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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 12:58:32 AM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		I surely have bitched around a lot in my 4700+ posts in the last four years but I guess I have never posted something like this:

couple of people that were involved in the design of this game are complete IDIOTS...

wonīt give much comments on this turn, as it just makes me more or less speechles...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/18/42

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Sub attack near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-22

Allied Ships
AK West Portal, Torpedo hits 1
MSW Ungava
MSW Bellechasse
DD Sands
DD Lawrence
AK Sage Brush
AP Republic

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 3 destroyed

92 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Revenge, Shell hits 20
CL Mauritius
CL Hobart, Shell hits 8
CL Perth, Shell hits 25
CL Achilles
CL Leander
CA Cornwall
CA Dorsetshire
CA Australia
CL Emerald
CL Enterprise
BB Ramilles
BB Royal Sovereign

Japanese ground losses:
3999 casualties reported
Guns lost 31

Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 213
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99

Allied Ships
CA Salt Lake City
CA Indianapolis
CA Portland
BB Mississippi
BB West Virginia
BB Maryland

Japanese ground losses:
2770 casualties reported
Guns lost 24

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 138
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 3

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99

Allied Ships
CA Chester
CA Houston
CA Northampton
BB Arizona
BB Oklahoma
BB Nevada

Japanese ground losses:
1690 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 66

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99

Allied Ships
CA Minneapolis
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
BB New Mexico
BB Tennessee
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
1228 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 158
Port hits 2

why even playing this stupid game? I donīt know how often people posted that only the IJN seems to be able to do nukes in this "game" and I donīt know how often I posted that the Allied can do it even more... well, if this turn doesnīt prove it... 100% sure Miller will do this with every fu ck ing island on the map as he just uses his 50 Kingfishers the day before and then nukes HAHAHA the bases...

itīs a bad fu ck in g joke... level 8 forts... hahaha my support units are 100% wiped out... lost nearly 10.000 troops to the nuke bombardments alone...

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1034
TF 1034 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Marblehead


Allied ground losses:
398 casualties reported

of course we canīt shoot back anymore...

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1034
TF 1034 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
419 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1036
TF 1036 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99



Allied ground losses:
485 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1041
TF 1041 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
481 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1042
TF 1042 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Concord


Allied ground losses:
592 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1051
TF 1051 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
367 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
B5N Kate x 31

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 108
B5N Kate x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 69
Ki-49 Helen x 62
Ki-15 Babs x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 58
Port hits 13
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st DAF Base Force, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 23

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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ASW attack near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-22

Allied Ships
MSW Ungava
MSW Bellechasse
DD Sands
DD Lawrence
CL Marblehead
AK Sawokla
AK Sage Brush
AP Bloemfontrin

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ASW attack near Tarakan at 33,61

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze
DD Yukaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Akikaze
DD Sawakaze
DD Minekaze

Allied Ships
SS S-45

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ASW attack near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-22, hits 2

Allied Ships
MSW Kingfisher
MSW Outarde
MSW Quatsino
DD Crane


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13688 troops, 104 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 466

Defending force 25258 troops, 360 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 1005



Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Medan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3144 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Defending force 3219 troops, 10 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 73



Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8009 troops, 281 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2983

Defending force 47664 troops, 389 guns, 248 vehicles, Assault Value = 1076



Allied ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 23359 troops, 350 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 1005

Defending force 21884 troops, 111 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 466

Allied max assault: 882 - adjusted assault: 276

Japanese max defense: 414 - adjusted defense: 410

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
2241 casualties reported
Guns lost 27

Allied ground losses:
1529 casualties reported
Guns lost 22
Vehicles lost 10

what a crappy joke. Those three divisions that came ashore at Midway now come ashore at Canton, just how long later? They arenīt even 100% prepped and they wonīt have ANY problem to take the base. We will again lose 20.000+ troops just because the nuke bombardments take out 10.000 of my troops during the night before the assault... and then this attack! we lose the complete nav guard unit that is in the lead... atoll assault and the enemy once again takes no damage at all... we have 500 assault points, level 8 forts, 20.000 supplies and nearly 70 CD guns...

why keep on playing?

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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 9:59:12 AM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		This is how my units look like. 10.000 troops wiped out during the night, which is 100% of my support units and 50% of my total strenght on the atoll. Ridicoulos enough that you can build level 8 forts on this place, is negated by the ridicoulos fact that level 8 forts donīt help at all. I know both the ridicoulos fort building and the even more ridicoulos nuke bombardment will be changed in AE but when it is the norm in this campaign and not the exception that the enemy can land like at empty bases then I will have to stop playing this WITP campaign because thereīs no sense keep it going on.

With the use of 50 Kingfishers to recon the base the day before the bombardments, Miller definetely knows how to enable him to do nukes EVERYTIME. lol




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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 1:39:04 PM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		Itīs been 12 hours ago that those nukes destroyed my base on Canton Island but Iīm still pissed off. And even though we have had a real success this turn, my mood doesnīt change...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/19/42

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TF 38 troops unloading over beach at Medan, 20,45


Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1034
TF 1034 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
191 casualties reported

as you can see, the enemy TFs are still unloading. Once again, IMO this is a very poorly performed atoll assault, but the nukes have saved Millerīs day...

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1036
TF 1036 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


28 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AP President Monroe
AP Van Cloon
DD Alden
AP Empire Pride


Allied ground losses:
313 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1041
TF 1041 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


16 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AP President Garfield, Shell hits 1
MSW Bobolink, Shell hits 1
AP President Polk


Allied ground losses:
303 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1042
TF 1042 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Robin
CL Concord


Allied ground losses:
361 casualties reported

itīs just like as if those troops would land at an empty base...

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Sub attack near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-29

Allied Ships
AK West Nilus
MSW Nipigon
DD Schley
DD Brooks
DD Hatfield
DD Kane
AP Wanganella
AP Meigs

6 torps missed West Nilus...

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Sub attack near Palmyra at 106,85

Japanese Ships
SS I-175

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD McCall

Saratoga took two torps from my torpedo bombers and she was going directly to Palmyra where I-175 was waiting for the heavily damaged carrier. Miller now pays for not having an adequate escort and two out of the four fired torps slammed into the doomed ship! Saratoga must have been finished at this point! BANZAI! BANZAI! BANZAI!

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99

Allied Ships
DD Le Triomphant
CL Mauritius
CL Hobart
CL Perth
CL Achilles
CL Leander
CA Cornwall
CA Dorsetshire
CA Australia

Japanese ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 12

lol! No more nuke? No wonder, all my support troops are already finished!

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1034
TF 1034 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DD King


Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1036
TF 1036 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99



Allied ground losses:
291 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1041
TF 1041 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99


10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
CL Raleigh


Allied ground losses:
132 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Canton Island, 98,99, firing at TF 1042
TF 1042 troops unloading over beach at Canton Island, 98,99



Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported

this is already the fourth phase that the enemy TFs are unloading! Canīt believe that Miller again brought far too few ships for his troops unloading at an atoll... The Midway landing and his nuke bombardments make him pretty confident. And itīs certified to be confident, canīt see much hope for my troops at Canton...

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TF 1058 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

Allied Ships
AO Tippecanoe, Mine hits 1, on fire

hopefully the ship is full of fuel, could be in trouble then...

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Sub attack near Palmyra at 106,85

Japanese Ships
SS I-175

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD McCall

I-175 attacks again with a salvo of four torps and the US carrier is again stricken by two torpedoes which cause the carrier to sink with all hands down. The second US fleet carrier of the war is confirmed SUNK! And Lexington is limping heavily damaged back to Palmyra also and she was the one that took three torpedoes during the Japanese air attacks, so I had given Saratoga more chances to survive...

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Sub attack near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-29, hits 8, on fire

Allied Ships
AK Kentuckian, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Californian
MSW Ungava
MSW Bellechasse
DD Sands
DD Lawrence
AK Sage Brush

we sink a big AK but in return I-29 takes heavy damage from the escorting MSW with an ASW value of 4. I-29 will pick up some troops and will head home...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 108
B5N Kate x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-49 Helen x 63
Ki-15 Babs x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 96
Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st DAF Base Force, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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ASW attack near Palmyra at 106,85

Japanese Ships
SS I-175, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Blue
DD Helm
DD Mugford
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Henley
DD Patterson

an ASW TF also shows up at Palmyra and the heroic I-175 takes 3 near misses... Will move the sub out of the hex, there will be a lot of enemy ships coming in next turn as all those ships from the bombardment TFs are heading towards Palmyra to rearm and refuel and probably RENUKE Canton...

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Ground combat at Medan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3168 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 140

Defending force 3241 troops, 8 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 72



Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7965 troops, 277 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2983

Defending force 47566 troops, 383 guns, 251 vehicles, Assault Value = 1070



Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9525 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 325

Defending force 44759 troops, 493 guns, 176 vehicles, Assault Value = 930



Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 41378 troops, 472 guns, 169 vehicles, Assault Value = 924

Defending force 18869 troops, 74 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 325

Allied max assault: 1008 - adjusted assault: 385

Japanese max defense: 278 - adjusted defense: 403

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
472 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
2495 casualties reported
Guns lost 85
Vehicles lost 19

this time the Allied attackers get a bloody nose but I doubt the base will hold. Miller has brought no dedicated combat eng units so the forts seem to be his main problem at the moment. Still, the three divisions will be too much for the defenders I guess. We are now trying to reinforce the island asap with all possibilities we have. Once again Miller came too early with too much force. We are building up both Pago Pago and Baker but both airfields are only level 2 at the moment, so there wonīt be any air support for Canton. The plan was to have those three bases support each other when the Allied attack goes in, but just like at Midway, the Allied attacked too early for our defense.

And still, when I concentrate on my main tactic to inflict serious losses on the attacker then I have to be satisfied. We didnīt wreck havoc on the invasion, but we have one US fleet carrier confirmed sunk and another one limping back seriously damaged and in danger of sinking also. Thereīs only one US CV left operational at the moment so I just have to be satisfied. The downside is that if Canton falls, then my positions in the South Pacific are impossible to hold and have to be abandoned. With only the British carriers and one US carrier in the Pacific, I am now sure that Miller wonīt attack into the area around Baker, nor at Wake. But hey, I also was sure not to see him attacking when he lost Enterprise near Wake.

We will see...

The loss of Saratoga resulted in quite high air losses today also...




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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 1:47:25 PM   
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this is already the fourth phase that the enemy TFs are unloading! Canīt believe that Miller again brought far too few ships for his troops unloading at an atoll... The Midway landing and his nuke bombardments make him pretty confident. And itīs certified to be confident, canīt see much hope for my troops at Canton...


and if he would use multiple smaller TFs you would accuse him of violating one of your trillion hauserules.....


dropping out


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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 1:51:03 PM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		Tokyo news announces the sinking of US fleet carrier Saratoga by I-175 near the Pacific atoll Palmyra! Japanese naval forces once again prove to rule the sea and once again the American imperialists have suffered a serious loss! BANZAI! BANZAI! BANZAI!


USS Saratoga (CV-3, Originally CC-3), 1927-1946

USS Saratoga, a 33,000-ton aircraft carrier, was converted from the battle cruiser Saratoga (CC-3) while under construction at Camden, New Jersey. Commissioned in November 1927, as the second of the Navy's initial pair of fully capable aircraft carriers, Saratoga spent the years before World War II taking part in exercises, training aviators and generally contributing to the development of carrier techniques and doctrine. She was in the Pacific when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 and took part in the abortive Wake Island relief expedition later in that month. While operating in the Hawaiian area on 11 January 1942, she was struck by a torpedo from a Japanese submarine, necessitating several months of repairs, during which her eight-inch guns were replaced by the more useful 5"/38 dual purpose type.

Saratoga returned to action in June 1942, in time for reinforcement operations immediately following the Battle of Midway. She was next engaged in supporting the Guadalcanal Operation in August 1942, including participation in the Battle of the Eastern Solomons. Another enemy submarine torpedo hit on 31 August put her in the repair yard for two months.

The carrier was back in the South Pacific war zone in December 1942, spending the next year in that area. In November 1943, her planes made devastating raids on the Japanese base at Rabaul and supported the Gilberts operation later in the month. In January and February 1944 Saratoga took part in the invasion of the Marshall Islands. She then was sent to join the British Eastern Fleet in the Indian Ocean and participated in raids on Japanese positions in the East Indies during April and May 1944. An overhaul from June to September prepared her for employment training aviators for night operations. In February 1945, she carried night fighters during the Iwo Jima invasion and raids on the Japanese home islands. Several Kamikaze suicide plane hits on 21 February caused serious damage and casualties, sending her back to the U.S. for another session in the shipyard.

Saratoga returned to service in May, again taking on a training role that lasted until Japan's surrender. Beginning in September 1945, she transported servicemen from the Pacific back to the United States as part of Operation "Magic Carpet". Too old for retention in the post-war fleet, Saratoga was then assigned to target duty for the atomic bomb tests at Bikini, in the Marshall Islands. She survived the first blast, on 1 July 1946, but sank after the 25 July underwater test. USS Saratoga still lies beneath the waters of Bikini atoll, where she is occasionally visited by divers.






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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 1:51:29 PM   
castor troy


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ORIGINAL: swift

dropping in........

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this is already the fourth phase that the enemy TFs are unloading! Canīt believe that Miller again brought far too few ships for his troops unloading at an atoll... The Midway landing and his nuke bombardments make him pretty confident. And itīs certified to be confident, canīt see much hope for my troops at Canton...


and if he would use multiple smaller TFs you would accuse him of violating one of your trillion hauserules.....


dropping out



you still donīt get it... lol, why should you, when you use 49 x 5 ship TFs to do a landing... and the winner is: the one whoīs able to exploit the game engine the most... lol

good bye

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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 2:12:10 PM   
bigbaba


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Status: offline 		hi chris..and sorry about this nuke bombardements. but at least, you got 2 more US flattops.....what about a new HR in your game?

bombardement Tf can consist a maximum of 2 BB and 3 CA...rest must be DD.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 2:37:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everyone who has played this game for some time knows about the "nuke bombardments." It will help the Allies in the end as they have a lot more BBs by mid-42. You look at the negative side of this situation.

Right now with the lost of his second CV, I would be planning to invade the Line Islands and/or Johnson. Then come back for Canton. Any troops he has on them are now lost to any counterattack. Canton Island is indefensible and cut off from resupply efforts without control of the surrounding oceans. That's why as an Allied player I don't try to reinforce it heavily. You can push him back to Hawaii and prevent any counter invasions until late 43 with the lose of his CVs. Go get him!!

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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 3:04:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bigbaba

hi chris..and sorry about this nuke bombardements. but at least, you got 2 more US flattops.....what about a new HR in your game?

bombardement Tf can consist a maximum of 2 BB and 3 CA...rest must be DD.




no thereīs no need for a new hr as also 2 BB and 3 CA are easily enough to nuke a base. It all comes down to the detection level and Miller knows this as good as I do, thatīs why we have seen 50+ Kingfisher recon missions during the day before the nukes. The only thing that helps is the fact not to put any support units like base forces, AA units or eng units onto an island. This of course wonīt help you either.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 3:09:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Everyone who has played this game for some time knows about the "nuke bombardments." It will help the Allies in the end as they have a lot more BBs by mid-42. You look at the negative side of this situation.

Right now with the lost of his second CV, I would be planning to invade the Line Islands and/or Johnson. Then come back for Canton. Any troops he has on them are now lost to any counterattack. Canton Island is indefensible and cut off from resupply efforts without control of the surrounding oceans. That's why as an Allied player I don't try to reinforce it heavily. You can push him back to Hawaii and prevent any counter invasions until late 43 with the lose of his CVs. Go get him!!



you are correct. At the moment it is pretty much a draw when it comes down to ground warfare on the atoll, but Iīm sure that the enemy will gain strenght soon after having rested a couple of days. Primary goal now is not to lose Canton and bring my carriers into position. Then Baker has to be built up to level 4 (itīs only 2 and 78% at the moment) and the airfield on Canton has to be repaired (it repairs at a rate of 3% at the moment).

then I can think about everything else...

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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 3:51:59 PM   
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TF 1012 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

Allied Ships
DD Bagley

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TF 1031 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

Allied Ships
DD Jupiter
DD Nestor

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TF 1025 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

Allied Ships
DMS Wasmuth
DMS Southard

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TF 1064 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

Allied Ships
DMS Elliot
DMS Dorsey
DMS Lamberton
DD Selfridge, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD MacDonough

as you can see, a lot of enemy TFs are returning to Palmyra. All mines were swept away but the last mine hit DD Selfridge...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 108
B5N Kate x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-49 Helen x 59
Ki-15 Babs x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 115
Port hits 12
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st DAF Base Force, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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Sub attack at 29,66

Japanese Ships
AK Takamisan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS S-46

South of Borneo one of our resource AKs is hit. Medium damage, the ship should make it...

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Ground combat at Medan

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4532 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 140

Defending force 3263 troops, 9 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 72

Japanese max assault: 133 - adjusted assault: 79

Allied max defense: 60 - adjusted defense: 34

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Medan base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
1078 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

with luck, we take Medan...

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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7981 troops, 278 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2980

Defending force 47512 troops, 379 guns, 251 vehicles, Assault Value = 1068



Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


no Allied attack at Canton today. We were able to lift in 14 assault points with Emilies and Mavisī from Baker. A bit more will be flown in from Tarawa starting from tomorrow, so with each day we should be able to lift in some 30-35 assault points. We have also a CL/DD TF in the area now, will be used as fast transport TF, lift capability is 1500. The TF will lift in a mixed bgd from Tarawa. The most important thing would be to repair the airbase on Canton though, not doable with only three dozen intact eng squads remaining.



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RE: it goes on... - 12/14/2008 4:38:05 PM   
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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
B5N Kate x 31

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bali , at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 87
Ki-49 Helen x 27

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet
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Sub attack near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-174, hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
AK Mormaclark, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sands
DD Lawrence
DD Hatfield
DD Kane

a transport TF is returning to Canton. We heavily damage a big AK but also the sub suffered 3 near misses and a hit. Donīt know what is going on now, something makes me think that Miller wonīt try to capture Canton Island but to withdraw his forces. But he only moved one transport TF back, the others are moving NE towards Palmyra. He stated in his email that heīs not happy about forts level 8 as he only had expected level 2 or 3. Iīm uncertain what will happen next.

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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7941 troops, 278 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2980

Defending force 47640 troops, 379 guns, 254 vehicles, Assault Value = 1070



Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Guns lost 2



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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 7:07:15 AM   
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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 7:31:26 AM   
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You could very well mangle 3 divisions.....

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 7:37:37 AM   
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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 9:39:15 AM   
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I don't think it is possible to "nuke" troops sitting outside of a base though.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 9:42:44 AM   
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How unfortunate that KB wasn't nearby...



yeah, that would have been fun. But what is great is the fact that I have sunk already two US fleet CVs (and heavily damaged another) with LBA attacks only! Iīm not really willing to send KB against enemy carriers as this would also result in Japanese carriers lost as we have the stacking limit of 450 carrier based ac/hex and there is no uber Cap shield in Nikmod anyway. So Iīm happy that my LBA can do some damage. Will be much harder when the Hellcats will arrive. My LBA didnīt have much problems at Wake and Canton but you may not forget that at Wake the enemy carrier TFs were separated and at Canton there werenīt 4 US CVs but British CV support. And both times there wasnīt the full 36 fighter contingent with Wildcats but 27/carrier with useless Marine Buffalos as backup.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 9:44:21 AM   
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Well if you do manage to hold at Canton (and lets face it, without CVs, his position becomes much harder....)
You could very well mangle 3 divisions.....



would be fun to destroy two Army and a USMC division, more news later...

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 9:47:50 AM   
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Is there anyway you can move in enough surface ships/KB to stop the nuking? Or at least nuke his troops back?





at the moment there are no surface combat ships nor KB in the area to stop more nukes, but Iīm pretty sure there wonīt be any more. And Canton is so far away from a major Japanese port that Iīm not really willing to send in BBs to stop the bombardments as Iīm sure I would take damage also and Japanese damage control is... well, we all know how Japanese damage control looks like. Canton isnīt worth it to risk major ships. Area around Tarawa would be worth it...

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 9:48:11 AM   
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Ouch. That has got to hurt.

I don't think it is possible to "nuke" troops sitting outside of a base though.



believe me, it did hurt...

itīs far harder (if not impossible) to nuke troops outside of a base as you donīt raise the detection level of the whole base including the troops there. And the nukes only work against support troops and not at all against inf or tk units, so any Japanese bombardments on the attackers wouldnīt do much damage, not at all comparable to the nukes my troops had to sustain.

These were the worst bombardments I have seen on an atoll in my career playing WITP. Miller knows the game very well, thatīs why he ordered those 50+ Kingfisher recon missions... but this will also mean bad news for future as Iīm sure he will do that EVERY time in future. Even if I would knock out a lot of his ships, one bombardment TF is enough, as you can see, the first bombardement TF already did 4000 casualties and damaged the base 500%...

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 10:03:32 AM   
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ASW attack at 99,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
DD Lawrence
DD Sands
DD Hatfield
DD Kane

those four flush deckers are the escort of a transport TF... I-10 evaded all atacks...

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ASW attack at 99,99

Japanese Ships
SS I-10, hits 5

Allied Ships
DD Lawrence
AK Silksworth
DD Sands
DD Hatfield
DD Kane
AK Manukai
AK Manulani

I-10 is out of action for the next months. 4 near misses and a real hit...

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Sub attack at 100,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-17

Allied Ships
AK Manukai, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Lawrence
DD Sands
DD King
DD Hatfield
DD Kane
AK Prusa
AK Regulus
AK Malama


Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported

but I-17 scores! Troop loaden AK?? Is Miller evacuating his troops from Canton???

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Day Air attack on Bali , at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 88
Ki-49 Helen x 25

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 108
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-49 Helen x 63
Ki-15 Babs x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 88
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari Garrison Battalion, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Lautem at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 7
Brewster 339D x 14
T.IVa x 7
Hudson I x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 5 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged
T.IVa: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 6
AK Hitora Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Genmei Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Wuhu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Taga Maru
AK Teikin Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet

ouch! We took down 16 enemy aircraft but we will lose two of the small AKs... not something I like. A very poorly performed supply mission to Lautern. I have a level 3 airfield there already and I knew the TF was going in. I also knew that there are some 50-70 enemy bombers at Darwin and I knew that 40 fighters canīt stop them at all. Well I know that 100 canīt either, but it would have been so costly then, that it wouldnīt be worth for the Allied to attack again. I have enough fighters available so it shouldnīt have been a problem to put up a decent Cap. Problem is also that we never manage to scramble more than 50-55% of our fighters. Thatīs especially a problem during airfield attacks as the bombers will always torch around 40% of your fighters because they stay grounded.

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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 811 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 380

Defending force 5377 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 24


Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

VICTORY!!!! As you can see, Miller has abandoned the beaches at Canton Island!!!! 5.000+ troops are left behind. Looks like my level 8 forts really scared him, my attempts to fly in reinforcements didnīt encourage him either, at least this is what he stated in his email. Iīm amazed as Iīm sure that a couple of deliberate attacks would have worn down my troops pretty fast.

I really canīt believe it! So the Allied attempt to take Canton Island was a failure and Miller paid with one CV lost and another one heavily damaged. Great!



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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7971 troops, 277 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2979

Defending force 47591 troops, 382 guns, 252 vehicles, Assault Value = 1060



Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported



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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 10:06:59 AM   
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ASW attack at 80,81

Japanese Ships
PC Sonan Maru #6
PC Sonan Maru #5
PC Nichi Maru #1
PC Kyo Maru #7
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
PC Fumi Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS S-18

near Kwajalein, two enemy subs are sitting South East of the atoll...

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Sub attack at 34,76

Japanese Ships
AK Wuhu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gar

MK14 kills one of the damaged AKs that left Lautern... I will lose three AKs, not good...

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Sub attack at 103,92

Japanese Ships
SS I-172

Allied Ships
AK Mormacgull, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Lawrence
DD Sands
DD Hatfield
DD Kane

but we strike back in the Pacific. Transport TF that is going from Canton to Palmyra loses another ship...

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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Bali , at 24,68

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 84
Ki-49 Helen x 25

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F.K.51: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 59

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
Ki-27 Nate x 129
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 102
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 36
Ki-15 Babs x 5

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 111
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on 1st DAF Base Force, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,76


Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hitora Maru, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet

Miller moved a couple of bombers to Koepang again. We will attack this base soon...

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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7921 troops, 272 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2979

Defending force 47967 troops, 396 guns, 258 vehicles, Assault Value = 1064



Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11938 troops, 106 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 394

Defending force 5445 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Japanese max assault: 302 - adjusted assault: 335

Allied max defense: 21 - adjusted defense: 24

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
389 casualties reported
Guns lost 15

Allied ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

we are now trying to kill off the stranded Allied troops on Canton. Unfortunately this will cost us more casualties than the Allied in the end. Will be interesting how long it will take until those troops will surrender.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 11:07:39 AM   
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How unfortunate that KB wasn't nearby...



yeah, that would have been fun. But what is great is the fact that I have sunk already two US fleet CVs (and heavily damaged another) with LBA attacks only! Iīm not really willing to send KB against enemy carriers as this would also result in Japanese carriers lost as we have the stacking limit of 450 carrier based ac/hex and there is no uber Cap shield in Nikmod anyway. So Iīm happy that my LBA can do some damage. Will be much harder when the Hellcats will arrive. My LBA didnīt have much problems at Wake and Canton but you may not forget that at Wake the enemy carrier TFs were separated and at Canton there werenīt 4 US CVs but British CV support. And both times there wasnīt the full 36 fighter contingent with Wildcats but 27/carrier with useless Marine Buffalos as backup.

I was thinking more about ambushing his transports than fighting his remaining CVs. Losing three full divisions is bad already, but it's worse when those are the best of the available divs.
And catching all those big guns while at sea would be a better way to prevent the nuke bombardments.


I was surprised by the appearance of so many Buffaloes. I would have thought that by April, all those squadrons would have converted to F4F. Does the Nikmod reduce the replacement rate for the Wildcats ?

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RE: it goes on... - 12/15/2008 12:06:07 PM   
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How unfortunate that KB wasn't nearby...



yeah, that would have been fun. But what is great is the fact that I have sunk already two US fleet CVs (and heavily damaged another) with LBA attacks only! Iīm not really willing to send KB against enemy carriers as this would also result in Japanese carriers lost as we have the stacking limit of 450 carrier based ac/hex and there is no uber Cap shield in Nikmod anyway. So Iīm happy that my LBA can do some damage. Will be much harder when the Hellcats will arrive. My LBA didnīt have much problems at Wake and Canton but you may not forget that at Wake the enemy carrier TFs were separated and at Canton there werenīt 4 US CVs but British CV support. And both times there wasnīt the full 36 fighter contingent with Wildcats but 27/carrier with useless Marine Buffalos as backup.

I was thinking more about ambushing his transports than fighting his remaining CVs. Losing three full divisions is bad already, but it's worse when those are the best of the available divs.
And catching all those big guns while at sea would be a better way to prevent the nuke bombardments.


I was surprised by the appearance of so many Buffaloes. I would have thought that by April, all those squadrons would have converted to F4F. Does the Nikmod reduce the replacement rate for the Wildcats ?


The transports have gone already and I doubt that the battlewaggons will be back for a bombardment. And if they come, they will face Betty strikes as by then the islandīs airfield will be operational again.

Iīm sure that Miller could have upgraded at least one of his Marine squadrons on the carriers to F4F-3, not enough to upgrade all of them to F4F-4 already. If he would have downgraded his land based F4F-3 he surely would have had enough aircraft to have only F4F-3 and F4 on his carriers, but the Marine squadrons would still be only in the mid 50 exp so they are nowhere as good as the 80+ exp Navy squadrons that start out on the carriers.

As it is now, I donīt expect to see any Allied attempts in the Pacific for the next 6-10 months. With Wasp being available in May IIRC he will only have two operational US CVs and the two or three British carriers are not that an impressing threat. Millerīs move on Midway was a great success, his raid on Wake was a mistake and Canton Island tops this off. Midway was excellent, the rest was kind of too early, too far. This means now that he has pretty much crippled his offensive capability and this will give me ample time to build up my strongholds in the Pacific. Would he has succeeded at Canton I would be in trouble as he could keep moving then as I wouldnīt be able to build up bases to support each other. Now I have the time to build up Baker, Tarawa, Apamama, Makin....



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RE: it goes on... - 12/16/2008 10:49:03 AM   
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Sub attack at 104,90

Japanese Ships
SS I-153

Allied Ships
AK Donald McKay
AK Regulus
DD Kane
DD Hatfield
DD Lawrence
DD Sands

torps missed the big AK, a pity considering that the ship is full of troops from Canton Island... at least the enemy DDs also failed to locate our sub...

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Sub attack at 104,89

Japanese Ships
SS I-172

Allied Ships
AK Makena, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Manulani
DD Kane
DD Hatfield
DD Lawrence
DD Sands


Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported

we get another chance and this time a torp hits. Would have liked two hits to see the AK go down soon, with only one hit the ship will surely make Palmyra to unload the troops.

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Sub attack at 34,74

Japanese Ships
AK Wuhu Maru, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gar

torps missed... ship will go down nevertheless...

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Sub attack at 104,90

Japanese Ships
SS I-153

Allied Ships
AK Mormacgull, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Already damaged Mormacgull took another torp and sinks...

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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 55

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 81
G4M1 Betty x 25
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 105
Ki-15 Babs x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 118
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari Garrison Battalion, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet

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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7891 troops, 269 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2976

Defending force 47848 troops, 391 guns, 256 vehicles, Assault Value = 1061



Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19919 troops, 166 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 435

Defending force 5417 troops, 60 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Japanese max assault: 256 - adjusted assault: 199

Allied max defense: 25 - adjusted defense: 26

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
763 casualties reported
Guns lost 12

Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1

looks like itīs suicide for my troops to attack the stranded troops on Canton. They only got 25 assault value but seem to be killers... I will only keep bombarding them for the next months. Any attempt to bring them out will have to face Betty strikes...

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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 163356 troops, 1511 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4742

Defending force 119576 troops, 1309 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 2494


Japanese ground losses:
264 casualties reported
Guns lost 13



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RE: it goes on... - 12/17/2008 12:55:24 PM   
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ASW attack at 106,86

Japanese Ships
SS I-30, hits 2

Allied Ships
AK Prusa
AK Morazan
DD Kane
DD Hatfield
DD Lawrence
DD Sands


if you know the exact path a TF is going and you have a couple of subs on hand to be placed in the path of the convoy then you constantly get attacks. This is again an attack on the convoy that goes from Canton to Palmyra. Unfortunately the 6 torps missed the big AK but the DDs also only achieved 2 near misses. Only a couple of hexes left and the convoy will be at Palmyra so we wonīt have a lot more chances to attack.

Still no sign of Lexington being sunk. I guess sheīs disbanded at Palmyra (size 4 port) and she will probably make it. With the fuel storage explosion after three torp hits she will at least have a high sys damage (50 perhaps?) so we wonīt see her in combat within the next months.

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Sub attack at 106,86

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
AK West Portal, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

then I-30 kills the already damaged West Portal...

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Day Air attack on Kungchang , at 46,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 65
Ki-49 Helen x 88

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet

recon told us that there are some 40 enemy aircraft at Kungchang but none are destroyed on the ground. And the enemy fighters are no longer flying Cap as this just increases their losses...

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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Davao , at 41,61

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 16000 feet

Davao has a squadron of Hudsons that are flying naval search helping enemy subs locating our TFs. Have dispatched a daitai of Helens that will fly a couple of attacks. 16.000 ft is too high to achieve something, this was only a careful attack to check the enemyīs AA defenses...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 84
G4M1 Betty x 27
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 105
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 48
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on 1st DAF Base Force, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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TF 38 troops unloading over beach at Kuala, 20,43


Japanese ground losses:
160 casualties reported

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TF 47 troops unloading over beach at Green Island, 63,89


Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7807 troops, 267 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2977

Defending force 47737 troops, 389 guns, 257 vehicles, Assault Value = 1054



Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

our troops are still in red supply at Myitkina. They are starving, I canīt believe it... Seems not possible to bring supply forward from Mandalay (5 times more supplies there than needed).


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 21703 troops, 163 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 438

Defending force 5365 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

even with bombardment attacks alone we take casualties... guess starving those troops is no option as they probably have thousands if not ten thousands supply points. Guess Miller only evacuated most of his troops but no supply at all as he didnīt even have enough transports to evac all of his troops.

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Ground combat at Green Island

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 639 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 22 - adjusted assault: 24

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 24 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Green Island base !!!

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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 163429 troops, 1514 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4743

Defending force 119265 troops, 1298 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 2487


Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 38400 troops, 376 guns, 231 vehicles, Assault Value = 1051

Defending force 148389 troops, 1929 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 2977


Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

the enemy now starts bombardments also, doing more damage than we do. Without getting supplies to the front we wonīt be able to achieve anything, I must be happy if my divisions wonīt become disabled because the troops are starving...

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RE: it goes on... - 12/17/2008 4:29:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		In Canton, did your casualties result in destroyed squads, or only disabled ones.  I ask about your ground attacks, not the naval nukes.
If it's too costly to wipe them out, why not bomb them ?  A range 0 ground attack mission, pilot academy would be nice for training new classes.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/18/2008 8:19:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

In Canton, did your casualties result in destroyed squads, or only disabled ones.  I ask about your ground attacks, not the naval nukes.
If it's too costly to wipe them out, why not bomb them ?  A range 0 ground attack mission, pilot academy would be nice for training new classes.



mostly disabled, but when looking at the victory points, I lose 2-3 points every day (compared to 10-12 for the Allied which are starving on a couple of places). The Allied went through 8500 points for ground losses already, Iīm at 400 at the moment. I wonīt use aircraft to bomb the enemy on Canton as I want to have full offensive capability there if the enemy shows up again - which is highly doubtable. Canton is a level 4 airfield so I can have some 200 ac there, with 27 search aircraft we have max 170 strike aircraft, so not much room for a pilot training school.

I will just keep bombarding, hoping that at some point the 5000 enemy troops will be wiped out due to either my bombardments or supply shortage.

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RE: it goes on... - 12/18/2008 8:24:33 AM   
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TF 38 troops unloading over beach at Kuala, 20,43


Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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ASW attack near Kendari at 33,71

Japanese Ships
MSW Banshu Maru #18
MSW Wa 6
MSW Wa 3

Allied Ships
SS Gar, hits 1

those small MSW are surely no sub killers (which IJN vessel is at this stage? ) but one achieves a near miss...

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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 33

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 87
Ki-49 Helen x 27
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Do 24K-2: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 57

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet

guess our invasion TF will set sails for Koepang soon...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 88
G4M1 Betty x 51
Ki-27 Nate x 116
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 105
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 88
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on 1st DAF Base Force, at 33,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 20000 feet
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Sub attack near Kendari at 33,71

Japanese Ships
AK Wuhu Maru, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gar

Gar missed with 4 torps, Wuhu Maru will sink nevertheless...

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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7775 troops, 266 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2969

Defending force 47707 troops, 387 guns, 256 vehicles, Assault Value = 1052



Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19580 troops, 165 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 448

Defending force 5415 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

at this rate it will take us 300 days to destroy the enemy...

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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 163576 troops, 1503 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4762

Defending force 119248 troops, 1296 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 2482


Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 38327 troops, 371 guns, 231 vehicles, Assault Value = 1051

Defending force 148170 troops, 1921 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 2969


Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 2



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RE: it goes on... - 12/18/2008 8:27:28 AM   
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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Davao , at 41,61

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 9
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet

Davaoīs airfield has to be knocked out, the Hudsons on nav search there are annoying. There are four Allied units so I would need a division sized invasion to clear out this island and at the moment I have other plans...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 93
G4M1 Betty x 52
Ki-27 Nate x 117
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 105
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 134
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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ASW attack near Kendari at 33,71

Japanese Ships
MSW Banshu Maru #18
MSW Wa 6
MSW Wa 3

Allied Ships
SS Gar

Gar is still sitting at Kendari waiting to get another shot...

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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7690 troops, 261 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2967

Defending force 47649 troops, 388 guns, 254 vehicles, Assault Value = 1051



Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Canton Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 16531 troops, 158 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 463

Defending force 5415 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35


Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Myitkyina

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 38321 troops, 376 guns, 231 vehicles, Assault Value = 1049

Defending force 148106 troops, 1915 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 2967


Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 3



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