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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 12:34:33 PM

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Morning gents,
I see we are almost 100% back

Well, old Thread (Thread III) is still gone...

Robert, I don't think it will ever come back... RIP "The Thread III"...

No sense crying about it.....So "The Thread is Dead! Long Live the THREAD!!!!".

Of course!

And that's why I started the new "The Thread" IV...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 12:36:21 PM

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Apparently the guy sprayed live bullets (i.e. so he did actually fired at least several of them) - so there was no explosion at all...

BTW, is there a need for blan adapter in all modern automatic rifles? What gun French use?

They use the FA-MAS, and it comes with a little round blank adapter. You have to have it, in order to trap enough gas to work the bolt.

With FAMAS, regular weapon for french infantry, you have to use a blank adapter. If firing real bullet with it, you blow your gun. The french medias are dumb enough to explain the accident with no precision: they have no idea about how to fire blank shot!! To shoot on 16 people take a little time, even with long burst. I can't explain myself how it could happen...even with stupidity....

OK... so the only other real explanation is deliberate act (and not accident)...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 12:49:46 PM

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Apparently the guy sprayed live bullets (i.e. so he did actually fired at least several of them) - so there was no explosion at all...

BTW, is there a need for blan adapter in all modern automatic rifles? What gun French use?

They use the FA-MAS, and it comes with a little round blank adapter. You have to have it, in order to trap enough gas to work the bolt.

With FAMAS, regular weapon for french infantry, you have to use a blank adapter. If firing real bullet with it, you blow your gun. The french medias are dumb enough to explain the accident with no precision: they have no idea about how to fire blank shot!! To shoot on 16 people take a little time, even with long burst. I can't explain myself how it could happen...even with stupidity....

OK... so the only other real explanation is deliberate act (and not accident)...

Leo "Apollo11"

My guess is that the press got the story wrong - the gun blew up and injured 16 people - not 16 people shot.

EDIT: However, IF 16 people WERE shot, i'd say it would have to be deliberate.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 12:56:03 PM

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That would be plausible.

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THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 12:57:42 PM

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16 people injured from an exploding assault rifle seems unlikely. That means a deliberate shooting.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:05:45 PM

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We shall probably know quite soon what really happened.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:24:07 PM

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Well, I saw that the French defence chief has already resigned. The only way to solve the mystery will be for the shooter to start talking.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:24:43 PM

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It seems that most "accidents" and "incidents" almost always are "links in a chain", any one of which would not cause a problem, but together spell disaster. This "smells" of one of those situations to me. One problem can always be headed off, but several , in correct ( or rather incorrect ) succession , defeats any possible safeguards that designers imagine. That's one of the reasons that in aviation , training for disaster in simulation consists of some bizarre combinations....."three engines on fire, loss of electricity and the pilot drops his pen into the slot wedging the control yoke?". It's bizzarre , but then again , so are most accidents.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:29:09 PM

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Hi all,

Raining in Wimbledon... still waiting for Quarter-Final match between Federer and Ancic...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:31:25 PM

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I would say that what we are going to know as the public opinion depends on who (if) stands behind the whole situation. It could have been an accident, I am not saying it was not. However, something does not seem to fit the whole scenario, shot me but I do not know what it is.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:49:33 PM

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Good morning - Tithe.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:49:48 PM

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TTT It's My Friday!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:50:32 PM

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Morning Mike

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 1:56:50 PM

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Good morning, Yava.

I need some

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 2:09:38 PM

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Just drinking a nice mug while studying

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 2:50:53 PM

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Hi all,

Going home after work...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 2:51:27 PM

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There's a HUGE fly buzzing around my living room at the moment. Judging from the sound it's making, I think it's powered by a Merlin engine!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 3:25:16 PM

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There's a HUGE fly buzzing around my living room at the moment. Judging from the sound it's making, I think it's powered by a Merlin engine!

Are you being "buzzed by a Merlin engine"?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 3:28:50 PM

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What is it with you Denver guys and what you eat? I had just time to wolf down some chicken then out to mow the lawn. Must be nice.....

Yeah but I had to cook mine myself.

Good point, Chris. The wife still cooks for me, but she stopped packing my lunch when I started the 6am shift a couple of years ago.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 3:30:48 PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7483159.stm

How could this live ammo incident have happened? In order for an auto or semi-auto weapon to function with blanks, you need to put on a blank adapter - which basically obstructs the barrel of the gun... This should pretty much make the gun blow up if regular ammo is fired... unless the guy using the live ammo didn't put on a blank adapter as well... in which case one has to wonder if it was an accident...

It happens Bob. I've seen it. What I saw was live ammo with a blank adaptor. Big explosion and lots of hurt people. I've also seen blanks and live ammo mixed together. It's amazing the stupidity of people sometimes.

Yes - i could see that (i.e. - an explosion) happening, but the story that i heard (on radio) was that the guy SHOT SEVERAL PEOPLE... of course, the story could be wrong (i.e. - maybe the gun blew up and injured several people)... my question: how could you shoot more than one person with a blank adapter on?

That won't happen. The barrel usually explodes with the first shot. There is no second shot. He didn't have a blank adapter on.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 3:32:32 PM

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Hi all,

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7483159.stm

How could this live ammo incident have happened? In order for an auto or semi-auto weapon to function with blanks, you need to put on a blank adapter - which basically obstructs the barrel of the gun... This should pretty much make the gun blow up if regular ammo is fired... unless the guy using the live ammo didn't put on a blank adapter as well... in which case one has to wonder if it was an accident...

It happens Bob. I've seen it. What I saw was live ammo with a blank adaptor. Big explosion and lots of hurt people. I've also seen blanks and live ammo mixed together. It's amazing the stupidity of people sometimes.

Yes - i could see that (i.e. - an explosion) happening, but the story that i heard (on radio) was that the guy SHOT SEVERAL PEOPLE... of course, the story could be wrong (i.e. - maybe the gun blew up and injured several people)... my question: how could you shoot more than one person with a blank adapter on?

Apparently the guy sprayed live bullets (i.e. so he did actually fired at least several of them) - so there was no explosion at all...

BTW, is there a need for blan adapter in all modern automatic rifles? What gun French use?

Leo "Apollo11"

You need a blank adapter with an M16 and all it's evolutions. You need the gas pressure to blow the bolt back.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 3:41:32 PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7483159.stm

How could this live ammo incident have happened? In order for an auto or semi-auto weapon to function with blanks, you need to put on a blank adapter - which basically obstructs the barrel of the gun... This should pretty much make the gun blow up if regular ammo is fired... unless the guy using the live ammo didn't put on a blank adapter as well... in which case one has to wonder if it was an accident...

It happens Bob. I've seen it. What I saw was live ammo with a blank adaptor. Big explosion and lots of hurt people. I've also seen blanks and live ammo mixed together. It's amazing the stupidity of people sometimes.

Yes - i could see that (i.e. - an explosion) happening, but the story that i heard (on radio) was that the guy SHOT SEVERAL PEOPLE... of course, the story could be wrong (i.e. - maybe the gun blew up and injured several people)... my question: how could you shoot more than one person with a blank adapter on?

That won't happen. The barrel usually explodes with the first shot. There is no second shot. He didn't have a blank adapter on.

Right - as i said - either 16 people got injured from an exploding barrel (unlikely, methinks) - or he didn't have a blank adapter on - which makes it look intentional...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 3:44:04 PM

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You've been dying to say that for ages haven't you.....confess!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 7/2/2008 3:45:46 PM

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Bob, thanks for all the work you have been doing as tech support. I have been reading everything you and the others have said about Vista. WITP vanilla is now loaded on laptop. Next up the CHS files manually...................

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 3:45:52 PM

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There's a HUGE fly buzzing around my living room at the moment. Judging from the sound it's making, I think it's powered by a Merlin engine!

Bomber flies...yeppers, seen those. Over here they sound like quad Pratt&Whitneys ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 3:46:40 PM

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You've been dying to say that for ages haven't you.....confess!

Yeah well it ain't my Friday

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 3:51:47 PM

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There's a HUGE fly buzzing around my living room at the moment. Judging from the sound it's making, I think it's powered by a Merlin engine!

Bomber flies...yeppers, seen those. Over here they sound like quad Pratt&Whitneys ...

The R-2800 or the R-4360?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 3:55:08 PM

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Whichever is louder......

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 4:06:27 PM

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Haven't seen any of these over here for a long time now...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2008 4:08:59 PM

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You've been dying to say that for ages haven't you.....confess!

I freely admit it!

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