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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 1:34:41 AM   
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Here are the resources not yet identified (with directions as to where they are).

Clear 65,299 USA (2 hexes SW of Chicago) Coal, very large deposits around Peoria and Springfield
Clear 64,296 USA (W Des Moines) Coal, although it is more SE of Des Moines then W
Clear 69,293 USA (SW Kansas City)Coal, Oil, and LOTS of foodstuffs
Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though
Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one
Forest 71,307 USA (NW Knoxville) Hex west of Knox = Coal
Mountain 65,310 USA (W Pittsburg) If this is the east of Pittsburg resource, then Coal
Clear 68,306 USA (SW Colombus, Ohio) If this is the SE of Columbus resource, then Coal (not much else there)
Forest 72,306 USA (E Knoxville)Hex NE of Knox = Zinc
Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.
Mountain 68,284 USA (2 hex SW Denver) Molybdenum (huge source)
Mountain 66,278 USA (E Salt Lake City) Lead, or alternatively, move 1hex SW of SLC and Copper/Gold
Mountain 67,269 USA (W Reno, Sierra Nevada) Move 1hex SE of Reno/CarsonCity = Magnesium
Clear 55,296 USA (NW Duluth) Iron (The Iron Range Mountains are here)
Clear 71,299 USA (SE Saint Louis) Lead, large deposits S of StLouis
Mountain 74,304 USA (NE Birmingham, SW Chattanooga) Move it into Birmingham hex = Iron, or Coal where it is.
Clear 51,64 USSR (SE Voronezh) Iron and Titanium are the closest resources here
Clear 43,62 USSR (E Moscow) Phosphates, large deposites E of Moscow
Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)
Forest 39,88 USSR (W Sverdlovsk) Copper
Kokand USSR (3 hex SE Tashkent) Sulphur
Forest 42,87 USSR (2 hex NE Ufa, Urals) Phosphates (also Nickel and Magnesium here)



Added in my research in red.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 3:05:48 AM   
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Here are the resources not yet identified (with directions as to where they are).

Clear 65,299 USA (2 hexes SW of Chicago) Coal, very large deposits around Peoria and Springfield
Clear 64,296 USA (W Des Moines) Coal, although it is more SE of Des Moines then W
Clear 69,293 USA (SW Kansas City)Coal, Oil, and LOTS of foodstuffs
Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though
Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one
Forest 71,307 USA (NW Knoxville) Hex west of Knox = Coal
Mountain 65,310 USA (W Pittsburg) If this is the east of Pittsburg resource, then Coal
Clear 68,306 USA (SW Colombus, Ohio) If this is the SE of Columbus resource, then Coal (not much else there)
Forest 72,306 USA (E Knoxville)Hex NE of Knox = Zinc
Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.
Mountain 68,284 USA (2 hex SW Denver) Molybdenum (huge source)
Mountain 66,278 USA (E Salt Lake City) Lead, or alternatively, move 1hex SW of SLC and Copper/Gold
Mountain 67,269 USA (W Reno, Sierra Nevada) Move 1hex SE of Reno/CarsonCity = Magnesium
Clear 55,296 USA (NW Duluth) Iron (The Iron Range Mountains are here)
Clear 71,299 USA (SE Saint Louis) Lead, large deposits S of StLouis
Mountain 74,304 USA (NE Birmingham, SW Chattanooga) Move it into Birmingham hex = Iron, or Coal where it is.
Clear 51,64 USSR (SE Voronezh) Iron and Titanium are the closest resources here
Clear 43,62 USSR (E Moscow) Phosphates, large deposites E of Moscow
Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)
Forest 39,88 USSR (W Sverdlovsk) Copper
Kokand USSR (3 hex SE Tashkent) Sulphur
Forest 42,87 USSR (2 hex NE Ufa, Urals) Phosphates (also Nickel and Magnesium here)



Added in my research in red.

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Thank you. Could you please check my earlier statement that Pittsburgh itself has iron? I gave that answer without looking it up. The Coal in NE Pennsylvania I have seen numerous times with my own eyes. And the coal mines in West Virginia still make headlines with cave-ins periodically.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 8:38:08 AM   
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Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 11:06:03 AM   
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Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though

Isn't there Tin where the resource is placed ?
I have tin here on a 1970 map.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 11:07:03 AM   
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Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

Thanks. I just assumed the steel city (Pittsburgh) would have iron ore nearby. I wonder where it comes from.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 11:28:07 AM   
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Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one

I have Tin in this area too.
Also, this resource originaly was not here (someone on the forums convinced me of moving it here), it was placed 2 hexes SE of San Jose. In that position, I see Chrome on my map. I think we should have left that resource at its place and identified it as Chrome, what do you think ?

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 12:00:28 PM   
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Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.

This one is in the Black Hills on the original WiF FE map. On a 1912 US map, I see the word "Tin" written in this place. Is this possible that there is tin inthe Black Hills around Billings (in the east, southeast of Billings, between Billings and Rapid City) ?




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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 12:20:22 PM   
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Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)

I prefer not to move it, as this is a critical area of the European map. SE of Tiflis, can't it be Manganese too ?
Edit : I have a map from 1982 about Coal and Major Minerals in Russia, and it show Manganese both NW and SE of Tiflis.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 6:00:25 PM   
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Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

Thanks. I just assumed the steel city (Pittsburgh) would have iron ore nearby. I wonder where it comes from.


from Encarta:

The iron and steel industry originated in southeastern Pennsylvania near the state’s iron ore deposits. As coke, made from bituminous coal, replaced charcoal as a blast-furnace fuel, the industry moved westward to the Pittsburgh area. Here, bituminous coal was close at hand and iron ore could be shipped in cheaply from the Lake Superior region and abroad. Pittsburgh’s industrialized area later expanded throughout much of southwestern Pennsylvania.


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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 6:48:16 PM   
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Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though

Isn't there Tin where the resource is placed ?
I have tin here on a 1970 map.


On my maps (1934, 1943, 1948) I see no Tin shown, so perhaps that was a later developement.

The Spokane area looks like this:

...................Pb/Zn...............
..........................................
....Mg..................................
..............Spokane.............................Pb/Ag/Zn
..............................W..........


The Magnesium to the northwest looks like the largest deposits, the Tungsten to the immediate SE looks like minor deposits.

The Lead/Zinc deposites to the north are substantial(closer to the Canadian border). The Lead/Silver/Zinc deposits to the far east are actually in the Idaho panhandle (appx 3-4 hexes east) and are the real resources in this area. The bitteroot Range in Idaho is a sustantial mining complex.

So really this resource can be one of many. The Mg to the west I found to be the closest substantial one.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:03:50 PM   
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The Lead/Silver/Zinc deposits to the far east are actually in the Idaho panhandle (appx 3-4 hexes east) and are the real resources in this area. The bitteroot Range in Idaho is a sustantial mining complex.

I'm interested in the latest, as this is what correspond the best to the RP placed on the original WiF FE map. Also you say that this is "sustantial mining complex".
Where would you place it on this map ?




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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:08:26 PM   
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Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one

I have Tin in this area too.
Also, this resource originaly was not here (someone on the forums convinced me of moving it here), it was placed 2 hexes SE of San Jose. In that position, I see Chrome on my map. I think we should have left that resource at its place and identified it as Chrome, what do you think ?



I have no Tin on any of my maps in this (Los Angeles) area, however as you say 2 Hexes SE of San Jose (the original location) there are extensive Mercury and Asbestos deposits and also some minor Chromium. I think the original location is more accurate, and judging by the size of the deposits I'd say they look like Mercury 60%, Asbestos 20%, Chrome 20%.
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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:22:36 PM   
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Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.

This one is in the Black Hills on the original WiF FE map. On a 1912 US map, I see the word "Tin" written in this place. Is this possible that there is tin inthe Black Hills around Billings (in the east, southeast of Billings, between Billings and Rapid City) ?





Rechecked all my maps and I see no Tin at all in the Billings region, perhaps the mines were depleted by WW2. I think a key error here is, the Black Hills aren't in Montana(Billings) at all, they are in South Dakota (at Rapid City). The Black Hills have extensive Gold and Silver deposits ("Thar's Gold in them thar hills!").

My recommendation is to move the resource out of Billings and put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City. This would entail moving the resource 1hex SE and 1hex E (to the spot printed "Bla" of Black Hills) and add a 1 hex Railway spur going to it. This resource would then be Gold.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:23:50 PM   
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Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)

I prefer not to move it, as this is a critical area of the European map. SE of Tiflis, can't it be Manganese too ?
Edit : I have a map from 1982 about Coal and Major Minerals in Russia, and it show Manganese both NW and SE of Tiflis.



Fair enough, it is fine as Manganese where it is.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:29:45 PM   
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The Lead/Silver/Zinc deposits to the far east are actually in the Idaho panhandle (appx 3-4 hexes east) and are the real resources in this area. The bitteroot Range in Idaho is a sustantial mining complex.

I'm interested in the latest, as this is what correspond the best to the RP placed on the original WiF FE map. Also you say that this is "sustantial mining complex".
Where would you place it on this map ?





Move it one hex east of its current location. This would be The lead, silver, and zinc deposits in the Idaho Panhandle centered around Wallace Idaho (tiny town, but the middle of this mining district).

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:48:31 PM   
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Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

Thanks. I just assumed the steel city (Pittsburgh) would have iron ore nearby. I wonder where it comes from.


from Encarta:

The iron and steel industry originated in southeastern Pennsylvania near the state’s iron ore deposits. As coke, made from bituminous coal, replaced charcoal as a blast-furnace fuel, the industry moved westward to the Pittsburgh area. Here, bituminous coal was close at hand and iron ore could be shipped in cheaply from the Lake Superior region and abroad. Pittsburgh’s industrialized area later expanded throughout much of southwestern Pennsylvania.



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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 7:58:28 PM   
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My recommendation is to move the resource out of Billings and put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City. This would entail moving the resource 1hex SE and 1hex E (to the spot printed "Bla" of Black Hills) and add a 1 hex Railway spur going to it. This resource would then be Gold.

So, look at the attached map.
One things worries me. You say "put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City", and the place you designate is not Rapif City. Look where I placed Rapid City. Am I wrong ?

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Move it one hex east of its current location. This would be The lead, silver, and zinc deposits in the Idaho Panhandle centered around Wallace Idaho (tiny town, but the middle of this mining district).

Look at Wallace. Is it good here, as Lead ?




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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 8:02:24 PM   
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My recommendation is to move the resource out of Billings and put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City. This would entail moving the resource 1hex SE and 1hex E (to the spot printed "Bla" of Black Hills) and add a 1 hex Railway spur going to it. This resource would then be Gold.

So, look at the attached map.
One things worries me. You say "put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City", and the place you designate is not Rapif City. Look where I placed Rapid City. Am I wrong ?

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Move it one hex east of its current location. This would be The lead, silver, and zinc deposits in the Idaho Panhandle centered around Wallace Idaho (tiny town, but the middle of this mining district).

Look at Wallace. Is it good here, as Lead ?




I think that what is wrong here, is that I should label the mountains SE of Billings "Bighorn Mountains", and the "Black Hills" are the forested area NW of Rapid City indeed.
Is the resource still right ?

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 8:20:24 PM   
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I think that what is wrong here, is that I should label the mountains SE of Billings "Bighorn Mountains", and the "Black Hills" are the forested area NW of Rapid City indeed.
Is the resource still right ?

Corrected.
Is the position of the resource still OK (as "Gold"), or should it be moved a few hexes toward Rapid City (love that name), so that it is in the Black Hills ?

Is the resource near Spokane OK as "Lead" ?





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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 8:28:36 PM   
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Krivoy Rog iron
Kersch iron
1SE Tiflis copper (at Alaverdi)

The copper isn't a huge deposit compared to seven other major sites in the USSR (together producing only 5% of the world's output pre-war), so if you want to stretch a point and call it manganese in deference to the huge mine at Chiatura (half-way between Tiflis and the Black Sea), that's fine by me.  The Soviet Union produced 44% of the world's manganese pre-war from just two fields: this one and 1SW Berdiansk (near Stalino).

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 9:01:36 PM   
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Corrected.
Is the position of the resource still OK (as "Gold"), or should it be moved a few hexes toward Rapid City (love that name), so that it is in the Black Hills ?

Is the resource near Spokane OK as "Lead" ?



-The Wallace looks good now, though I wouldn't name it Wallace (Wallace has about 2000 population, it was just a referance point for the area). I'd call it Bitterroot Mines = Lead. That way it encompasses the entire mining region.

-For the Black Hills resource, you are correct, the forest area there is closer to the real location of the Black Hills. My recommendation is this: Move the resource 1hex NW of Rapid City, change that one hex from forest to hills (the Black Hills are very rugged with 2000+ meter peaks). The resource would be Gold.

For fun you could even add "Mount Rushmore" label to the hex South West of Rapid City. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be the Axis capture of Mount Rushmore! Was it completed pre-WW2?




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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 9:26:13 PM   
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-The Wallace looks good now, though I wouldn't name it Wallace (Wallace has about 2000 population, it was just a referance point for the area). I'd call it Bitterroot Mines = Lead. That way it encompasses the entire mining region.

I only name the place as a reference point, so I think that it is OK.

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-For the Black Hills resource, you are correct, the forest area there is closer to the real location of the Black Hills. My recommendation is this: Move the resource 1hex NW of Rapid City, change that one hex from forest to hills (the Black Hills are very rugged with 2000+ meter peaks). The resource would be Gold.

Good. I moved it west of where you said, so that it is not that close to Rapid City. However, I can't change the terrain for the hex, as there is the river graphic on in (unless Steve tells me that the underlying terrain can be changed regardless of the river graphic). However, the Black Hills seems quite far from real mountains, and there are places on the map where we put forest to simulate rugged terrain not as accidented as a real mountain. So maybe it is goo as it is ?

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For fun you could even add "Mount Rushmore" label to the hex South West of Rapid City. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be the Axis capture of Mount Rushmore! Was it completed pre-WW2?

Great Idea.
However, it is not on the hex SW, it is in the same hex, as it is in South Dakota as Rapid City, and very close to Rapid City.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 9:52:15 PM   
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Chengtu China 1 Coal
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Coventry United Kingdom 1 Iron
Essen Germany 1 Coal
Hanoi Indo-China 1 Coal
Hanover Germany 1 Iron
Indianapolis USA 1 Coal
Karaganda USSR 1 Coal
Katowice Poland 1 Coal
Kerch USSR 1 Iron
Kursk USSR 1 Iron
Little Rock USA 1 Bauxite
Louisville USA 1 Coal
Magnitogorsk USSR 1 Iron
Metz France 1 Coal
Ndola Northern Rhodesia 1 Copper
Newcastle Australia 1 Coal
Paramaribo Dutch Guyana 1 Bauxite
Petsamo Finland 1 Nickel
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Pittsburgh USA 1 Coal
Pola Italy 1 Bauxite
Pretoria South Africa 1 Gold
Saarbrücken Germany 1 Coal
Sian China 1 Coal
Stalinsk USSR 1 Coal
Sudbury Canada 1 Nickel
Tsitsihar Manchuria 1 Gold
Béchar Algeria 1 Coal
Mount Isa Australia 1 Lead
Broken Hill Australia 1 Silver
Clear 127,52 Belgian Congo 1 Diamonds
Clear 53,32 Belgium 1 Phosphates
Mountain 141,321 Bolivia 1 Tin
Clear 141,341 Brazil 1 Bauxite
Clear 110,331 British Guyana 1 Bauxite
Mountain 66,51 Bulgaria 1 Lead
Thetford Mines Canada 1 Asbestos
Rouyn Canada 1 Copper
Forest 52,298 Canada 1 Timber
Mountain 51,276 Canada 1 Mixed
Mountain 158,318 Chile 1 Copper
Mountain 150,319 Chile 1 Copper
Chuquicamata Chile 1 Copper
Haichow China 1 Phosphates
Clear 73,143 China 1 Coal
Clear 86,142 China 1 Antimony
Forest 90,138 China 1 Tin
Desert Mountain 68,141 China 1 Iron
Mountain 72,130 China 1 Iron
San Luis Cuba 1 Manganese
Mountain 75,60 Cyprus 1 Chromium
Forest 54,39 Czechoslovakia 1 Iron
Clear 89,148 Formosa 1 Iron
Clear 55,32 France 1 Iron
Clear 53,30 France 1 Coal
Clear 54,28 France 1 Iron
Clear 56,26 France 1 Iron
Mountain 62,31 France 1 Bauxite
Clear 50,40 Germany 1 Coal
Clear 53,38 Germany 1 Iron
Clear 49,36 Germany 1 Potash
Clear 51,33 Germany 1 Coal
Clear 53,43 Germany 1 Coal
Mountain 71,48 Greece 1 Bauxite
Forest 96,139 Hainan 1 Bauxite
Clear 59,44 Hungary 1 Bauxite
Clear 90,113 India 1 Iron
Yellandu India 1 Coal
Forest 90,106 India 1 Manganese
Mountain 95,110 India 1 Iron
Forest 64,37 Italy 1 Mercury
Mountain 62,33 Italy 1 Zinc
Mountain 62,171 Japan 1 Coal
Mountain 71,154 Korea 1 Iron
Jungle 115,130 Malaya 1 Rubber
Larut Malaya 1 Tin
Mountain 67,145 Manchuria 1 Iron
Mountain 68,151 Manchuria 1 Iron
Clear 86,288 Mexico 1 Coal
Clear 49,33 Netherlands 1 Food
Mountain 142,194 New Caledonia 1 Nickel
Knaben Norway 1 Molybdenum
Mountain 134,318 Peru 1 Antimony
Mountain 101,151 Philippines 1 Gold
Clear 52,45 Poland 1 Iron
Mountain 66,17 Portugal 1 Tungsten
Clear 70,34 Sardinia 1 Coal
Kayes Senegal 1 Iron
Kimberley South Africa 1 Diamonds
Mountain 63,22 Spain 1 Iron
Mountain 71,21 Spain 1 Zinc
Mountain 69,19 Spain 1 Mercury
Mountain 62,18 Spain 1 Tungsten
Gällivare Sweden 2 Iron
Kiruna Sweden 1 Iron
Mountain 71,64 Turkey 1 Chromium
Mountain 72,55 Turkey 1 Chromium
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Clear 64,296 USA 1 Coal
Clear 69,293 USA 1 Coal
Mountain 54,274 USA 1 Lead
Mountain 73,268 USA 1 Mercury
Clear 64,313 USA 1 Coal
Forest 71,307 USA 1 Zinc
Mountain 65,310 USA 1 Coal
Clear 68,305 USA 1 Coal
Forest 72,306 USA 1 Coal
Ironwood USA 1 Iron
Mountain 68,309 USA 1 Coal
Forest 60,286 USA 1 Gold
Mountain 68,284 USA 1 Molybdenum
Mountain 66,278 USA 1 Lead
Mountain 68,271 USA 1 Magnesium
Clear 55,296 USA 1 Iron
Clear 71,299 USA 1 Lead
Clear 52,145 USSR 1 Tin
Clear 51,64 USSR 1 Iron
Clear 43,62 USSR 1 Phosphates
Krivoy Rog USSR 3 Iron
Forest 63,72 USSR 1 Manganese
Forest 39,88 USSR 1 Copper
Suchan USSR 1 Iron
Forest 59,162 USSR 1 Lead
Kokand USSR 1 Sulphur
Stalinabad USSR 1 Coal
Forest 42,87 USSR 1 Phosphates
Mountain 53,160 USSR 1 Coal
Biisk USSR 1 Iron
Forest 63,47 Yugoslavia 1 Copper
Mountain 65,47 Yugoslavia 1 Chromium


< Message edited by Froonp -- 2/11/2008 9:55:36 PM >

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RE: Resource Types - 2/11/2008 10:26:16 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Norman42
-The Wallace looks good now, though I wouldn't name it Wallace (Wallace has about 2000 population, it was just a referance point for the area). I'd call it Bitterroot Mines = Lead. That way it encompasses the entire mining region.

I only name the place as a reference point, so I think that it is OK.

quote:

-For the Black Hills resource, you are correct, the forest area there is closer to the real location of the Black Hills. My recommendation is this: Move the resource 1hex NW of Rapid City, change that one hex from forest to hills (the Black Hills are very rugged with 2000+ meter peaks). The resource would be Gold.

Good. I moved it west of where you said, so that it is not that close to Rapid City. However, I can't change the terrain for the hex, as there is the river graphic on in (unless Steve tells me that the underlying terrain can be changed regardless of the river graphic). However, the Black Hills seems quite far from real mountains, and there are places on the map where we put forest to simulate rugged terrain not as accidented as a real mountain. So maybe it is goo as it is ?

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For fun you could even add "Mount Rushmore" label to the hex South West of Rapid City. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be the Axis capture of Mount Rushmore! Was it completed pre-WW2?

Great Idea.
However, it is not on the hex SW, it is in the same hex, as it is in South Dakota as Rapid City, and very close to Rapid City.

You can change the underlying terrain of non-coastal hexes with no affect bitmaps whatsoever.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/12/2008 12:10:25 AM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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Status: offline 		Here are the 16 colors available for drawing labels. I could add more but I do not see the point. It is hard enough to tell some of the colors apart already. More subtle distinctions are likely to be impossible to detect.

Most of the color are not being used currently. I have put in a few recommendations (copper = orange, mercury = silver). There are lot of other mineral resources I have not assigned a color.
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// ****************************************************************************
// New colors.
// ****************************************************************************
clLightBlue = $02FFB060; // Add $0200000 to make it a palette color.
clAlmostWhite = $FEFEFE; // Almost pure white, but not quite.
clBrown = $02004080;
clPink = $00A09BEE; // A special color - pink.
// ****************************************************************************
// Colors for map names/labels.
// ****************************************************************************
MWIFStandardColors: array[0..15] of TColor = (
clBlack, // 0 - city, port, and historical site names, coal.
clMaroon, // 1 - country and island names, country borders.
clGreen, // 2 - food.
clOrange, // 3 - copper.
clNavy, // 4 - sea area borders, canal names.
clPurple, // 5 -
clTeal, // 6 -
clSilver, // 7 - mercury.
clGray, // 8 - iron.
clRed, // 9 - objective hex names.
clLime, // 10 -
clYellow, // 11 - sulphur.
clBlue, // 12 - river names (exclusively!).
clFuchsia, // 13 -
clAqua, // 14 -
clWhite); // 15 - weather zone borders, mountain names.


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RE: Resource Types - 2/12/2008 12:16:49 AM   
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Can we have the predominant mineral named here rather than an uninformative 'Mixed'?

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RE: Resource Types - 2/12/2008 12:19:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I planned on having the names size 4 (or 3) color black. I'm not sure using varying colors would be a good idea.
I would have liked the text to be not longer that the width of the resource icon, or maybe a little more, only ledgible at very high level of zooms (6-8).

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RE: Resource Types - 2/12/2008 12:20:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I think adding different colours to different resource labels is a bit over the top, and will give the impression that they are important.  Just a nice italic in an unusual font (perhaps even 'brush'?) should do the trick ... and then we can get on with something else. 

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RE: Resource Types - 2/12/2008 12:28:01 AM   
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I agree, the colours are a bit much, a simple (small) label in perhaps italics would suffice.

Marcus: The problem with the Calgary resource is there isnt a predominant mineral there (other then Oil). I would suggest either "Livestock" or "Grain" as these were the main resources of Alberta aside from Oil. Personally, I'd go with Livestock. Gotta feed those GI's.

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RE: Resource Types - 2/12/2008 12:38:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Norman42
I agree, the colours are a bit much, a simple (small) label in perhaps italics would suffice.

Marcus: The problem with the Calgary resource is there isnt a predominant mineral there (other then Oil). I would suggest either "Livestock" or "Grain" as these were the main resources of Alberta aside from Oil. Personally, I'd go with Livestock. Gotta feed those GI's.

Or simply "Food", as for the Netherlands ?

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