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RE: China, China, China - 4/24/2008 5:42:03 AM   
John 3rd


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Always good to hear from you.  Do you have any ideas regaridng my Burma and China attacks coming up?  ANY advice will help.
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RE: China, China, China - 4/24/2008 5:51:08 AM   
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Well, yeah I do - BUT - I couldn't say a word without compromising CR...which we all know is out of the question (and I know you would absolutely NOT want).

So, that makes it kind of tough being a neutral...I really don't know what I could say that you don't already know without crossing the line and being a spy!

However- with enough money...NO! What was I thinking! (just leave the unmarked envelope in the usual spot )

Good luck John,

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Brian,
Always good to hear from you. Do you have any ideas regaridng my Burma and China attacks coming up? ANY advice will help.
J








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RE: China, China, China - 4/24/2008 12:56:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand your issues with providing advice!

Since I had most of the day to study the map and look at the situation, I have come to several conclusions regarding my current situation:

1.  Naval Strategy  The fuel crisis precludes me doing anything bold right now.  I am going to sit the majority of the Fleet at Kwajelein for the next 4-6 weeks.  The KB is actively made up of 9 CV right now:  7 CV and 2 CVL.  For at least a few more months this should be enough strength to be able to make a good fight against anything Dan might throw my way in the Central Pacific.

The only areas for active naval operations will the the eastern edge of the map and Indian Ocean:

A.  Eastern Board:  My CVEs are moving from Noumea to Suva and then to Canton.  They will then go commerce raiding and try to hit stuff coming from Panama and/or the West Coast.  Doing this will allow me to have SOMETHING happening and--perhaps--I will get lucky and catch something.  On the downward side, if I lose them then it isn't a terrible crisis...

B.  Indian Ocean:  My STF made up of Mutsu/Nagato, 1 CL, and 10 DD keep pounding Rangoon every day.  I am moving a few CVs into the Theatre to see if they can been seen and divert Dan's attention.  I know he saw the "Is This an Insane Idea for April 1943" Thread I ran a bit ago and if my CVs got spotted then it might make him think I am going to invade India or somewhere else.  They serve as a decoy to be seen and then will return to Kwajelein--thus raising the CV Force there to 9 CV and 4 CVL.

2.  Australia  Dan is showing next to no interest in doing ANYTHING to press me in Australia.  This has led to accelerate my withdrawal of support and combat units.  I plan to leave only enough troops to make a fight of Australia but not hurt my defensive chances in other areas of the Pacific.  With this in mind, I ordered two Inf Div and 3 Tk Regiments to move out to either Brisbane or Perth for embarkation to the Inner Perimeter.  I will place one Inf Div at Marcus and another at Saipan.  The Tank Regiments all go to Manila.  If Dan doesn't attack out of Melbourne or Sydney at that point then I will pull another pair of Inf Div to further strengthen the Marianas and Luzon.

3.  Allied SS  The Allied SS are truly becoming a pain in the butt!  My more advanced ASW ships are starting to near completion and I am accelerating a number of them so I can form more ASW TF.  Right now I have most convoys operating with a few escorts and valuable convoys operating with enough escort for my ASW to be at least 30+.  I regularly damage Allied subs but have only been sinking about one/month.

4.  Outer Perimeter  I am moving odds and ends around from one base to another.  As said earlier in the AAR, I have been picking up my Engineering Reg and Construction Btns from the outer areas and am moving them to the Marcus--Marianas--Paula--Philippine arc.

5.  Dan's Intentions  I think Dan will begin his next move in the Central Pacific somewhere in late-June to early-July.  This should provide me with enough time to get reset and ready for it.  Where will he attack?  Logical choices remain Midway and Papaete.  Since those ARE logical, I will assume he won't hit there.  Process of elimination:

a.  The DEI is safe as long as we struggle in Burma and I hold Northern Australia
b.  New Caledonia and Port Moresby become threatened whenever he begins to retake Australia.  Have reinforced both locations.
c.  Canton and Baker remain viable threats but I can concentrate forces there pretty fast and the KB can move down within days.
d.  North Pacific has been quiet for months.  I will not reinforce it more then it already is so if he attacks there then I will have to think about that.
e.  North Central Pacific  Midway--Wake--Marcus is a prefered route of Allied attack for me and I am moving units to strengthen these points.

In reviewing the choices before Dan, I would look at either B or E for my coutnerattack.  Hmm...

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Furball over Rangoon! - 4/24/2008 11:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rangoon, Burma
May 18, 1943

The morning dawns bright and clear over the airstrips of Rangoon.  There isn't a cloud is sight and many of the Japanese pilots comment that it is 'fighter weather.'  Little do they suspect of the storm that is about the sweep down upon them from numerous Allied airdromes to the north of their base. 

These 252 pilots have been on the frontline for the majority of the war.  They have owned the skies over Rangoon ever since the the seige began over 2 months ago.  These pilots are good and they KNOW it.  Enlike other locations, there has been a great amount of good natured rivalry between the 4 Sentai of Tony pilots and the 4 Daitai of Zero pilots.  There has been considerable betting between the lower-ranked pilots on who would lead in confirmed enemy kills.  On this crystal clear morning the current leaders in kills are:

For the Army:
Major Igarashi with 9 kills from the 29th Sentai
Major Kanei with 7 kills also from the 29th
WO Kagawa with 7 kills from the 59th

For the Navy:
PO2 Nagahama has 10 kills from the F1--Yamata Daitai
PO2 Hirano also has 10 kill from the F1--3rd Daitai

Thus the Navy has the current lead. 

It is known that a massive convoy has brought the reinforcements needed to expel the British, Indians, and Chinese that infest the capital city of Burma.  The pilots can see into the harbor over 80 ships busily unloading their troops and 50,000 supply.  The moment of the Japanese counterstroke is but days away.

This knowledge prompts the HQ of the local Navy Air Flotilla and Army Air Division to call for a maximum effort day of putting as many fighters as possible over the harbor and airfields.  As the engines are warmed up and the pilots lift off one-by-one anyone coutning will see 188 planes take to the Combat Air Patrol.  The newer and stronger Army Tony's move to 29,000 Ft and 25,000 Ft while the Zero--wanting better maneuver abilities--settle in at 20,000 and 15,000 Ft.

They do not have to wait for very long.

Radar picks up the approach of enemy aircraft coming in at about 10,000 Ft.  Four Daitai/Sentai are ordered for a long-range intercept.  Over the last few weeks the pilots have become used to seeing small to medium group of American made B-24 bombers. That is not the case for today.  Picking them up at a great distance, the Japanese count nearly 60 fighters escorting 64 bombers.

In the opening moments, the Allied Escort Commander makes a terrible blunder.  He orders the 2 Squadrons of Spitfires and 1 Squadron of Hurricanes to range out and meet the incoming Japanese while he holds his 2 Squadrons of new P-38s as close-in escort for the bombers.  This is a terrible move as the 35 British fighters are bounced by nearly 130 Japanese planes.  For very few losses the Japanese shot down nearly ALL of the Brit Fighters.  As the Japanese close-in to the bombers the P-38 pilots see that they are outnumbered about 8-1.  Little can be done as--by now all 8 Japanese Daitai and Sentai--the fighters get into the vulnerable bombers...within a period of 10 minutes--as the bombers enter their bomb run--over a dozen Wellingtons and fourteen B-24s fall to Japanese fire.  The formations are schreaded and little damage is done to the Airfields.

Round ONE to the Japanese in spectacular fashion!  About 7 Zero and 11 Tony fall in exchange for 56 Fighters and 27 Bombers.  Numerous Japanese fighters enter the landing cycle for fuel and ammunition.

After a lull of about 45 minutes--enough time to reprovision the fighters--radar picks up two large Allied formations closing in on Rangoon.  A quick scramble gets 83 Zero and 88 Tony back up to altitude.

The composition of the incoming formation catches the Japanese by surprise.  A meager escort of 8 Kittyhawk protect a much larger grouping of 58 Wellington bombers.  Quickly wiping out the Kittyhawks, the fighters close in an CRUSH the Wellington formations shotting down 22 and damaging nearly every other one left!  This comes for a cost of 4 Zero and 3 Tony.  Another fantastic victory!

End Round TWO.

The final formation comes in on the heels of the destroyed 2nd attack group.  This group of Allied planes--coming from far northern Burma and eastern India packs a real Sunday punch:  37 P-38 escorting 35 B-17/B-24 and 24 Wellington.  The Allied planes get in close before the Japanese can effectively intercept.  Many Japanese fighters need fuel and ammunition but don't get the chance to land.  Add to that the pilots are now rather tired...

The closely controlled Japanese fighting tactics disintgrate into a massive aerial brawl.  In this type of fight the massed gunpower of the American 4EB as well as disciplined P-38 crews lead to a more uneven exchange.  The losses are rough:  25 Zero and 16 Tony fall in exchange for only 7 P-38 and 6 bombers.  Should be noted that almost eveyr other Allied bombers is damaged but they do survive.  In a reasonably perfect formation the bombers drop their loads onto 2 of the Japanese AF.  They concentrate on the bomber fields and manage to destroy a good number of them on the ground.

The aerial combat winds down as the Allies--having taken horrific losses--go north and the Japanese move into land. 

Summation:  At the end of the evening when all the claims are totalled the apparent results are quite favorable to the Japanese.  They have lost 66 Fighters, 14 Bombers, and 4 other planes.  Of those fighters the VERY good news is that only 33 pilots were actually killed.  The Squadrons are brought back up to strength with new planes and 2 additonal Tony Sentai fly in from Moulmein and Hanoi to help.  As to the leaders:

Army--Major Igarashi shot down 4 planes raising his kills to 13, Major Kanei gets 3 raising his total to 10, and WO Kagawa gets 2 giving him a total of 9 kills.

Navy--PO2 Hirano only got 1 fighter to raise his total to 11 kills but PO2 Nagahama has a banner day bagging 4 enemy fighters and giving him the overall lead of 14 confirmed kills.

The AF are damaged but not too badly (33%) and if given a bit of time they should be repaired quite quickly.

As to the mood of the Allies, one can only guess...  Their maximum effort has cost them 28 P-38, 22 Spitfires, 13 Hurrcanes, 37 Wellingtons, and 15 4EB.  Total:  123 planes.

The Japanese carried the air-to-air day at a ratio of nearly 2-1!  How about that for May 1943??!!

BANZAI! 


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RE: Resources and Oil - 4/25/2008 12:29:25 AM   
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Dan is in Atlanta for most of the day and now that the boys are sleeping, I intend to update the AAR.

On the subject of resources and oil, I went around the various ports/facilities and found that everything is operating at full strength execpt Palembang and Balikpapan.  The smaller facilities are good but take a look at this:

Palembang
Resources  655 of 900 Operational
Oil  297 of 600 Operational

Balikpapan
Resources  297 of 600 Operational
Oil  88 of 300 Operational

I don't remember those bases being so badly damaged but here we are in April 1943.

I've decided to take off NO resources at these bases and let them repair at a faster rate.  Additionally, I will shut off the Resource repair and emphasize Oil.



I am a little bit surprised that you didn't repair more than that your resources and oil centers.
In all my games, i always make a lot supply stock pile during the first months of the war in order to repair the damaged centers.
It is always a good investement.
If you consider only the problem of the supply, repairing 1 resources center point costs 1000 supplies and give you back 2.25 supplies pts in addition per day. So 1000/2.25 = 444 days or 1 year and about 3 months after, you will be beneficiary in supply.
If you repair 1 oil center point, it gives you 6 supply points in addition per day. So 1000/6 = 166 days or less than 6 months after, you will be beneficiary in supply.
Also, repairing the damaged centers is of high priority in my games.

However, i must admit that i nearly never begin major offensives in China before japanese capture of main resouces and oil centers and an evaluation of the need of supplies to repair them.

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Furball over Rangoon--Day 2! - 4/25/2008 12:31:04 AM   
John 3rd


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May 19, 1943

With some nervousness the Japanese fighter pilots awake the day after their massive aerial victory.  For victory it was but the cost was still 33 pilots who were friends.  During the evening the damaged bomber base flew out their operational aircraft to Tavoy and other AF that aren't damaged.  This day dawns slightly overcast with a brisk wind comes from the sea.  Over breakfast--featuring fresh everything brought in by the massive convoy that is STILL unloading--they talk about the battle yesterday their uphappiness at the new pilots who have come to strengthen their units.

The Tony Sentai are strongest.  They only took serious losses within 59th Sentai and look forward to dealing with the enemy again this morning.  87, as compared to 99 the previous day, Tony claw into the air to take up their high-CAP position.   

The mood over in the Zero Daitai is much grimer.  Their planes are far more flimsy in construction and though the mechanics have stayed up the entire night repairing planes, only 20 are able to take to the air...

WILL the Allies come?  The answer is almost immediately YES!

The target for the Allies is different today.  Instead of attacking the AF (which all the fighter pilots think is the correct move) the Allied planes come in lower heading for the harbor.  There will be three morning raids and an afternoon raid:

RAID 1:  87 T and 20 Z versus 2 P-38, 3 B-17, and 2 B-25.  For NO losses the Japanese claim all these planes with the lone exception of a B-17 seen going north with 2 engines out.  Most importantly NO Japanese losses.

RAID 2:  64 Tony, 36 Zero (more repaired and flying), and 6 Tojo from Moulmein versus 16 P-38, 19 4EB, and 7 Wellington.  Having a near 6-1 advantage in the air helps the Japanese avenge their heavy losses to this Squadron!  During the course of the battle 14 P-38, 3 Wellington, and 5 4EB fall to earth.  Their is some cost at 1 Zero, 1 Tojo, and 3 Tony.  This raid gets through and is drawn to the BB TF containing Mutsu and Nagato.  The Mutsu takes 2 500lb Bombs and a fresh gallon of paint is applied over the scratches!

RAID 3:  Directly behind this attack comes 15 Liberators and 10 B-25.  The fighters slash into this group and shot down 8 B-25s before the entire raid turns and runs for home!  There is 1 Tony lost during this engagement.

RAID 4:  72 Tony and 16 Zero versus 16 unescorted Wellington bombers.  Five of the bombers fall with all the rest damaged.  They do manage to plant a bomb on a Japanese AK.  No losses for the Japanese.

Moulmein catches a raid as well: 59 Zero and 36 Tony attack 5 4EB and a recon P-38.  ALL are shot down!

Totals for this day are 6 Japanese fighters for 16 P-38, 10 B-25, 6 B-17, 6 B-24, 8 Wellington, and 1 P-38R. Total 6 Japanese for 47 Allied...

Unfortunately none of the leading aces score this day but it should be noted that the losses from both days feature NO Daitai or Sentai leaders.  Orders come down that the 59th and F1-Omura units are to be transferred to Hanoi for training while 2 Sentai of Tony and Tojo take their place on the 20th.

The engineers have managed to fully repair the AF and runways.  Unfortunately, the Hangars and Repair Facilities still need another day to be brought back to peak efficiency...  

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Resources and Oil - 4/25/2008 12:33:28 AM   
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Good comments and I will learn from them for when AE comes out.  Right now, I am pulling NOTHING of supply out from either base for the next few months.  That should help some...



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RE: Resources and Oil - 4/25/2008 12:41:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi John 3rd

your game seems to be interesting, and your AAR is very precise but sorry, as a good french people, i am not very familiar with english and i can't follow your AAR as well as i would like to.
I must recognize that for WitP, i would have preferred to be an american people or an english one.

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Choices to be Made - 4/26/2008 1:02:32 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		My opponent has abandoned me this afternoon and since the kids are still taking their naps, I have decided to make an addition to my AAR.  This is going to be topical:

Midway
Dan has moved engineers into Laysen Ilse.  He is building up French Frigate Shoals as well.  As soon as either of these reach a Lvl 2 AF then Midway will begin to become untenable.  With this in mind, I have decided to stage an evacuation of the Island PRIOR to Dan's anticipated build-up.  These are the units currently at Midway:  5th Base Force, 142nd IJNAF Base Force, 3rd Coastal Gun Regiment, 21st Mortar Btn, 5th Ind Brigade, and 8th Ind Brigade.

I want to leave enough on the two islands to make a good fight but NOT lose everything.  Two groups of APs have left Osaka carrying some supplies for Midway and to take off troops.  My current thinking is to leave the 5th Base Force, 5th Ind Brigade, and 21st Mortar Btn.  I would lift out the small BF, Coastal Guns, and 8th Ind Brigade and move them to either Wake or Marcus. 

This move would leave enough at Midway to make Dan take it seriously and serve to strengthen my lines in more vital--less exposed--areas.

Comments?

Rangoon
I cannot believe that Dan stopped his aerial offensive here.  I had done quite well but he has many more planes and crews to use then I.  The total cost of his 3 day assault was: 

Japan
37 Zero, 34 Tony, 1 Tojo, 14 Bombers, 2 Recon, 2 Float Plane:  100 planes (70 in the air and 30 on the ground)

Allies
44 P-38, 8 Kittyhawk, 22 Spitfire, 13 Hurricane, 29 4EB, 45 Wellington, 10 B-25:  171 planes (all a-t-a)

Shooting down 171 for 70 in Air-to-Air Combat in late-May 1943 is OUTSTANDING!  That is 2.4 to 1...


How about that 'unfair' Air Model of yours Brian?!!  I have read too many people criticize how mean your model is to the Japanese...

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RE: Choices to be Made - 4/26/2008 3:58:09 AM   
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RE: Choices to be Made - 4/26/2008 4:12:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vettim--I really like what he has done.  I am in two other Stock Campaigns in Jan 1943 and Jan 1945 and HATE the original system.  This is far better and much more enjoyable.



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RE: Choices to be Made - 4/26/2008 4:22:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi John,

I am very pleased to see that the mod is working well - and I am very happy to see that you have single-handedly dispelled the notion that this is an AFB mod.

Judging by your latest three day air campaign over Rangoon, the Japanese can still do quite well in mid 1943 - and it looks like there is nothing for the Allies to cry 'foul' over either. I think Castor Troy's biggest complaint in the last version was his seeming inability to shoot down 4E bombers. After making changes and a lot of testing it looks to me that - that certainly is no longer the case...and I hope base flak is now more effective too.

You mentioned a while back in a 'War Room' thread that your Tony's were being mauled by Spitfires - have things evened out or stabilized on that regard?

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Vettim--I really like what he has done. I am in two other Stock Campaigns in Jan 1943 and Jan 1945 and HATE the original system. This is far better and much more enjoyable.





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RE: Choices to be Made - 4/26/2008 7:34:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, speaking of the pilot losses over Rangoon in your favor, what is your pilot training program like? Do you use the Mogami method, do you damage/move/disband fragments? Do you have a training base in the PI or something?

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RE: Choices to be Made - 4/27/2008 1:24:06 AM   
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My pilot training works in several differing manners:

1.  My standard tactic is during the drive south through the DEI I leave one or two isolated outposts that I then use as a backwoods place for aerial practice.  Some people consider this gamey but it is exactly what the Allies did in 1943-44-45.  In Dan and I's game I have left Iliolo in the Philippines and that base in the middle of Celebes--cannot think of its name.

2.  China--I have 10 Sentai/Daitai of fighters right now hitting various bases around China gaining experience.  Dan has spread a bynch of fighter detachments throughout China so I use 2-3 Daitai/Sentai Striking Groups and they get reasonable air-to-air experience without a lot of cost.  I just raided Pakhoi (southern Chinese coast) with 66 Fighters and 73 Bombers versus 7 P-38.  I lost 2 fighters but shotdown 5 P-38.  When I can attack at odds of 10-1, good things happen.  This works pretty well for training purposes.

Should note that I am using bombers as fighter magnets to draw up his fighters.  They fly at 20-22,000 Ft so the escorts have a good altitude to fight from.

3.  I occasionally use the Mogami method later in the war.

Brian,
I have no complaints regarding 4EB being shot down by my advanced Tonys.  Rangoon's fighter strength has REALLY helped to keep the Allies knocked back some...





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RE: Choices to be Made - 4/28/2008 12:29:05 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Weekends alway move slowly in Dan and I's game.  We crank out the turns during the week and only do 1 or 2 on Sat and Sun.  The weekends are for family with us and that is nice.

I just sent the May 27th turn to him and am about to attack in Rangoon.  Following advice gotten here, I have transfered troops from Moulmein to Rangoon and bumped my supply up to nearly 50,000.  I am even with Dan in Assault Strength.  My plan is to hit him with 250 bombers and the Mutsu/Nagato TF on the 28th and 29th and then launch a Deliberate Attack. 

Any predictions on how it will go?


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Combat Report: June 3, 1943 - 4/29/2008 8:36:15 AM   
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June 3, 1943
 
 
CBI Theatre
On June 2nd, the entire Japanese Army in Rangoon launched a Deliberate Attack against the Allied Army that has surrounded the city for several months.  These were the major units used for the attack:

2 Army (Corps) HQ
Infantry Divisions:  16th, 19th, 21st, 31st, 48th, 55th
Armor:  1st Armored Division, 3rd Armored Division and 2 Regiments
Regiments/Brigades:  4
Artillery:  3 Regiments

Total:  228,197 Troops---2472 Guns---1137 Vehicles

The Army was well supplied and the Navy as well as Army had been pounding the Allied postions for the last couple of days.

The troops were highly motivated, experienced, and prepped----FOR NOTHING!

Results:  0-1  (Modified AS  Japan 2,127---Allies 3,566)  Losses:
Japan  15,579---247 Guns---97 Vehicles
Allies   3,487---105 Guns---8 Vehicles

CRAP!

Without a hesitation, I shift gears to pulling troops out of the Rangoon garrision and prepare to send them to Bangkok and Hanoi.

Bangkok gets 1st and 3rd Tank Division as well as 2 Brigades
Hanoi gets 2 Tk Regiments and 2 Brigades

I will lower the AS in Rangoon from 4,800 to about 2,500 and that should be plenty (behind Sz-9 Forts) to hold indefinately.  The High Command is completely aware of the fact that Rangoon is a deathtrap for armies since there is no place to retreat...once I see the AS in Rangoon from this pullout, I will move troops over to Moulmein until Rangoon settles at the 2,500 mark.  As long as I control the air things are stable and OK.

Bangkok
The troops sent here will resupply and refit here and then lead an attack up the road driving towards Taung Gyi.  Dan is trying to send a group of 3-4 Chinese Corps down the road towards Pisanouke.  I have a large number of Construction Btns there trying desperately to raise the Forts there as fast as possible.  The AS is only about 200 there and that is because I have moved my 2 Parachute Regiments there until help can arrive.

Hanoi
I am preparing for my China offensive and want to make sure Hanoi is secure as well as be able to threaten his city on the eastern border bear Hanoi.  There are 4 full strength Inf Divisions there with an AV of 1,200+.  The units sent from Rangoon will aid in holding the city as well as add a limited offensive threat.  They will be mostly static and get a chance to rebuild there strength.

Yenen
I am planning to make a grab for this northern Chinese city as soon as I get my reinforcements.  He only has 5 units controlling it right now and I have gathered a HQ unit, 2 Inf Div, 2 Mongolian Divisions, 2 Tk Regiments, and 1 Eng Reg.  That MIGHT be enough (I doubt it) so I will wait for at least 3 more Inf Div before I launch the attack. 

He appears to be totally concentrated in southern China.  Perhaps this will give him something new to think about.  If the attack draws any Chinese forces, then I will immediately launch my powerhouse attack in the south and see if I can catch him in the middle of a move...

Central Pacific
Canton
In an insane move (that is Mandrakeesque), Dan tried to establish a base just 3 hexes south of Canton.  My CVE accidently spotted it when they plastered 3 APD that were trying to reinforce the atoll.  I have been slowly eradicating the .dot hexes so I moved an SNLF to the atoll and took it.  Another 1,000 US POW go to Japanese camps!

Jarvis
I think this is the name of the atoll between Canton and Christmas.  Dan is building a base there to get closer to Canton.  I have decided to make him THINK that I care about it and will send a potent Bombardment Force comprising 2 BC, 3 CA, 2 CL, and 8 DD to hit it.  He has put P-38s there so I should be able to crush a few. 

My CVE will go commerce raiding in this area next week and maybe catch a convoy...

Midway
Dan made a feint here and moved a group of TF with CVs to 5 hexes east of my base.  He doesn't know that my planes there are set to ASW and I am preparing to withdraw 50% of the garrision!  I taunted him with a 'BRING IT ON' email but he chose to back away.  This is a good thing since I would have lost a serious number of aircraft had he bombarded the atoll! 

Australia
NOTHING is happening here and I love it.  I just pulled another Inf Div and 2 Engineer Reg from the east coast.  All the cites in Aussieland are still mine except Sydney, Melbourne, and Geelong.  I am getting their supply and HI contributions to my economy and will gladly take it until the Aussies make serious move away from their bases.


I will post an Industrial Report/Victory Point monthly update tomorrow when I get a chance. 

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RE: Combat Report: June 3, 1943 - 4/29/2008 9:27:00 PM   
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I am playing the same scenario vs. Greasylake and it is my undieing hope that he never finds this AAR. You have played an excellant game. I think your efforts are a great example of a reasonable use of the "What If" factor for a Japanese player. You and Dan have played a great game. I only hope mine ends up being half as interesting.

As a follower of both yours and Dan's AAR's it gived me almost Godlike powers of being able to read both of your minds. I don't want to give anything away at all but there are some highly amusing moments to read each of your comments knowing what the other guy is thinking. I think when this game is done the two of you are going to have an absolute laughfest when you have the chance to read each other's AAR's

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RE: Combat Report: June 3, 1943 - 4/29/2008 11:31:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vettim--Thanks for the thoughts.  At times, it has appeared that we have been reading each other's minds!  Dan has sold himself quite short as an Allied player but I think he is quite good.  The only galring mistake he has made int he war was trying to take Wotje.  Beyond that he has done everything possible to make my like Hell.

Getting ready to post my June 1, 1943 Industrial/VP Report.


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June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/29/2008 11:33:50 PM   
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Victory Points and Economic Summary
 
Victory Points:
 
Score
Japan   42,195  (Up 1,013 Points)
Allies    15,138  (Up 632 Points)
 
A surprisingly good month for the Japanese.  I good chunk of that VP win for May was the USS Arizona sinking 10,000+ Ft of water east of Midway.
 
Ships Sunk
Japan   332—2,653 VP (up 108)—Only 12 ships (4 warships lost) sunk during May.  Exact losses were:  4 AK, 1 MSW, 2 AP, 1 TK, DDs Oyashio and Akigumo, and SS I-3 and I-27. 
 
Major Japanese Vessels Sunk to Date---BB Fuso and Yamashiro, BC Kirishima, CAs Kinugasa and Kako, 5 CL, 28 DD (14 Modern DD lost), and 21 SS (17 I-Boats and 4 Ro-).
 
Allies    547---7,000 VP (up 242)---Dan only lost 10 ships.  Totals for the month were:  1 AK, 3 APD, 3 PT, USS Arizona, and SS Scorpion and S-23.
 
Major Allied Vessels Sunk---CVs Enterprise, Lexington, Hornet, and Wasp, BBs Colorado, West Virginia, Idaho, Tennessee, Arizona, and Prince of Wales, 9 CA, 7 CL, 49 DD, and 13 SS.
 
 
Manchukuo Garrison---8,112---Down 117---(8,000 Needed)
Political Points---2,447
 
Units Transferred: 
China               104th Infantry Division to 4th Fleet
 
 
Industrial Report
Supply              2,560,299
Fuel                  1,004,590
Manpower       857 (1,169,592)
Heavy Industry 15,166 (2,034)
Resources        20,794 (2,208,470)
Oil                    2085 (736,888)
 
Much BETTER numbers over the previous month.  Supply jumped 160,000 and fuel climbed 60,000.  Encouragingly my Oil stockpile also went up by 150,000.  If this can happen for a few months in a row then I think we are OK.  There are two large convoys currently unloading in Osaka right now (June 5th) and they will help with continuing to raise those numbers.
 
Shipyards
Naval               1,366 (0)
Merchant          981 (9)
Repair              1,508
 
 
Battleships
Musashi (197 Days)
Ise (109 Days)   
Hyuga (120 Days)
 
Carriers
Unryu (34 Days)
Amagi (105 Days)--Accelerated
Katsuragi (453 Days).   
CVL Chitose (102 Days)--Accelerated
CVL Chiyoda (158 Days)--Accelerated
 
Upgraded Kaga this month and shifted Unryu to normal build so Musashi could get back to being finished.
 
My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore.  Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.
 
 
Weapons
Armament        572 (81,745)
Vehicles           171 (3,530)
 
Big jump in weapon stockpiles here.  Will need all of it as I get my massive reinforcement wave in the middle of June.
 
 
Aircraft
Engines 2,068
Assembly         1,173+(871-Rd)
 
I shifted about 40 Helen back to Sally to take pressure off of my Nakajima engine demand.  This should also help get my bomber Sentai filled out more quickly as well.
 
Engine Production
Mitsubishi         610/Month—Need 376—1,912 in Pool
Nakajima         1,238(61)—Need 1,146---0 in Pool
Kawasaki         200---Need 190---6 in Pool
Aichi                20---Need 0---284 in Pool
 
Good jump in Nakajima production this month.  Expect to start seeing the pooling pick-up in this area by next report.
 
 
Plane Production
Fighters            Planes/Month (in Pool)
A6M2  0 (52)
A6M3  96 (0)
A6M3a  167 (27)
Oscar   0 (436)
Oscar IIa 58 (21)
Tojo     76 (25)
Tony    190 (162)
Jack     109-R (10/43)
 
Still having major problems getting my fighter production ahead of losses.  Zeros are a major problem…
 
Bombers
Betty    34 (299)
Sally     40 (3)
Helen   131 (8)
Lily       114 (0)
Nick-a 27 (0)
Nick-b 12 (0)
Val       32 (488)—I shut down Val production and shifted it to Kate.
Kate     79 (109)
 
I took very few losses and have managed to get my Daitai and Sentai back to—more or less—full strength.  The units I disbanded in March, April, and May are starting to reform in the Home Islands.  This will probably take another month’s production to fill them out as well.
 
 
Recon/Float
Emily    20 (48)
Alf        0 (33)
Pete     0  (71)
Pete A  0  (54)
Rufe     6 (6)
Glen     4 (35)
Dinah   0 (0)
Irving-R 35 (6)
Irving-S 23 (4)
Jake     8 (74)
Babs    0 (94)
 
Am running low on several recon planes and am having to watch this area for the first time. 
 
 
Transports
Tina      10 (36)
Sally     0 (25)
Topsy   20 (14)
Mavis-L 5 (21)
Tabby 10 (68)
 
Have replenished nearly all my transport units and will keep production rolling for another month or two.
 

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RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/29/2008 11:48:49 PM   
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My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore. Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.


Don't know about Big B's mod but in stock Mk 14 Dud rate is 80% from 12/41 to 1/43. Then it is 60% from 1/43 to 9/43 where it drops to 10%. If that is the same in Big B, your misery is just starting


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RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/30/2008 1:02:14 AM   
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I just sent Dan my June 9th turn and we SHOULD have had a CV Battle in the IO.  I have Junyo/Hiyo and 2 CVL operating SW of Ceylon and they reacted (Adm Nagumo) to a Brit set of CVs (looks like all 3) but then NOTHING happened!  No planes flew from either side at a range of 4...

We'll see what happens with the upcoming turn.  Will post when I see it and know more!

Banzai! 

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RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/30/2008 1:08:34 AM   
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My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore. Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.


Don't know about Big B's mod but in stock Mk 14 Dud rate is 80% from 12/41 to 1/43. Then it is 60% from 1/43 to 9/43 where it drops to 10%. If that is the same in Big B, your misery is just starting




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RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/30/2008 1:16:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK John,you didn't run, so what do you think will happen?

Junyo/Hiyo and 2 CVLs.....That is IIRC 160 A/C, around 70 Zeros, 34 Vals, and 58 Kates. The Vals won't count for too much, as they will probably target the RN CV's, and the bombs will bounce.

If you think he has 3 RN CV's, that's around 50 fighters (Wildcats?), and 45 or so strike planes.

I can't remember in Big-B what he has by now. Whether you win or not probably depends on what type of A/C he is packing. You're playing on his turf though, I would have run if I were you. But that's just me!



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RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/30/2008 2:03:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I ordered a retreat due south but if dan wants, there will be a battle.  I split my CVs into 2 TF with Junyo/Hiyo, 2 CA, 5 DD in one and 2 CVL, 1 CA, and 4 DD.  My CAP is set for 50% so that should give me about 35-35 for my Zero mix. 

Am sure that he has the British version of Wildcats right now.  Should be a good fight!  I know his CVs are in separate TF so we can hope one heck of an exchange...

Just got the turn and it is his last of the day.  I will run it at my leisure so I can watch the bombs (and better yet TTs ) fall...


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RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report - 4/30/2008 4:10:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Played the turn but NOTHING happened!  I was within five hexes of the Brits but no launch.  I am beginning to think he is playing that damned STUPID Allied tactic of stay close enough so I can have LBA help my POOR CV FIGHTERS!  Goodness...I hate that crap...


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RE: China, China, China - 4/30/2008 6:21:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have had mostly frustrating engagements with RN CVs. I met 3 off India with almost the same force you have, the 2 "CVMs", and a couple CVLs. After two days, I had scored 1 torp hit, had alot of aircraft lost to flak. He lost all but 2 planes (!) in Air to Air and ran. Completely inconclusive. Lost of Val hits that just bounced off the RN decks.

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IO CV Battle??? - 4/30/2008 9:43:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well...Dan was up late and sent me an email regarding life--namely my excitement I've been going through--and I taunted him about not wanting to engage and probably relying on Army LBA to protect his poor British CVs.  The way he reacted proved that I was totally correct!

Told him it was gamey and I would never do something like that myself.  He replied ohhhh...gamey like invading Australia...my response was "this isn't an invasion of Australia.  We have a misunderstanding here.  That was just a fact-finding mission on a goodwill tour!" 

I think he might make a move now and come on in!  I am sure he was supplementing his CAP with P-38s.  My CVs (now in 2 TF) are moving due east from the Maldives towards Sumatra.  Fuel is getting low and I am headed for home.  If he wants to fight the next turn will be it.  My exact air strength is:

Junyo  19Z--19V--13K
Hiyo    17Z--17V--17K
Zuiho   18Z--12K
Shoho  18Z--12K

Totals:  72Z--36V--54K

I figure that he has either 3 CV @ 45 planes each (25-30F and 15TB) for 135 planes---75 to 90 F and 45 TB or he has 2 CV and Hermes.  It is my hope that the later is what is involved...

Prediction:  If Dan does move in and we get a fight, I will lose 2 CV in exchange for 2 Brit CVs.  Probably have an even trade.  He is closer to a home port while I am far away.  We'll see what tomorrow brings...


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RE: IO CV Battle??? - 4/30/2008 11:26:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is it gamey to use LBA to protect his TFs if LBA is in range? Do you think that a couple of hundred fighters/bombers somewhere would just sit 150 miles (or whatever the range is) off a major TF and they would do nothing to protect the ships?

IMO this would be the same if you would call it gamey that Overlord was protected by lots of land based fighters and not by carrier based fighters alone. The game decreases land based LRCAP over a carrier TF by 50% anyway.

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RE: IO CV Battle??? - 4/30/2008 2:01:28 PM   
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Why is it gamey to use LBA to protect his TFs if LBA is in range?


i think he was being ironic...

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RE: IO CV Battle??? - 4/30/2008 2:15:50 PM   
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Why is it gamey to use LBA to protect his TFs if LBA is in range?


i think he was being ironic...



sorry, that´s a known problem of a non-native-speaker (me)

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