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thegreatwent -> Lasten question (7/17/2008 5:15:40 AM)
Any German speakers out there that can help me. I a reading an old book about German maritime history and it is listing several ships that exceeded 100 Lasten. Lasten translates as encumbrance or as heavy stock as far as I know and not as a measurement. I am tempted to think of it as an equivalent to tonnes but that is sloppy research. Much obliged to anyone who can tell me what the measurement might be.[:)] I had this problem trying to read Das Boot, the archaic German slang in it was hard to understand. At least by me, how is calling someone an owlface so bad? [&:]

wild_Willie2 -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 5:39:44 AM)
I read Das Boot in both German and Dutch, and they use all these nicknames based on discription of looks of carcacters. The narator is using the same sort of nick's as the US military often uses, they have a meaning to SOMEBODY, but that is meaning is not often obvious to people hearing the nick... I think that "100 lasten" represent standard loaded displacement of a vessel, over a 100 means VERY heavy loaded....

LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 9:28:34 AM)
"Lasten" (pl.) or "Last" (sg.) (= literally burden or charge) is an ancient measuring unit. Originally one 'Last' was the amount of grain that could be transported on a cart pulled by four horses. In medieval ages it became a measuring unit for the carrying capacity of ships. The amount of a 'Last' varied depending on region (e.g. 'Baltic Last', 'Berlin Last'). It also varied by type of goods (e.g. 'Salt Last'), e.g. a certain ship could carry 100 Lasten of herring (in barrels) but only 80 Lasten of grain. On average one 'Last' equalled 2 metric tons. The 'Commerzlast' (C.L. or cl) became sort of standard in Germany before the adoption of the net registered tons - the C.L. equalled 2,6 metric tons.

JeffroK -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 9:28:52 AM)
http://www.iee.et.tu-dresden.de/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/wernerr/search.sh?string=Lasten&nocase=on&hits=50 It may have a nautical meaning beyond its exact translation as W-W2 says

LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 9:30:05 AM)
oops, wrong button [&o] disregard...

thegreatwent -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 4:26:36 PM)
Thanks all. The ships referenced were indeed part of the Herring and salt fleet, it is amazing how tough anachronisms are to translate in any language.

Naskra -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 5:17:09 PM)
1 Last = 4000 Amsterdam pounds. 1 Amsterdam pound = .494 kg.

Canoerebel -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 5:24:30 PM)
How many almost naked Polynesians babes are in a lasten? quote: ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget "Lasten" (pl.) or "Last" (sg.) (= literally burden or charge) is an ancient measuring unit. Originally one 'Last' was the amount of grain that could be transported on a cart pulled by four horses. In medieval ages it became a measuring unit for the carrying capacity of ships. The amount of a 'Last' varied depending on region (e.g. 'Baltic Last', 'Berlin Last'). It also varied by type of goods (e.g. 'Salt Last'), e.g. a certain ship could carry 100 Lasten of herring (in barrels) but only 80 Lasten of grain. On average one 'Last' equalled 2 metric tons. The 'Commerzlast' (C.L. or cl) became sort of standard in Germany before the adoption of the net registered tons - the C.L. equalled 2,6 metric tons.

morganbj -> RE: Lasten question (7/17/2008 7:25:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel How many almost naked Polynesians babes are in a lasten? quote: ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget "Lasten" (pl.) or "Last" (sg.) (= literally burden or charge) is an ancient measuring unit. Originally one 'Last' was the amount of grain that could be transported on a cart pulled by four horses. In medieval ages it became a measuring unit for the carrying capacity of ships. The amount of a 'Last' varied depending on region (e.g. 'Baltic Last', 'Berlin Last'). It also varied by type of goods (e.g. 'Salt Last'), e.g. a certain ship could carry 100 Lasten of herring (in barrels) but only 80 Lasten of grain. On average one 'Last' equalled 2 metric tons. The 'Commerzlast' (C.L. or cl) became sort of standard in Germany before the adoption of the net registered tons - the C.L. equalled 2,6 metric tons. Sometimes, just one.

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