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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/21/2008 9:13:27 PM   
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One of my grandfather's was in the 45th Division (N. Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, Germany). He told me of how they would get intel out of prisoners that was not politically correct. IMO, the victor gets to write history in a more positive light.  

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/21/2008 9:34:52 PM   
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One of my grandfather's was in the 45th Division (N. Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, Germany). He told me of how they would get intel out of prisoners that was not politically correct. IMO, the victor gets to write history in a more positive light.  


Leaders of all armed forces faced the issue of managing senseless violence and sadism during, and immediately after, intense periods of combat. Some nations took the responsibility more seriously than others, but you are certainly right, no one's hands were completely clean.

A senior leader ordering the murder of a prisoner and then eating their organs is a different issue and Cuttlefish does his usual masterful job of describing the moral dilemma in which it puts subordinates and peers.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/22/2008 12:56:37 AM   
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October 1, 1944

Location: Bonin
Course: None
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 410

Orders: See below

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Order from Admiral Tashiro, commanding task force 27, to all ships:

Our enemies have withdrawn the bulk of their combat ships from Pagan Island. Our lack of response to the attack there has doubtless lured them into a sense of complacency. We have been waiting for this and now the ideal time to strike.

We will depart Chichi Jima before dawn tomorrow and position ourselves to attack shipping at Pagan the following night. The success of the operation will depend on speed and secrecy. Powerful enemy forces, including aircraft carriers, are based at Guam and will no doubt intervene if our approach is detected. Complete radio silence will be observed during the operation.

I know that each man will exert himself to the utmost to ensure the success of this attack.



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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/22/2008 6:50:51 AM   
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Our enemies have withdrawn the bulk of their combat ships from Pagan Island. Our lack of response to the attack there has doubtless lured them into a sense of complacency. We have been waiting for this and now the ideal time to strike.


Oh dear. These sneak attack things always seem to work better in reality than in WitP..

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/22/2008 2:19:55 PM   
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One of my grandfather's was in the 45th Division (N. Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, Germany). He told me of how they would get intel out of prisoners that was not politically correct. IMO, the victor gets to write history in a more positive light.  



Always have, always will. The difference is mostly in what they "glossed over". I doubt your Grandfather's feelings of remorse had anything to do with how many Germans he had eaten.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/22/2008 4:03:29 PM   
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Had the Japanese been victorious historically, how do you think General LeMay would have been portrayed in the history books?

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/22/2008 6:54:57 PM   
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I have put a lot of thought into this.  I cannot think of a single war novel I've read that tops "Small Ship, Big War."  What a story.  Thanks CF.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/23/2008 12:40:23 AM   
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Our enemies have withdrawn the bulk of their combat ships from Pagan Island. Our lack of response to the attack there has doubtless lured them into a sense of complacency. We have been waiting for this and now the ideal time to strike.


Oh dear. These sneak attack things always seem to work better in reality than in WitP..


It's worked excellently at least twice before in Surface Combat raids that Hibiki was part of. And just maybe, that's the problem. Wolffpack -- ahem, Allied HQ -- might have learned from experience. I remember a series of bombardment missions that came to grief once the other side thought of laying mines.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/23/2008 11:48:49 AM   
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Going to the well once to often has it's price, though who can say when that threshold is reached? 

I think that CF has to try to do something to slow the Allied steamroller a bit and to throw it off balance a bit.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/23/2008 2:54:32 PM   
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may be a trap too....

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/24/2008 8:54:37 PM   
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October 2, 1944

Location: 60 miles south of Iwo Jima
Course: South
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 368

Orders: Attack enemy ships at Pagan Island

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“Petty Officer Takahashi, take a look at this, please,” says Senior Seaman Oka. “I think I may have a malfunction.” Hibiki and the rest of the Japanese ships have passed Iwo Jima and are moving slowly southward. When night falls they will pick up speed and head for Pagan.

Oka is the operator at the Type 13 air-search display. Taiki stands from his own display and leans over Oka’s shoulder. The radar shows a large amount of fuzz at the southern limit of its range. As Taiki watches the display is painted several more times, with the blotches growing and spreading. A cold feeling grows in the pit of Taiki’s stomach.

“That isn’t a malfunction, Oka,” he says. He leans over and uncaps the speaking tube. “Bridge, this is Takahashi. Radar shows enemy aircraft to the south, range 70 kilometers. They are heading straight towards us. I estimate 500 aircraft.”

There is a pause, and then Lieutenant Sugiyura’s voice echoes back down the tube. “Um, repeat that number again, Takahashi.”

“That’s five hundred, five-oh-oh aircraft,” says Taiki. Sugiyura mutters a response, but it is lost over the sound of the klaxon sounding combat stations.

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“There they are,” says Ishii. He is standing on the compass bridge, his binoculars trained southward. Beside him Lieutenant Miharu raises his own binoculars.

“Merciful gods,” says the lieutenant quietly. The southern horizon is covered with aircraft. He sees echelon upon echelon of the enemy’s B-29s, surrounded by swarms of fighters. Miharu easily identifies the twin-tailed ones but there are many sleek single-engine fighters of a type he has not seen before.

The Japanese ships spread out to receive the attack, though against the huge aerial armada heading towards them the eleven ships look small indeed. Anti-aircraft guns are trained skyward and their crews wait in tense silence. The planes come rapidly closer.

It is soon apparent, however, that the task force is not the target. Though there is little overcast and the task force must be plainly visible the planes do not deviate from their course, which will take them slightly west of the Japanese ships. They are something like 5000 meters overhead, well out of range of most of the anti-aircraft guns. Not that anyone seems inclined to open fire anyway.

All over Hibiki men gaze upward while the planes pass overhead, riveted by the unbelievable sight. The roar of engines fills the sky. It takes them a long time to pass. Ishii counts over 300 of the big bombers and well over 100 escorting fighters. It is a display of power greater than anything he has ever seen.

“Iwo Jima,” he mutters. Beside him Lieutenant Miharu nods.

“It must be,” he says. Apparently Admiral Tashiro agrees, for a moment later Suzuya breaks radio silence and broadcasts a warning to the island. A short while later Tashiro gives the order for the ships to turn around and return to Tokyo. No one aboard Hibiki suggests that this is a bad idea.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/24/2008 10:42:30 PM   
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The noose tightens............

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/25/2008 2:30:15 AM   
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Cuttlefish, we know drama!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/25/2008 8:00:07 PM   
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“Merciful gods,” says the lieutenant quietly. The southern horizon is covered with aircraft. He sees echelon upon echelon of the enemy’s B-29s, surrounded by swarms of fighters. Miharu easily identifies the twin-tailed ones but there are many sleek single-engine fighters of a type he has not seen before.


Let's see, would that be a Palfrey? A Clydesdale? An Arabian? Dang, it's on the tip of my tongue . . .

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/25/2008 10:34:08 PM   
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A Shetland Pony?  Yeah that's it they'll name a Pony car after it in the 60's, Ford will make it.  Dang!  What's it's name?  Cadillac of the Sky?  

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/25/2008 11:19:18 PM   
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Gentlemen,

Please.  The unnamed plane has the same appellation as a wild horse.  It's so obvious, especially NOW, with recent events.





(Gov. Palin)It's obviously a P-51 Maverick, donchakno! (/Gov. Palin)

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/25/2008 11:42:19 PM   
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October 3, 1944

Location: 85 miles south of Tori Shima
Course: North
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 339

Orders: Return to Tokyo

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Taiki goes off watch at 1800 and goes up on deck to get some air. It gets very warm in the radar room. He stops by the port rail enjoying the breeze and watching the sun descend behind a few low clouds on the horizon. As he stands there Petty Officer Okubo happens past, going forward.

Okubo passes him with a curt nod but then he stops and turns, peering more closely at Taiki.

“What’s wrong with you, Takahashi?” he asks. “You look like hell.” Coming from Okubo this almost amounts to touching concern. I must really look bad if even he notices something, Taiki thinks. And in fact he has hardly slept and has had little appetite for the last few days.

“I guess I’m just not used to being cooped up so much, Petty Officer,” says Taiki. “Maybe I just need more fresh air.” Okubo grunts.

“Try to find and eat some liver when we get back to port,” Okubo says. “That’s what Mother used to feed my brothers and I when we weren’t feeling good. It worked like a charm. Juicy, too.” He swears and steps back as Taiki throws up but as he is upwind he needn’t have worried.

“Go see Nakagawa, Takahashi,” he orders.”Damn, I hope we aren’t about to all start puking again.”


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/26/2008 3:14:21 AM   
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thats so wrong

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/26/2008 3:16:10 AM   
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Makes you want to swear off Ankimo (Monfish liver)
(Not likely; it's really really good!)

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/26/2008 6:13:44 AM   
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I doubt a radar like that can distinguish 500 airplanes.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/26/2008 10:03:27 AM   
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Some things will stay with you all of your life..........poor Taiki.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/26/2008 9:36:29 PM   
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Some things will stay with you all of your life..........poor Taiki.


Poor kid will never eat liver again.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/27/2008 1:14:26 AM   
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Cadillac of the Sky?......  I remember a kid yelling that in a movie somewhere...  But then about four years earlier he was yelling Zero-Sen.

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Small Ship, Big War - 11/27/2008 9:51:41 PM   
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If this is the start of the battle for Iwo Jima, life will get very hard for Japan.  Look at it this way CF--at least you still have it in October 1944, I managed to lose it in August 1943! 

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/27/2008 11:57:07 PM   
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Empire Of The Sun was the name of the movie where the Brit kid (interned) called the P-51s the Caddies of the Sky.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/28/2008 3:49:07 AM   
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i hope the jap general didnt eat liver on thanksgiving

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/28/2008 11:09:18 PM   
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October 4, 1944

Location: Tokyo
Course: None
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: Return to Tokyo

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With the task force anchored once again in Tokyo Bay Captain Ishii takes a stroll about the deck. As he makes his way aft he encounters Shun, who is benignly watching a work party scraping and painting the coping around a door in the aft deck house.

“How are you doing these days, Chief?” Ishii asks. “Any trouble from that bullet wound?”

“It’s just fine, sir,” says Shun. “The scar tissue pulls a little bit sometimes but it’s getting better. I put eel grease on it.”

“Eel grease,” says Ishii with a smile. “That brings back some memories.”

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April 1924: Aboard light cruiser Tatsuta, Sasebo harbor

It is Ensign Hagumu Ishii’s second day aboard his new assignment. Many of the ship’s officers are new, including the captain. Two weeks ago Tatsuta had been involved in an unfortunate incident outside the harbor when it rammed and sank an IJN training vessel. Several lives were lost and the former captain, Ichimura, and a number of others have been quietly transferred to shore duty.

Ishii is already known as a promising and aggressive officer, though his habit of speaking frankly to his superiors has already caused him some trouble. But he is undeniably talented and is just the sort of officer needed to help restore the ship’s damaged reputation.

At the moment Ishii is approaching the bow, where a work gang is repairing some of the damage suffered in the collision. One of the sailors straightens for a moment to wipe his brow and a shock of recognition runs through Ishii. Though he has not seen him in five years he knows this man.

“Shun?” he says, striding forward. The powerfully built young sailor’s eyes widen in surprise but he does not miss a beat in coming to attention and saluting sharply. His gaze flickers across the braids on Ishii’s sleeve.

“Ensign Ishii, sir!” he barks, eyes again forward. Ishii is bemused. The last time he saw Shun the young Ryukyun was more than a little bit of a wild man. He vividly remembers Shun swinging an axe with gusto as he and Ishii battled pirates on the deck of the old steamer Hier.

“At ease,” Ishii says. Shun relaxes his stance a little and clasps his hands behind his back. “It’s been a long time,” Ishii continues. “When did you join the navy? I frankly didn’t think you were the type.”

“It was an…impulse decision, sir,” says Shun. The rest of the work gang has stopped to listen but they abruptly return to work when Ishii turns a baleful eye in their direction.

“Leading Seaman, I see,” says Ishii. “It seems you have done well. Well, I am happy to…” He pauses, staring at Shun’s face. The big sailor has an obvious black eye and the whole orbit of the affected eye is covered with a shiny substance. “What is that around your eye, Seaman Shun?”

“It is eel grease, sir,” says Shun promptly.

“Eel grease?”

“Yes sir. It’s an old island cure, sir. It eases swelling and bruises. It is good for wounds, too, sir.”

“I see,” says Ishii. “Eel grease, I will remember that. May I ask how you came by the black eye?”

Shun looks just a little uncomfortable. “I was ashore last night, sir,” he says. “A crewman aboard another ship was making fun of Tatsuta and speaking slightingly of Captain Ichimura. I took offense, sir.”

“I guess you haven’t changed completely,” says Ishii dryly. “But you let him get a punch in, Shun. I am surprised at you.”

“He had five friends who decided to join in, sir,” says Shun. His lips twitch slightly in what might be a smile. “And sir, I promise that they all look worse today than I do.”

Ishii laughs. “I imagine they do,” he says, then becomes more serious. “Though I do not think that brawling is the best way to represent your ship, Seaman Shun.”

“No sir,” says Shun.

“Well, I’ve kept you from your duties long enough,” Ishii says. “No doubt we will have a chance to talk further some other time.”

“Sir,” says Shun, snapping another salute. He returns to work as Ishii walks away.

Ishii has often wondered what happened to Shun after the two of them left Hier, both a bit wealthier than when they boarded. He never expected to run into him here, of all places. Serving with the man should prove interesting, he thinks.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/29/2008 3:08:26 PM   
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“It’s been a long time,” Ishii continues. “When did you join the navy? I frankly didn’t think you were the type.”

“It was an…impulse decision, sir,” says Shun.


Heh . . . excellent writing as always -- well in character for both Ishii and Shun.

Concerning liver on Thanksgiving, there actually is a Japanese holiday now called "Labor Thanksgiving Day", celebrated not too far away from the American Thanksgiving. But I think it had a different name during WWII.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/30/2008 9:02:40 PM   
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October 5, 1944

Location: Tokyo
Course: None
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: Await further orders

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After several hours spent ashore trying to get a message to and a reply from Kanazawa Lieutenant Miharu finally returns to Hibiki.

“What is the news, Exec?” Captain Ishii asks after he comes aboard.

“No news yet, sir,” says the lieutenant. “It may be a week or two, it seems.” He conceals his worry fairly well, but not well enough to deceive Ishii.

“Try to relax,” says Ishii. “Women have been doing this for a long time.”

“I know, sir,” says Miharu. “Since we are back in Tokyo I’m beginning to hope that one of my worst fears will not come to pass, at any rate.”

“What fear is that?” asks Ishii.

“That I will be killed before my child is born,” says the lieutenant.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 11/30/2008 9:03:24 PM   
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October 6, 1944

Location: Tokyo
Course: None
Attached to: TF 27
Mission: Surface Combat
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: Await further orders

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Word reaches Tokyo of another heavy bombing raid against Iwo Jima. There are now few who doubt that the bleak, volcanic island will be the next target of the Allies. Aboard the ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy there is a tense and watchful atmosphere. The crews know that the Allied invasion there will touch off what may be the greatest naval battle of the war.

The only real question left, other than the crucial one of whether or not the island can be successfully defended, is the one of time. When will the invasion come? It is not only a matter of having to wait. Japan needs time, time to build up and train air groups, time to repair damaged ships, time to build up supplies on the island. Unfortunately for them the matter is entirely out of their hands. The answer is for the enemy to decide.


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