Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: trees trees

Here is something possibly worth clarifying. The Italian "AOI" TERRitorial can arrive as a reinforcement in Eritrea, Ethiopia, or Italian Somaliland. I would assume it can then draw supply from any city in those countries, cooperate with any other TERR from those countries, and move at 2 MP/hex (1/hex in MWIF, I assume) in any of those countries. OR once it appears in a country as a new unit, is it permanently a unit of that country only? And if it is the first case, does it not disappear unless all three of those countries are conquered?

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ORIGINAL: trees trees

Here is something possibly worth clarifying. The Italian "AOI" TERRitorial can arrive as a reinforcement in Eritrea, Ethiopia, or Italian Somaliland. I would assume it can then draw supply from any city in those countries, cooperate with any other TERR from those countries, and move at 2 MP/hex (1/hex in MWIF, I assume) in any of those countries.

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OR once it appears in a country as a new unit, is it permanently a unit of that country only? And if it is the first case, does it not disappear unless all three of those countries are conquered?

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I know it does not cooperate with other territorials (as currently implemented in MWIF). For example, it can not stack with them.

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ORIGINAL: SemperAugustus
N'dola -> Ndola

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Dualas -> Douala

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Windhuk -> Windhoek

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ORIGINAL: SemperAugustus



Duala I think is the German name. Using Duala would be like using Wagadugu for Ouagadougou (you can see both in historical maps)

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

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ORIGINAL: SemperAugustus
Duala I think is the German name. Using Duala would be like using Wagadugu for Ouagadougou (you can see both in historical maps)

When I was there for a few days 50 years ago it was known as Douala and it was very French language oriented. It was one of the nicest cities in the equatorial Africa area.
Lars

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ORIGINAL: ahlner

A bit too late in the process probably... but shouldn't the Algerian city of Oran be a city in MWiF. Population in 1936 totalled about 195k. Maybe even the city of Constantine deserves to be included with a population of 107k in 1936 and also an important HQ for the Allies during the desert war. However the 100k limit perhaps is not that applicable because it would also include the Moroccan cities of Fez (144k) and Marrakech (190k). But considering that the Egyptian cities of Aswan (22k) and Asyut (60k) are included as cities, shouldn't at least Oran deserve to be upgraded to a city?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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I believe there are two entries for this name: as a 'minor country' and as a label for the map. The program doesn't care about the later, but the former is referenced internally. So let me know if you change the name in the minor country CSV file.

Sure, as always.

Also PLEAAAAAASE, show us the north western Africa, where it joins with Morocco

Nag, nag, nag, ...

Canary Islands are done but not the Madeira Islands. The hex SW of Mogador has suffered a shark attack (big shark).

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ORIGINAL: Largus_Means
The resource south of Oran is probably called Colomb Bechar or maybe even Abadla, if you wish it to be named.

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Also the question is once again raised, in that is being historical or true to WiF:FE more important with the maps? How greatly do small changes/improvements make on the over all feel of things. For example, tte rail lines along this coast are correct, but could be slightly changed to represent the off shoots of the main line, that travel north to the coast. But there are some other lines that were not included and would have had an impact on this area and moving supplies. ie- Marrakech, Tozeur, Djelfa.
http://history.sandiego.edu/cdr2/WW2Pics2/82022bg.jpg

Since your are travelling into the grey areas on China, Russia, India, what about the outer areas of the orginal maps that have some strange things.

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Another area, which I know will not be changed, are the rail lines in Egypt and Palestine. On maps I have of the area, the rail line extends from the Epyptian border neared Bardia to Alexandria, then turns south to Cairo and continues south. It does not cross the the canal. The closest rail line east of the canal is at Al Arish. Also there is no rail line that extends from Amman to Medina, but thats another point.
http://britains-smallwars.com/Canal/Map.htm
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/egypt_pol97.jpg <-- Egypt 1997
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/WH2Chri-fig-WH2Chr04a.html <--- Egypt 1940

Anyway, let me know if this is a very dead horse Im beating here.

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ORIGINAL: Norman42

Any comments on this?

It would be a shame to have an area that was intensely fought over be poorly portrayed.  As it stands right now, there is no reason at all to campaign to control Central Tunisia to outflank the coastal routes like there was historically.

The change to the rail lines wouldn't overly change the war in Africa, nor would it be a major change to the sacred Euro Map, but it would bring a much more accurate portrayal to this front. The battles fought in Central Tunisia were the largest of the entire African Campaign (including Alamien) in total forces involved.

Have a look at the maps I linked and see what you think.  The third map especially shows the forces that were arrayed here and the battles that were fought for the railheads and passes.  Right now its just an empty desert hex of no value whatsoever. Lets have Kasserine Pass be as critical as it historically was. 

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ORIGINAL: Norman42

Any comments on this?

It would be a shame to have an area that was intensely fought over be poorly portrayed.  As it stands right now, there is no reason at all to campaign to control Central Tunisia to outflank the coastal routes like there was historically.

The change to the rail lines wouldn't overly change the war in Africa, nor would it be a major change to the sacred Euro Map, but it would bring a much more accurate portrayal to this front. The battles fought in Central Tunisia were the largest of the entire African Campaign (including Alamien) in total forces involved.

Have a look at the maps I linked and see what you think.  The third map especially shows the forces that were arrayed here and the battles that were fought for the railheads and passes.  Right now its just an empty desert hex of no value whatsoever. Lets have Kasserine Pass be as critical as it historically was. 

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eventualy moving Casablanca & Mogador a couple of hexes southward

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ORIGINAL: jcprom

North African cities. In the game, cities are mostly useful for reinforcements (not applicable in French North Africa) and ground defense (buildings help the defender).

Population is a good indicator of the number of buildings in a city. But for war purpose, a 144k city in North Africa is probably not equal to a 144k city in Europe: buildings were not as solid as European ones (and there were perhaps less buildings).

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ORIGINAL: jcprom

North African cities. In the game, cities are mostly useful for reinforcements (not applicable in French North Africa) and ground defense (buildings help the defender).

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ORIGINAL: Norman42

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ORIGINAL: jcprom

North African cities. In the game, cities are mostly useful for reinforcements (not applicable in French North Africa) and ground defense (buildings help the defender).

And territorial reinforcement placement/supply, and rail movement terminus, and, well, as targets to fight over. Capturing Algiers, or Benghazi is far more interesting then capturing empty hex 1804 and 1189.

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Capturing Algiers, or Benghazi is far more interesting then capturing empty hex 1804 and 1189.

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ORIGINAL: jcprom

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Capturing Algiers, or Benghazi is far more interesting then capturing empty hex 1804 and 1189.

Yes, having names on the map would add flavor to the game: Mareth line? Kasserine? Mers-el-Kébir? Halfaya pass? cities like Fez? areas (Cyrenaica is shown)?

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
adding the railways in Tunisia...

But, there are things that must be handled with care, and railways are amongst them...

This said, I added your comments to the list of proposed changes, so that they are not forgotten if one day we decide to break the holy vow (joke) of not touching the European map.

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ORIGINAL: Norman42
I think part of the underlying problem of Tunisia in particular is not just the railways, but the terrain itself.

The entire Eastern and Western Dorsal Ranges are missing completely from Algeria/Tunisia. They are currently empty desert hexes when in fact they should be a mountain range. Kasserine Pass was really a *pass* through the Dorsal Range and is what made it important (which is why the railways went both there and to Tebessa on the far side of the pass). Control of the passes (there were 3, but only Kasserine was considered an all weather road) equalled control of Central Tunisia.

If the railroads cannot be added, perhaps at least look at adding 4 or 5 mountain hexes(not all desert mountain, the northern Dorsals often had torrential rainfall turning the area into 5 foot deep mud) to the area with Kasserine as a gap between them. Then at least the terrain is accurate and the value of Kasserine on map makes some sense instead of being one of 15 hexes of empty Tunisian desert.

Note: my suggestion would be to make hexes 1009 and 0909 mountains, label hex 0908 as Kasserine, and make the line of 1108, 1107, and 1007 desert mountains to represent the Western Dorsals.