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Lasten question - 7/17/2008 5:15:40 AM

thegreatwent

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Any German speakers out there that can help me. I a reading an old book about German maritime history and it is listing several ships that exceeded 100 Lasten. Lasten translates as encumbrance or as heavy stock as far as I know and not as a measurement. I am tempted to think of it as an equivalent to tonnes but that is sloppy research. Much obliged to anyone who can tell me what the measurement might be.

I had this problem trying to read Das Boot, the archaic German slang in it was hard to understand. At least by me, how is calling someone an owlface so bad?

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 5:39:44 AM

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I read Das Boot in both German and Dutch, and they use all these nicknames based on discription of looks of carcacters.

The narator is using the same sort of�nick's as the US military often uses, they have a meaning to SOMEBODY, but that is meaning is not often obvious to people hearing the nick...

I think that "100 lasten" represent standard loaded displacement of a vessel, over a 100 means VERY heavy loaded....��

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 9:28:34 AM

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"Lasten" (pl.) or "Last" (sg.) (= literally burden or charge) is an ancient measuring unit. Originally one 'Last' was the amount of grain that could be transported on a cart pulled by four horses. In medieval ages it became a measuring unit for the carrying capacity of ships. The amount of a 'Last' varied depending on region (e.g. 'Baltic Last', 'Berlin Last'). It also varied by type of goods (e.g. 'Salt Last'), e.g. a certain ship could carry 100 Lasten of herring (in barrels) but only 80 Lasten of grain. On average one 'Last' equalled 2 metric tons. The 'Commerzlast' (C.L. or cl) became sort of standard in Germany before the adoption of the net registered tons - the C.L. equalled 2,6 metric tons.

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 9:28:52 AM

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http://www.iee.et.tu-dresden.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/wernerr/search.sh?string=Lasten&nocase=on&hits=50

It may have a nautical meaning beyond its exact translation as W-W2 says

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 9:30:05 AM

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oops, wrong button

disregard...

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 4:26:36 PM

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Thanks all. The ships referenced were indeed part of the Herring and salt fleet, it is amazing how tough anachronisms are to translate in any language.

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 5:17:09 PM

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1 Last = 4000 Amsterdam pounds. 1 Amsterdam pound = .494 kg.

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 5:24:30 PM

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How many almost naked Polynesians babes are in a lasten?

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"Lasten" (pl.) or "Last" (sg.) (= literally burden or charge) is an ancient measuring unit. Originally one 'Last' was the amount of grain that could be transported on a cart pulled by four horses. In medieval ages it became a measuring unit for the carrying capacity of ships. The amount of a 'Last' varied depending on region (e.g. 'Baltic Last', 'Berlin Last'). It also varied by type of goods (e.g. 'Salt Last'), e.g. a certain ship could carry 100 Lasten of herring (in barrels) but only 80 Lasten of grain. On average one 'Last' equalled 2 metric tons. The 'Commerzlast' (C.L. or cl) became sort of standard in Germany before the adoption of the net registered tons - the C.L. equalled 2,6 metric tons.

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RE: Lasten question - 7/17/2008 7:25:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

How many almost naked Polynesians babes are in a lasten?

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

"Lasten" (pl.) or "Last" (sg.) (= literally burden or charge) is an ancient measuring unit. Originally one 'Last' was the amount of grain that could be transported on a cart pulled by four horses. In medieval ages it became a measuring unit for the carrying capacity of ships. The amount of a 'Last' varied depending on region (e.g. 'Baltic Last', 'Berlin Last'). It also varied by type of goods (e.g. 'Salt Last'), e.g. a certain ship could carry 100 Lasten of herring (in barrels) but only 80 Lasten of grain. On average one 'Last' equalled 2 metric tons. The 'Commerzlast' (C.L. or cl) became sort of standard in Germany before the adoption of the net registered tons - the C.L. equalled 2,6 metric tons.