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WitP Brainiacs - 10/7/2008 11:51:30 PM

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Sorry for the X post, but I can't believe this scenario never happened. I'm playing Silent Hunter 4. I'm a U.S. sub - An S boat to be exact out of Manilla on Dec 9 1941.

Anyway, I took some depth charge damage and ended up venting all my disal fuel and then found my self adrift with no batteries and no gas. Is it non-historical that a US sub in this situation would radio to base and request assistance? Or would the US base just ignore the marooned sub and say die, bastads, die.

What does history say?

Here is my thread from the subsim board...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=142928

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 1:21:27 AM

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History? Let's see: no fuel=no propulsion=adrift in unfriendly waters and outgunned by almost everything hostile in the area? I'd say there was a snowball's chance in hell of survival. Did I mention that the enemy controls the skies? Fish food...........

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 1:56:02 AM

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No fuel + no battery = no radio -------------- swim boy.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 2:30:00 AM

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In the 1920's there was an R-class sub out of Pearl that rigged sails out of sheets and returned home, but that was peace time.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 3:11:23 AM

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Row, Row, Row your boat,
cross the briney blue..
But you'd better be careful, you bet,
The Japs are lookin' for you.

with all appropriate apologies to the PC police.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 6:38:22 AM

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quote:

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Row, Row, Row your boat,
cross the briney blue..
But you'd better be careful, you bet,
The Japs are lookin' for you.

with all appropriate apologies to the PC police.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 6:40:06 AM

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In the 1920's there was an R-class sub out of Pearl that rigged sails out of sheets and returned home, but that was peace time.

Oh, I want to know more about this! You wouldn't happen to have a link would you?

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 3:48:11 PM

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 3:54:24 PM

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quote:

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In the 1920's there was an R-class sub out of Pearl that rigged sails out of sheets and returned home, but that was peace time.

Oh, I want to know more about this! You wouldn't happen to have a link would you?

Actually , I read it in a thing called a book..

..I know that you younger guys perfer your knowledge accumulation to be electronic , so after doing a little research...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_R-14_(SS-91)

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 3:57:18 PM

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You forgot an important piece of info:

book �/bʊk/
1.a written or printed work of fiction or nonfiction, usually on sheets of paper fastened or bound together within covers.
2.a number of sheets of blank or ruled paper bound together for writing, recording business transactions, etc.
3.a division of a literary work, esp. one of the larger divisions.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 7:21:19 PM

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Oh, you mean a REAL book!

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 9:11:42 PM

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Come on guys....I'm a geezer. That means I'm entitled to be a mean and sarcastic old coot!

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 9:40:07 PM

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Come on guys....I'm a geezer. That means I'm entitled to be a mean and sarcastic old coot!

Count me in as a fellow geezer, or maybe even the ubiquitous Antique Flatulent One, mate. It just ain't right to read Shakespeare, the Bible, or Homer on a computer screen.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 9:43:12 PM

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We need to start a geezer thread of our own. Call it the half-century club or something. No one under 50 need apply.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 10:46:58 PM

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Meh....40 is the geezer cutoff....I still read books plenty.....I just have to deal with Generation Yammer more than you do, so I recognized their lack of familiarity with the concept of "paper bound together into an object of amusement and knowledge".

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 10:59:31 PM

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I'm a geezer too, and I can remember when you could afford a new book just about every day. Paperbacks were 5 bucks. Now even paperbacks can run to 50 bucks and I once spent 90 on a hardcover because it had a great organizational chart for Hohenstaufen. Now I have to be really careful about which books I buy.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/8/2008 11:34:51 PM

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Meh....40 is the geezer cutoff....I still read books plenty.....I just have to deal with Generation Yammer more than you do, so I recognized their lack of familiarity with the concept of "paper bound together into an object of amusement and knowledge".

Yeah , but what's that in earthling years?

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 4:14:58 AM

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40...I'm adapted to your speedy annual cycles. I'm about 20 years old on Mars.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 4:39:32 AM

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It's not just the time. The miles add to it. I think I can qualify as a geezer at 45.

I've been a paramedic longer than some of the people I work with! When they start thinking they know everything I remind them that I own underwear older than them.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 7:23:36 AM

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Well, I'm only 48 so not a geezer. But I am flatulent, so I say this to rockmedic109:

Buy some new underwear, damnit!

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 11:49:55 AM

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I turn 48 this month but look 10 years younger. As they say, it's not the age but the mileage; I do recall that my first book I ever bought cost a dollar; it was a paperback on the Pearl Harbor attack, and I've still got it...

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 1:59:12 PM

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I remember when I bought one of the early paperback versions of Dune at $2.99 at Walden's in the early 70's. Thought I was getting ripped of by the Man. I still have it although it's showing its age - sort of like me.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 2:54:36 PM

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I'm a geezer too, and I can remember when you could afford a new book just about every day. Paperbacks were 5 bucks. Now even paperbacks can run to 50 bucks and I once spent 90 on a hardcover because it had a great organizational chart for Hohenstaufen. Now I have to be really careful about which books I buy.

Ya ain't that old Mate. I still have some Ballantine's around with printed list prices of UNDER a dollar.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 3:07:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tactics

Sorry for the X post, but I can't believe this scenario never happened. I'm playing Silent Hunter 4. I'm a U.S. sub - An S boat to be exact out of Manilla on Dec 9 1941.

Anyway, I took some depth charge damage and ended up venting all my disal fuel and then found my self adrift with no batteries and no gas. Is it non-historical that a US sub in this situation would radio to base and request assistance? Or would the US base just ignore the marooned sub and say die, bastads, die.

What does history say?

Here is my thread from the subsim board...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=142928

Don't recall a US boat ever running out of fuel during WW2 ops, but several German U-boats did... most of them got home, iirc, after radioing for help and getting fuel from another U-boat (usually after drifting helplessly for some days)...

i suspect if a US boat got into trouble, another sub would have been sent to help... there were several incidents where US boats took severe damage and another boat was sent, and aided effective assistance.

Even without batteries, someone in engineering could have probably rigged a small generator out of a small electric motor that could be hand cranked to send a signal to Manilla.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/9/2008 3:22:58 PM

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Let's see, next week I hit 58 that's not a geezer though.

If a sub in the PI area early in the war had radioed for help I would imagine that the Japanese might find her first.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/10/2008 12:58:08 AM

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Well, nice to meet all you geezers.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/10/2008 1:09:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tactics

Sorry for the X post, but I can't believe this scenario never happened. I'm playing Silent Hunter 4. I'm a U.S. sub - An S boat to be exact out of Manilla on Dec 9 1941.

Anyway, I took some depth charge damage and ended up venting all my disal fuel and then found my self adrift with no batteries and no gas. Is it non-historical that a US sub in this situation would radio to base and request assistance? Or would the US base just ignore the marooned sub and say die, bastads, die.

What does history say?

Here is my thread from the subsim board...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=142928

Don't recall a US boat ever running out of fuel during WW2 ops, but several German U-boats did... most of them got home, iirc, after radioing for help and getting fuel from another U-boat (usually after drifting helplessly for some days)...

i suspect if a US boat got into trouble, another sub would have been sent to help... there were several incidents where US boats took severe damage and another boat was sent, and aided effective assistance.

Even without batteries, someone in engineering could have probably rigged a small generator out of a small electric motor that could be hand cranked to send a signal to Manilla.

Most naval units from the 1930's till the early 60's carried a article of emergency equipment called "the gibson girl". It was a hand cranked radio with attached blinker that had a ariel that could be deployed via helium balloon or even a kite.
It was on P-3a aircraft when I first came into the Navy (1977) and went away completely several years later. I'm sure that they could have taken one out of the life raft for such an emmergency.

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/10/2008 1:25:48 AM

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I'll bet the American forces would try to help if they could - maybe a PT boat, a PBY, or another small craft to try to snatch some of the guys.

Many years ago I read an interview of a Japanese soldier who served in the Philippines during the war. He saw an American aircraft shot down and the pilot adrift offshore within range of Japanese coastal guns. The Jap soldier was amazed when a U.S. submarine came in and rescued the pilot, saying "I could not believe the Americans would risk a ship to rescue just one man." IE, Americans put a very high priority on life and on helping comrades.

So I say the U.S. forces will help!

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RE: WitP Brainiacs - 10/10/2008 2:11:15 AM

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