (imaginary) straight line.

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

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On my 1974 Minerals in Spain map, I see Lead and Iron NW of Almeria. Are you sure about Zinc ? Zinc I see E of Bilbao only.

My map is global so detail is poor, but the zinc may have come from a hex or two east of the resource hex ... difficult to tell.

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One thing though. What kind of material was Spain shipping to Germany during WWII ? Does anyone know ?

Germany was desperate for iron ore. Main supplier was Sweden, followed by France, and I think Spain was third. The trouble is that since Spain produced <1% iron, a second iron resource hex isn't justified, how ever great Germany's need may have been. Zinc at 3% must have been more significant: think batteries, then think of submarines, then think of the priority given to the U-Boat war.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Well, look at the attached picture.
It shows the original WiF FE map, and the out of supply hexes are darkened. You see that there is a large piece of Ontario that is out of supply north of Lake Superior. Adding Sudbury for example was done to obtain the supply status that the original maps have thanks to Toronto and Ottawa. With the new scale, all the area north of Lake Huron would be out of supply. Nearly all the additional cities that were added to China / USA / USSR were added to restore the supply state of the original map, with credible means. Adding Sudbury is credible. Adding Fort Williams / Port Arthur would be credible too, in regards to the population number and supply hub nature of the area during WWII, but it would put in supply a huge part of the territory that should be out of supply normaly. So, what to do ? I prefer to keep the changes to a minimum, and CWiF originaly did not have a city here, so I prefer not to add one.

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That junction is the location of the Atikokan Mines, but really the forestry industry was a much larger portion of resources in this region and still is today.

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So, leaving the resource where it is is the best ?

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On my Collier Atlas 1940 map, it is about 1/3rd of the direct (straight line) distance between Cochrane & Mont Laurier. All three location are on a (imaginary) straight line.

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"Mixed" sounds right, though I would be tempted to put the resource a couple hexes eastwards so its in the plains not the mountains. The Alberta plains is where the vast majority of AB's resource wealth is (Livestock, Grain, Oil). The Alberta mines in the mountains were far less developed during the war, mostly consisting of small gold claims.

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I prefer to leave it as is, as it is placed the same on the WiF FE maps.

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ORIGINAL: Norman42

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Well, look at the attached picture.
It shows the original WiF FE map, and the out of supply hexes are darkened. You see that there is a large piece of Ontario that is out of supply north of Lake Superior. Adding Sudbury for example was done to obtain the supply status that the original maps have thanks to Toronto and Ottawa. With the new scale, all the area north of Lake Huron would be out of supply. Nearly all the additional cities that were added to China / USA / USSR were added to restore the supply state of the original map, with credible means. Adding Sudbury is credible. Adding Fort Williams / Port Arthur would be credible too, in regards to the population number and supply hub nature of the area during WWII, but it would put in supply a huge part of the territory that should be out of supply normaly. So, what to do ? I prefer to keep the changes to a minimum, and CWiF originaly did not have a city here, so I prefer not to add one.

It just seems odd to me to leave a key area of Canada the size of Spain out of supply, when in reality it had extensive commercial and military traffic, multiple cities, many lake ports that had large volumes of traffic, shipyards that built frigates and corvettes (Port Arthur Shipbuilding Co.), many main railway lines and excellent highways and airports, and as well, a fairly high population and industrial output compared to some other areas in the world that are "in supply" (looking at China and Russia and many South American areas here). Changes have been made on the map to represent the "reality on the ground", especially the Americas map due to scale changes and input that showed rectifications were needed. This seems like a definite candidate for a correction to the reality as it was. Its not really a significant war operations area, so the issue isnt a large one, but if you do want accuracy on the maps, it should be looked at. If the sanctity of keeping the WiFFE edition maps the same is more important then so be it.

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Biisk

From: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition | Date: 2007

Biisk see Biysk , Russia.