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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 7:46:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

p.s. what is a Korps Marcheausse ?


full name Korps Marechausse te voet is an elite infantry unit of KNIL. It was created to suppress the revolts in Aceh.
Trained for jungle fighting, their doctrine was search and destroy. Used brutal methods. Was very effective. Only the best regular infantrymen were allowed to join the Korps. A squad was up to 20 men strong, but by 1941 the veldbataljons on Java got first priority, so their strength had dropped to 15 men/squad. Most of the fighting in northern Sumatra was done by them.

Squad size was 15 men, 14 Rifles and 1 Thompson SMG OR 1 Schmeisser SMG OR 1 Madsen LMG.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 7:49:25 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 7:51:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

OK I will have a look I need to translate on the fly as we have a load of new bases on Java and Sumatra so I am redeploying as I write down.

p.s. I assume you are ok with me using your research - I need to modiify it to fit within parameters accross nations but I am adapting your stuff to be the new Dutch baseline.

I am slavishly rewriting whole sections of the Dutch OOB based on your data - it wont be an exact match but its a lot better than we had before !!!



Feel free to change as much as AE requires...

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 7:57:26 PM   
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Territorial Command Westkust Sumatra and Tapanoeli LTC J.H.M. Blogg

as of mid Januari '42

Padang/Emmahaven Garrison CPT J.W. Stemfoort
Padang:
2 Coys (regulars), one of these moved on to Fort de Kock in mid december.
1 Coy Stadswacht
Emmahaven:
1 Coy (regulars)
2 7,5cm CD guns
2 5in CD guns

Pakanbaroe Garrison MAJ C.F. Hazenberg
1 Coy (regulars) (from Padangpandjang, since mid december at Pakanbaroe)
1 Coy (regulars) (from Fort de Kock, since mid december at Pakanbaroe)
1 Coy european militia (originally from Padang, moved mid december to Padangpandjang, since mid januari at Pakanbaroe)
10 Vickers MMGs

Tapanoeli Garrison CPT J.C. Borgen
1 Coy (regulars)
6 squads at Padangsidempoean and Taroetong

Stadswacht/Landwacht Detachments, about 200 men





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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 8:36:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Harald I have redone Sumatra its not quite as you have it as there are some things I need to do slightly differently

OK nobody shop me to Joe I am not supposed to post screenshots without permission but given all the good research Harald has provided.....

I put them into a Regimental type structure it might be better as a Bde not 100% sure yet... this is still WIP

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 8:37:21 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 8:51:31 PM   
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Sumatra HQ is not in the actual game I just put it in to make it easier to sort the Sumatran based units only

All of these would be subordiante to KNIL Army Command on Java





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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 8:53:47 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 9:09:35 PM   
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I am starting the Tapanoeli Det. at Sawaloento is that a reasonable approx ?



Sibolga!

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 9:12:40 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 9:44:41 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/22/2008 10:36:52 PM   
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Von S... there is a crew of dedicated volunteers working hard on the AE expansion to WITP. They could have released it several months ago, but decided to work on creating a more viable AI so that everyone and not just the PBEM crowd would have a chance to enjoy the expansion.

It is going to be released. When is a good question, but it isn't going to be answered until the thing goes gold.

Whining about this and badgering the volunteers isn't going to make it arrive any sooner, so it is best to just go with the flow and buy it when it is finally released...



Hi bradfordkay

Thanks for the answer - nobody is trying to "whine" or "badger". I was trying to find out were "they" are in the process and not getting any meaningful response.

I will certainly buy it when it is released. Getting a "more viable AI" sounds good but... I have certainly never seen an AI worth the name. (Except a top shelf chess programme of course) I will stick to a reliable PBEM opponent any day.

Thanks again bradfordkay

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 12:29:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans
Renamed stock-base Bankha (fantasy-name?) as Pakanbaroe, because its connected with western sumatra by road. Removed oil/resources/manpower and the port facilities though.


Thanks. I have seen both "Pakanbaroe" and "Pekanbaroe" in use, but I am happy to use the name most often used by the Dutch in their sources.

quote:

Bankha could be Bengkalis, too.


I use the base "Tandjoengbalai" instead of "Bankha".

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But I doubt that todays oil facilities were present in the 1940s, they aren't mentioned in my sources and the KNIL defended every oil well....

There were oil wells at Djambi, so i moved the oil/resources/manpower there.


I didn't realise there was oil at Djambi? How big was the oil field there (compared to the other DEI fields)? I currently have oil at Palembang and Medan in Sumatra. Also - was there an oil refinery at Djambi as well? That is important in AE, refineries are represented.

Speaking of roads, I have had trouble finding good maps of the DEI showing contemporary road networks. I do have some, but they are US maps, not Dutch. I would be interested to know if there are any Dutch maps available online?

Thanks,
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 9:03:34 AM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 9:04:30 AM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 9:10:09 AM   
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I use the base "Tandjoengbalai" instead of "Bankha".



Tandjoengbalai is on my map, but had no garrison. Maybe Tandjoengtiram (slightly to the north) is better, the japanese invaded there on 420312. Or move it west, there was a naval base at Prapat (lake Toba).

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 9:21:14 AM   
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I didn't realise there was oil at Djambi? How big was the oil field there (compared to the other DEI fields)? I currently have oil at Palembang and Medan in Sumatra. Also - was there an oil refinery at Djambi as well? That is important in AE, refineries are represented.



objectives of the Djambi Garrison were

'guarding oil fields in the vicinity of Djambi/Moearatembesi'
'guarding landing area near Djambi'
'guarding landing area near Sarolangoen'

no oil refinery is mentionend!

Since the Djambi Garrison consists of 2 companies, the oil fields shall not be small, but I think smaller than Pangkalanbrandan/Pangkalansoesoe (near Medan). There was another oil field at Koeala Simpang (NE Sumatra). This one should be smaller than Djambi. I'm afraid I cannot give a better answer.



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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 9:28:09 AM   
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Speaking of roads, I have had trouble finding good maps of the DEI showing contemporary road networks. I do have some, but they are US maps, not Dutch. I would be interested to know if there are any Dutch maps available online?

Thanks,
Andrew



Online, I'm afraid not (or at least I found none!). I mainly use maps inside the books. Schotborgh/Hoogenband provide some nice maps, showing roads and such...

I'll visit (after X-mas) my local copy-shop, maybe they're able to scan those maps ...

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 9:31:11 AM   
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I'll provide OOBs for the 2nd division/1st division after X-mas.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/23/2008 12:25:03 PM   
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the map looks great (what about 2nd Garrison Bn at Kotaradja?)


I thought I had captured it

Sabang Base force has a mix of 12 Militia Sections
Sabang Bn has 38 regular Sections
Corps marcheuse has 60 regulars

I basically amalgamated 2nd Garrison and Sabang Det into a stonger Bn and stripped the extra Militia etc into the base force trying to minimise number of small units. So Sabang Bn is really a small Demi Bde

So its two Bn sized formations at Sabang and a base force with a small amount of militia rather than one overtstrengh Bn and two weak Bns and a base force

I suppose there is no harm in have two weaker Bn's as thats what is historically correct.

At 19 sections each my 'no more ants' phobia doesn't quite kick in they are probably big enough to be shown seperately

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:43:55 PM   
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as of february 28, 1942

4th Inf Regt / 2nd Mountain Artillery Bn were transfered to Groep Bandoeng (part of 1st Division) on 420222

Magelang:
Cavalry Lijfwacht CPT C. Lips
1st Pioneer Coy CPT L.F.J.W. Godijn
3rd Pioneer Coy CPT V. Bernaso
bty van Praag 3 7,5cm Lang 30 Field guns 1LT H.E.B. van Praag

Djokjakarta/Soerakarta/Gombong:
Groep Zuid COL P. Scholten
with: LH Inf XXI LTC B.C.D. Drejer
RH Inf XXI LTC A. Pik
Bataljon Mangkoe Negoro MAJ T. Dessauvagie
MG Coy CPT J.J. van der Waarde

The 3 companies Mangoe Negoro had only 75 men each, armed with klewang/carbine. LH XXI ha 1 european coy, 1 coy regulars (native), 1 coy Mangkoe Negoro. RH XXI 1 european coy and 2 companies Pakoe Alam. Only the european companies had LMGs. The MG coy had 12 Vickers MMGs and 6 80mm Mortars.

Pakoe Alam, Legioen Mangkoe Negoro, Barisan and Prajoda were 'hulpkorpsen' (= auxiliary corps), a special kind of short-term volunteers; Kort Verband.

Rembang:
4th Cavalry Squadron CPT S. de Boer

Tjilatajap:
Tjilatjap Detachment MAJ R.C. Soetbrood Piccardt, since 420301 LTC C.H. Statius Muller with:
1 javaneze coy regulars CPT L.F. de Groot
1 coy Kort Verband 1LT H.J. Schrader
MG/Mortar Detachment with 6 MG sections (12 Schwarzlose M14), 3 80mm mortar sections, 2 20mm ATRs
Reservekorps about 100 men OLT T. Lautenbach
Landstorm (ex-Poerwokerto) and Stadswacht about 75 men CPT J.J.G. Poell
coastal artillery 2 15cm Lang 40, 4 7,5cm Lang 55 CPT M.C. de Reede
mobile artillery 3 7,5cm Lang 30 Field guns CPT J.F. Dekker
AA guns 3 12.7mm AAMGs
Engineers: 1 platoon pioneers, 20 searchlights, technical servicemen
destruction corps: 2LT W. Wieske

Poerwokerto:
1 platoon Landstorm

Tegal:
1 platoon Stadswacht
2 platoons Landstorm
coastal artillery 2 7,5cm Lang 55, 2 7cm LA

Pekalongan:
1 platoon Stadswacht
2 platoons Landstorm
coastal artillery 3 7,5cm Lang 35, 3 7cm LA

Semarang:
Stadswacht about 500 men LTC A.M. Sierevelt
3 companies Landstorm
1 coy Reservekorps
coastal artillery 4 10,5cm Lang 35, 3 7,5cm Lang 55

Ambarawa:
1 platoon Reservekorps

Salatiga:
1 coy Reservekorps (under training)
Depot Cavalry LTC F.D. Fokkema about 120 men, 1 M3A1 White Scout Car

Tjepoe:
Tjepoe Detachment CPT P.C.J. Meijs with
Landstorm/Stadswacht about 100 men
2 platoons Korps Marechaussee
2 Overvalwagen
9 Pantserauto (South African Reconnaissance Car Mk III, also known as Marmon Herrington Armoured Car; 49 - stripped of their armament - of these were shipped to the DEI in feb '42. They were armed with two Vickers MMGs and named zuidafrikaanse Pantserautos)

Madioen:
Madioen Detachment LTC D. van Kempen with
1 coy Reservekorps
1 platoon Landstorm

Soerakarta:
Stadswacht
1 coy Landstorm

Djokjakarta:
2 companies Landstorm

Magelang:
1 platoon Reservekorps
2 platoons Landstorm






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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:45:21 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:46:00 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:46:48 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:47:35 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:48:22 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:50:58 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/27/2008 6:52:07 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/28/2008 7:08:19 PM   
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Groep Bandoeng MGEN J.J. Pesman

also in this area:
KNIL HQ
MLKNIL HQ

as of feb 28 1942

Bandoeng:
4th KNIL Infantry Rgt COL W.J. de Veer
Mobiele Eenheid CPT G.J. Wulfhorst
Landstorm, Stadswacht and Reservekorps Bandoeng
3rd AA Bn (Commander unknown)

Tjimahi:
2nd Field Artillery Bn LTC J. Claasen
section howitzers (2 10,5cm howitzers)

Tjirandjang:
2nd Mountain Artillery Bn LTC G.J. Reerink, since 25 feb '42 CPT P.E. Hendriksz

Kadipaten:
2nd Cavalry Squadron CPT W.J. Romswinckel

Coastal Detachment at Cheribon:
IV Infantry Bn LTC L. Vriesman (left behind when the 2nd KNIL Infantry Rgt moved to Buitenzorg and came under command of 4th Rgt 25 feb '42)
7th Mountain Bty CPT H.J. van der Linden

Andir:
12 12.7mm AAMG (detached from 1st KNIL Infantry Rgt)

Anti-Para units:
Bodjongloa:
2nd Infantry Depot (ex-Poerworedjo)
Tjimahi/Lembang:
3rd Infantry Depot (ex-Gombong)
Pengalengan:
9th Infantry Depot (native militia, ex-Magelan)
Dajeuhkolot/Boeahbatoe:
10th Infantry Depot (native militia, ex-Malang)
Lembang:
KMA-cadetten LTC H. van Altena (DEI 'West Point')
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/28/2008 7:09:03 PM   
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