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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/11/2008 10:11:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		maybe that one was too hard. It was something I just noticed when re-reading the Churchill volumes but had never heard anywhere else. Churchill tends to go in to too many hypothetical details in those books. Once I tell you what it was, it is pretty obvious.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/14/2008 9:16:02 PM   
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maybe that one was too hard. It was something I just noticed when re-reading the Churchill volumes but had never heard anywhere else. Churchill tends to go in to too many hypothetical details in those books. Once I tell you what it was, it is pretty obvious.

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I think you should tell us the answer.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/15/2008 6:46:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		oh, I've been meaning to type in the exact quote from the Churchill, but I am currently reading the subsequent volume and I haven't found it again. Basically Stalin offered to send over the Infantry needed! I had never heard that before. Churchill declined on the basis of not enough available shipping. So then I started thinking ... maybe if I set up the Russian TRS in Murmansk, and ... but really it could never ever work in WiF, but it was fun to ponder the massively alternative history.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/15/2008 9:01:55 AM   
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oh, I've been meaning to type in the exact quote from the Churchill, but I am currently reading the subsequent volume and I haven't found it again. Basically Stalin offered to send over the Infantry needed! I had never heard that before. Churchill declined on the basis of not enough available shipping. So then I started thinking ... maybe if I set up the Russian TRS in Murmansk, and ... but really it could never ever work in WiF, but it was fun to ponder the massively alternative history.

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I`ve never heard of that and given that you said he offered the infantry in 1941, I take it he was not being serious - even if it was logistically possible (which I doubt). He should have been more concerned at that time with needing every available man on the Eastern Front...bizarre, no wonder no one got the answer!

You can imagine too, that if it had happened he would have shot any returning Russians afterwards for "collaborating" with the western decadents...

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/15/2008 3:42:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stalin, and the Russians in general, lied through their back teeth about almost everything to the Western Allies. They were outrageously paranoid and always tried to skew circumstances so as to complain about their share of the war effort.

In prisoners alone, they lost approximately 3 million soldiers from June 22 1941 to the end of the year. Losses were so heavy that by the Autumn of 1941 new recruits to the Red Army were often given barely any (or no) training at all before being thrown into combat. An offer to provide troops for a second front in 1941 was almost certainly one of Stalin's ruses. There may have been something to it if it occurred very early on (before the horrific losses) but even then, the logistical problems of transporting the tens of thousands of troops to Britain would have been enormous. Would the British have to arm them? They had their hands full producing enough weapons for their own army. If not, all their equipment would need transporting too. Much better to just use them on the Eastern Front. In short, bollocks.

People often talk blithely about unlimited Russian manpower but the facts are otherwise. Apart from the hideous losses in 1941, Stalin insisted on continuing the winter counter-offensive for too long in early 1942 and then the Red Army launched their disastrous and costly Kharkov attack in May 1942, leaving it very short of men for some time. Although the Russians recovered to go over to the general offensive in November 1942 and win great victories in 1943 and 1944 their relatively unsophisticated tactics and general profligacy with regard to casualties meant that by mid 1944 they were running out of men. Although many freed Soviet POWs and forced labourers were sent to the GULAG, most were actually quickly pressed into military service, such was the desperate need to flesh out Red Army formations.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/15/2008 9:47:29 PM   
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OT - question for the questioners.  Is there a listing somewhere of the names the Germans gave to occupied Soviet towns and cities?  A friend's late father-in-law (an Austrian) served in the Crimea, and there's a picture of him outside a city or town, and the caption on the back refers to it with a German name.  I don't have the picture handy here, but if there's somewhere I can point my friend to in terms of a little research, I know he'd be grateful.  He didn't turn anything up during his own trip to Russia earlier this year...

Thank in advance for any assistance!



Anyone...? Anyone...? Bueller...?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/15/2008 10:04:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		the point Neilster mentions is why it took me so long to give out the answer...I wanted to find it again in the Churchill volume to more precisely date the offer. I think it was early on, like July '41, before the depths of the disaster the Red Army was experiencing were truly known. I'll try and find it again.

Simulating the Manpower pressures on most of the combatants in WWII is the future of developing the realism of WiF...



OK, quiz time...what was the first non-China port used to ship western supplies to China?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/15/2008 11:09:11 PM   
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the point Neilster mentions is why it took me so long to give out the answer...I wanted to find it again in the Churchill volume to more precisely date the offer. I think it was early on, like July '41, before the depths of the disaster the Red Army was experiencing were truly known. I'll try and find it again.

Simulating the Manpower pressures on most of the combatants in WWII is the future of developing the realism of WiF...



OK, quiz time...what was the first non-China port used to ship western supplies to China?



Hanoi?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 3:41:36 AM   
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the point Neilster mentions is why it took me so long to give out the answer...I wanted to find it again in the Churchill volume to more precisely date the offer. I think it was early on, like July '41, before the depths of the disaster the Red Army was experiencing were truly known. I'll try and find it again.

Simulating the Manpower pressures on most of the combatants in WWII is the future of developing the realism of WiF...



OK, quiz time...what was the first non-China port used to ship western supplies to China?

Rangoon?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 3:50:22 AM   
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OT - question for the questioners.  Is there a listing somewhere of the names the Germans gave to occupied Soviet towns and cities?  A friend's late father-in-law (an Austrian) served in the Crimea, and there's a picture of him outside a city or town, and the caption on the back refers to it with a German name.  I don't have the picture handy here, but if there's somewhere I can point my friend to in terms of a little research, I know he'd be grateful.  He didn't turn anything up during his own trip to Russia earlier this year...

Thank in advance for any assistance!



Anyone...? Anyone...? Bueller...?

Voo-doo economics

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 5:28:54 AM   
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Where was the Royal Navy's "Port T" ?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 2:32:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll open two at once now...for the British Army, what was their "first large-scale amphibious assault since the Dardanelles twenty-seven years before?"

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 2:54:16 PM   
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I'll open two at once now...for the British Army, what was their "first large-scale amphibious assault since the Dardanelles twenty-seven years before?"

Dieppe? Or does Madagascar sneak in there?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 3:11:56 PM   
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I thought someone on this forum had mentioned 'Port T' in a map thread.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 8:48:01 PM   
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Hanoi first, Rangoon later I believe. (The Burma Road had to be built).






Where was the Royal Navy's "Port T" ?

Warspite1

Trincomalee??

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/16/2008 10:39:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		close. I will say though that even the occasional Ministry of Silly Things British wouldn't use a code name for a location that started with the same letter as the actual location. Or would they? That might be clever. Anyway, it's not Trincomalee.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/17/2008 4:31:39 PM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/17/2008 4:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if the "Male" on the WiF map is exactly the same, but yes...Churchill called it "Addu Atoll"


Trick question: who's sea mines did the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst hit at the end of the Channel Dash?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/17/2008 5:42:16 PM   
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I'm not sure if the "Male" on the WiF map is exactly the same, but yes...Churchill called it "Addu Atoll"


Trick question: who's sea mines did the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst hit at the end of the Channel Dash?


According to this site: http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/scharncerberus.html , the first mine that the Scharnhorst hit was laid by the RAF. It doesn't mention the nationalities of the other two mines, though.

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But neither Scharnhorst nor Gneisenau had come through the experience unscathed. The trouble had begun at 14:31, shortly before the destroyer attack. Scharnhorst rocked to a violent explosion and all the lights went out. As she was passing the approaches to the Scheldt, Scharnhorst was mined in compartment XVI. The mine was laid by the RAF 36 hours earlier. The engines stopped at once and she swung out of line.



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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/17/2008 7:11:46 PM   
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I'm not sure if the "Male" on the WiF map is exactly the same, but yes...Churchill called it "Addu Atoll"


Trick question: who's sea mines did the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst hit at the end of the Channel Dash?


According to this site: http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/scharncerberus.html , the first mine that the Scharnhorst hit was laid by the RAF. It doesn't mention the nationalities of the other two mines, though.

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But neither Scharnhorst nor Gneisenau had come through the experience unscathed. The trouble had begun at 14:31, shortly before the destroyer attack. Scharnhorst rocked to a violent explosion and all the lights went out. As she was passing the approaches to the Scheldt, Scharnhorst was mined in compartment XVI. The mine was laid by the RAF 36 hours earlier. The engines stopped at once and she swung out of line.




What happened to the "no looking stuff up" gentlemen's agreement?

I see what's happened. This WW2 quiz has turned into a "Total War" quiz! Any ruthless method of answering is now being used. It's a quiz "with the gloves off" etc etc. Soon boys as young as 12 will be fighting for answers and women (err...maybe your wife, sister or mother) will be drafted into the struggle.

Cheers, Neilster


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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/17/2008 8:13:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		since it is a trick question, reference materials would have been fine. Churchill ascribes the mines to his side. Other writers have said some of the hits (I think there were three total, 2 on the Scharnhorst and one on the Gneisenau) were inside of German minefields. Tricky stuff, navigating a minefield.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/18/2008 7:30:34 AM   
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close. I will say though that even the occasional Ministry of Silly Things British wouldn't use a code name for a location that started with the same letter as the actual location. Or would they? That might be clever. Anyway, it's not Trincomalee.

Warspite1

I dont think my guess was as silly as its sounds as you did not say it was a code name. A simple letter is a lot easier than saying Trincomalee when you`re in a hurry! Oh well it was worth a try.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 1:49:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brian brian

I'm not sure if the "Male" on the WiF map is exactly the same, but yes...Churchill called it "Addu Atoll"


Trick question: who's sea mines did the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst hit at the end of the Channel Dash?


According to this site: http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/scharncerberus.html , the first mine that the Scharnhorst hit was laid by the RAF. It doesn't mention the nationalities of the other two mines, though.

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But neither Scharnhorst nor Gneisenau had come through the experience unscathed. The trouble had begun at 14:31, shortly before the destroyer attack. Scharnhorst rocked to a violent explosion and all the lights went out. As she was passing the approaches to the Scheldt, Scharnhorst was mined in compartment XVI. The mine was laid by the RAF 36 hours earlier. The engines stopped at once and she swung out of line.




What happened to the "no looking stuff up" gentlemen's agreement?

I see what's happened. This WW2 quiz has turned into a "Total War" quiz! Any ruthless method of answering is now being used. It's a quiz "with the gloves off" etc etc. Soon boys as young as 12 will be fighting for answers and women (err...maybe your wife, sister or mother) will be drafted into the struggle.

Cheers, Neilster





agree .... it´s to easy to Google the answers on the net ... book ... that is a gentleman tool ....

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 5:19:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of gentlemen's tools (stop that sniggering you boys in the back row!), I think these would be acceptable to use. It's a functioning PC. The "book" is actually a flatbed scanner.

I'm quite interested in this steampunk stuff. Part of the philosophy is that objects used to be made to last and could be repaired or modified. The exact opposite is the case with most electronic devices and steampunk computing is a reaction against that. It attempts to reconcile the feel of solidity and quality of brass, wood and leather with the latest technology.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 5:22:59 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 5:25:49 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 5:27:07 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 5:41:13 AM   
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And another. Something else I like about this stuff is that they often use salvaged materials.

Cheers, Neilster




Very nice. Thanks for the picture.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 2:36:38 PM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 9/19/2008 3:03:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		My Apologies. I did not know there was an agreement not to look stuff up on the net. (I didn't start reading the thread until about a page ago.)

There is another web forum that I participate in that expects "cites" to back up assurtions, so now I link to reference sources out of habit.

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